White House defends Trump's claim that 99 percent of COVID-19 cases are 'harmless' with chart showin

RAMOSS said:

If you look , for example, at El Paso texas, and the hospitalizations. On June 24th, there were 95 people hospitalized. On July 4th, there were 200. That surge isn't good news. That surge isn't because of 'more testing'. it is a surge because people are getting sick enough to get admitted to the hospital.

On June 25th, there were 41 people in the El Paso Texas hospitals that were in the ICU. On July 4th, there were 71. Almost 1/3 (not quite) of the people in the hospital for Covid 19 in el paso texas are in the ICU.

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Right now, there is sufficient capacity in the hospitals. But, experience has shown if there is a big surge, that capacity can be used up quick. The good news is that because of experience and testing around the world, there are treatments available that can help keep people off the ventilators. The whole point in wearing masks in public is so presymptomatic and asymptomatic people don't spread the disease to others (as much). What I do not want to see is any place in the U.S. needing to go through what NYC did. NYC had two disadvantages... 1) It was at the fore front of of the pandemic in the U.S. so we didn't know how to treat the symptoms, and 2) The population density in the Greater new york area is far higher than any other place in the country.

But, white washing the severity of things, and trying to make it look a lot better than it is encourages carelessness and a disaster in the making.

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Here's my county's hospitalization numbers, and they're about a week behind, while the surge in cases continues.

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government

ReubenSherr said:

Agreed, he should have said "not fatal"

Remember who the alternative choice is, though, for president...

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Ah, the unusual on these threads, BUT MOM, HE DID IT TOO!! defense. :applaud

JasperL said:

Here's my county's hospitalization numbers, and they're about a week behind, while the surge in cases continues.

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government

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It's definitely starting to look scary from a hospital point of view.

Those numbers are why I think it is wrong to try to paint a rosy picture from the Powers that Be. That makes people take it less seriously, and will make then take risks that they shouldn't. If everyone took it seriously, wore masks properly, and we had 95% or greater of people doling that, the numbers would drop drastically. Now, I see too many places at the verge of what happened in NYC, and I don't want to see that happen to anyone. No one should lose a loved one because of someone else being stupid, or even the loved one being stupid.

ReubenSherr said:

Agreed, he should have said "not fatal"

Remember who the alternative choice is, though, for president...

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There is a diffrence between gaffes, and insert foot in mouth disease from total incompetence and malice.

JasperL said:

I've shown you on another thread that it takes about a month from exposure to virus ==> reported death, so what point are you trying to make here? Get back with us in 3-4 weeks and we'll know the death rate from those cases announced yesterday. You know this.

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This is why, in both threads, I tried to be careful to say "the new fatalities obviously correspond with old cases, not new ones"

And why I posted "Not saying this proves Trump's claim, but it's not out of the ballpark"

X Factor said:

Gotta tell ya, I’d rather be on the side hoping for and applauding “good numbers” than any side hoping for “bad” numbers to so they can be used as a bludgeon against Trump.

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How about being on the side with real numbers? That's not "slow testing" Trump's side.

RAMOSS said:

It's definitely starting to look scary from a hospital point of view.

Those numbers are why I think it is wrong to try to paint a rosy picture from the Powers that Be. That makes people take it less seriously, and will make then take risks that they shouldn't. If everyone took it seriously, wore masks properly, and we had 95% or greater of people doling that, the numbers would drop drastically. Now, I see too many places at the verge of what happened in NYC, and I don't want to see that happen to anyone. No one should lose a loved one because of someone else being stupid, or even the loved one being stupid.

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First of all, to be complete, I cut off the scale unintentionally, but those are blocks of 10 cases - we we peaked at 55 or so. That's still manageable, but the trend is what's got the community concerned, and there's nothing particularly that explains the new cases or that would lead us to believe those numbers won't get worse. As is, they are still manageable. We are the region's healthcare hub and that's a half dozen major hospitals, so we have capacity so long as we don't keep seeing new hospitalized cases.

With that said, I agree with the rest of your post. We can IMO still live our lives, and businesses open, but we just need to remain cautious. What makes me angry are all the stupid crap around here. There's an ice cream place with a big deck. People jam that thing like it's 2019. I don't get it, because there's no reason for it. Sure, get your ice cream, I know the owners, I'm glad they're back in business, but take basic precautions....

Captain Adverse said:

Hmm, I agree with the 99% currently being wrong.

I'd suggest he change the statement in future to the VAST MAJORITY, over 94% of Covid-19 cases are "relatively harmless."

I wonder if that would satisfy nay-sayers. Probably not, they'd figure out some way to turn that smile upside down. :coffeepap:

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It depends if you believe that life long heart, lung, liver, or brain damage are "relatively harmless." Maybe just an amputation or two? Less harmful than death, right?

RAMOSS said:