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17-Year-Old Died After Attending Florida Church’s “COVID Party” Murdered by Mom?

dairyair said:
Yes, agenda news sites, RW or LW will always add non factual adjectives to their stories to flame the ill informed.
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And this works, sadly, because so many are so eager to believe the partisan worst. Sickening.
 
Eriech said:
They are all corrupt, editors in particular. It is not an art, it is evil.

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interesting word "corrupt". Rather a subjective call especially when making such sweeping declarations.
 
https://floridacovidaction.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/carsyn-leigh.pdf

Dang, the medical examiners report is interesting.

The mother was treating her prophylactically with azithromycin - so she was treated the day of the large church party. What was up with that? I guess related to her comorbidities.


What is very striking is that she is a nurse and when she took her daughters saturation (when she was "grey")it was in the 40%. Her parents took the time to give her hydroxychloroquine (they must have had it on hand!)before TAKING her to the hospital. No mention of 911.WTH? Then withholding intubation when they could not get her sat above 70% by the time they allowed intubation and ecmo...her organs were already failing.

I am really curious why and how they already had hydroxychloroquine on hand. She didn't even get the dose until she was half dead at home.

That report makes my head spin.

I repeat what I said before, the mother, when able, needs to get on every soap box and tell people why social distancing, masks, and hygiene measures are life saving. She needs to speak about the dangers of large gatherings where distancing and masks and hygiene measures are not likely to be consistent. Let her daughter's death help others from suffering the same fate.
 
nota bene said:
And this works, sadly, because so many are so eager to believe the partisan worst. Sickening.
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IMO, it's our 2 party system. As long as the people are enemies of each other, the elites in power can do as they please behind the curtain and no one will notice or care.
 
Jonsa said:
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Do you think the mom should be charged with murder or anything else?
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No. I know it makes us all feel better to point a finger and say I told you so, but it doesn't accomplish much. The family is grieving, they don't need any other reminders that a COVID Party was a bad idea.

Obviously the mother didn't want to kill her child so the only possible murder charge would be involuntary manslaughter. That requires negligence. Negligence requires a avoiding conformation to an established standard of conduct. What's that in Florida? Seriously. Her conduct falls easily within guidelines stated by both the President of the United States, the Governor of Florida, and her church. When your government is crazy, it's tough to point to an individual citizen and blame them for listening.

Some of us follow the COVID data religiously. Some of us have extensive backgrounds which allow us to make sense of complex information. That is not something we can or should expect from the general public. Without clear guidance these tragedies will happen over and over again. A controlled exposure to a disease is a rational way to control transmission. It's used worldwide. That was how you vaccinated before vaccines. Someone who lives in the conservative media bubble isn't going to know any better. But the church should have known better before hosting the event. They should be liable. They should have known that if they get 100 people sick with COVID, they're likely to have one or more deaths. And the people who are deliberately trafficking in misinformation should also be held liable.
 
Mithros said:
No. I know it makes us all feel better to point a finger and say I told you so, but it doesn't accomplish much. The family is grieving, they don't need any other reminders that a COVID Party was a bad idea.

Obviously the mother didn't want to kill her child so the only possible murder charge would be involuntary manslaughter. That requires negligence. Negligence requires a avoiding conformation to an established standard of conduct. What's that in Florida? Seriously. Her conduct falls easily within guidelines stated by both the President of the United States, the Governor of Florida, and her church. When your government is crazy, it's tough to point to an individual citizen and blame them for listening.

Some of us follow the COVID data religiously. Some of us have extensive backgrounds which allow us to make sense of complex information. That is not something we can or should expect from the general public. Without clear guidance these tragedies will happen over and over again. A controlled exposure to a disease is a rational way to control transmission. It's used worldwide. That was how you vaccinated before vaccines. Someone who lives in the conservative media bubble isn't going to know any better. But the church should have known better before hosting the event. They should be liable. They should have known that if they get 100 people sick with COVID, they're likely to have one or more deaths. And the people who are deliberately trafficking in misinformation should also be held liable.
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are you prepared to hold the president liable for the massive amounts of misinformation and DISinformation he deliberately spews in partisan defense of his fantastic, strong, and effective crisis management? I think his performance borders on the criminal in its incompetence.
 
Mycroft said:
yawn...

Okay. Whatever you say.

Moving on...
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If this little amount of thinking has you tired then you should look into it...
 
Jonsa said:
are you prepared to hold the president liable for the massive amounts of misinformation and DISinformation he deliberately spews in partisan defense of his fantastic, strong, and effective crisis management? I think his performance borders on the criminal in its incompetence.
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Would that I could....
 
Thoreau72 said:
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
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I asked you first. :) Do you support child abuse and neglect, yes or no? Simple question.
 
Jonsa said:
are you prepared to hold the president liable for the massive amounts of misinformation and DISinformation he deliberately spews in partisan defense of his fantastic, strong, and effective crisis management? I think his performance borders on the criminal in its incompetence.
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Borders on? If there were any justice in this nation, that maggot would be rotting in a prison right now.
 
dairyair said:
IMO, it's our 2 party system. As long as the people are enemies of each other, the elites in power can do as they please behind the curtain and no one will notice or care.
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I disagree that the fault is in the 2-party system. It's about people perceiving those with whom they disagree as enemies rather than as the loyal opposition. (I always think of Tip O'Neill.) There were a lot of people who didn't like Reagan and didn't vote for him and also people who didn't like Clinton and didn't vote for him. But when Bush the Younger was elected, the phrase "Bush Derangement Syndrome" was coined, and the gloves came off.

Amy Carter was mocked by some for being homely (and then there was his colorful brother, LOL), ditto Chelsea Clinton, but nothing like the way the Bush twins were treated. Constantly called "sluts." I remember people posting on political boards their wish that Bush would die. One example is when he attended a performance at the Ford Theater and folks expressed the hope that he would fall off the balcony and break his neck. And he was depicted as "special needs" in meme after meme (although I'm not sure this term was in use then).

I was very grateful that the Obama girls were spared the treatment of the Bush twins...but consider how Barron Trump was treated when his father was first elected. Remember Rosie O'Donnell spreading the rumor that he is autistic? His mother has been called a whore.

THIS is the stuff that has to stop, and individuals of both parties are guilty of unacceptable behavior. Has nothing to do with the GOP and Dems and everything to do with the coarsening of public and private behavior, not with "elitists."
 
nota bene said:
I disagree that the fault is in the 2-party system. It's about people perceiving those with whom they disagree as enemies rather than as the loyal opposition. (I always think of Tip O'Neill.) There were a lot of people who didn't like Reagan and didn't vote for him and also people who didn't like Clinton and didn't vote for him. But when Bush the Younger was elected, the phrase "Bush Derangement Syndrome" was coined, and the gloves came off.

Amy Carter was mocked by some for being homely (and then there was his colorful brother, LOL), ditto Chelsea Clinton, but nothing like the way the Bush twins were treated. Constantly called "sluts." I remember people posting on political boards their wish that Bush would die. One example is when he attended a performance at the Ford Theater and folks expressed the hope that he would fall off the balcony and break his neck. And he was depicted as "special needs" in meme after meme (although I'm not sure this term was in use then).

I was very grateful that the Obama girls were spared the treatment of the Bush twins...but consider how Barron Trump was treated when his father was first elected. Remember Rosie O'Donnell spreading the rumor that he is autistic? His mother has been called a whore.

THIS is the stuff that has to stop, and individuals of both parties are guilty of unacceptable behavior. Has nothing to do with the GOP and Dems and everything to do with the coarsening of public and private behavior, not with "elitists."
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If one pays attention, it's the elected people in those parties that portray the other party as the enemy.

If the idea wasn't being pushed from within, it would never gain a position among the people. There was a time when each party could work with the other party to come to a win-win for each side.
Today, it's all partisan all the time.

Unless, it benefits the elected officials personally or politically. Then they can reach darn near concensus. Tip O Neill was in the era of working for the American good and not the Party good.

IMO, the gloves came off when Bill C was investigated 24/7 for his entire presidency.
Those were done by party leaders, not by the people.

The leaders of the country set the tone for the people.
 
dairyair said:
If one pays attention, it's the elected people in those parties that portray the other party as the enemy.

If the idea wasn't being pushed from within, it would never gain a position among the people. There was a time when each party could work with the other party to come to a win-win for each side.
Today, it's all partisan all the time.

Unless, it benefits the elected officials personally or politically. Then they can reach darn near concensus. Tip O Neill was in the era of working for the American good and not the Party good.

IMO, the gloves came off when Bill C was investigated 24/7 for his entire presidency.
Those were done by party leaders, not by the people.

The leaders of the country set the tone for the people.
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Nope, I'm not going to blame leaders. I'm going to blame every individual who has chosen to stoop to low invective. I can't count how many times I've expressed the opinion, for example, that the Office of the Presidency deserves respect regardless of who is occupying it. (And have been branded as "Trumper" and etc. for the effort.) Each one of us who chose to call the Bush twins sluts or depicted one of the Obamas as an ape is equally and individually responsible. You can wholeheartedly disagree with another's political view and even thoroughly despise someone's personality without stooping.
 
nota bene said:
Nope, I'm not going to blame leaders. I'm going to blame every individual who has chosen to stoop to low invective. I can't count how many times I've expressed the opinion, for example, that the Office of the Presidency deserves respect regardless of who is occupying it. (And have been branded as "Trumper" and etc. for the effort.) Each one of us who chose to call the Bush twins sluts or depicted one of the Obamas as an ape is equally and individually responsible. You can wholeheartedly disagree with another's political view and even thoroughly despise someone's personality without stooping.
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Agree to disagree.

People always take on the character of the leader.

Be it a sports team, a company, or the country. Leaders set the tone. Hence why they are called leaders.

Often, a leader not saying or condemning bad behavior or rhetoric is an act of condoning said actions.

Now, I also know the politicians are so weak, they can't or won't condemn certain actions or statements because they won't win reelection. Which goes back to the parties and elites having it so good they don't care about right or wrong. Just getting reelected.
 
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dairyair said:
Agree to disagree.

People always take on the character of the leader.

Be it a sports team, a company, or the country. Leaders set the tone. Hence why they are called leaders.

Often, a leader not saying or condemning bad behavior or rhetoric is an act of condoning said actions.

Now, I also know the politicians are so weak, they can't or won't condemn certain actions or statements because they won't win reelection. Which goes back to the parties and elites having it so good they don't care about right or wrong. Just getting reelected.
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I agree that the only real concern of most politicians is being reelected.

I don't think you can blame any individual's behavior on the character of the leader, only the individual. I really can't think of any one political leader who has ever influenced my individual behavioral choices.
 
nota bene said:
I agree that the only real concern of most politicians is being reelected.

I don't think you can blame any individual's behavior on the character of the leader, only the individual. I really can't think of any one political leader who has ever influenced my individual behavioral choices.
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I am referring to the masses. A herd mentality. Most individuals are followers.

Why does a sports team have a coach?
Why does a company have a CEO?
A state a governor?
A country a Prime minister or president?

There needs to be a guiding force. A sense of direction.
Without a plan, a direction, a motto, etc, people will just go off in chaotic directions. There needs to be a plan, a goal.

Politicians are those things, supposedly, in our country. Without direction we end up with anarchy.
 
nota bene said:
I agree that the only real concern of most politicians is being reelected.

I don't think you can blame any individual's behavior on the character of the leader, only the individual. I really can't think of any one political leader who has ever influenced my individual behavioral choices.
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You do not think a President that refuses wearing a mask, refusing to hold rallies that require masks and social distancing …..you do not think this affects their individual choices? I mean, why would the POTUS put them in harms way?
 
Jonsa said:
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Do you think the mom should be charged with murder or anything else?
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The article has several biases in it and unexplained things. Also, the article is from "Friendly Atheist" criticizing something religious and it was removed from FaceBook. That should tell you something. Dubious motives at best. First, if her mother is not a doctor then how were these things "prescribed"? It is claimed that her mother took her to a "Covid Party" but the information provided describing the event doesn't even mention it was a Covid party. That was the author's biased opinion. Second, there are trials going on with azithromycin so medical professionals think enough of it to have trials. And, there are mixed findings coming out about hydroxychloroquine but the left media would have you believe the worst about the drug. It is still in several trials. Here's a new study out on July 3 that the MSM don't want you to know about: Hydroxychloroquine helps coronavirus patients recover, new study shows

I will say though that this girl should have been taken to a doctor/hospital instead of being treated at home.
 
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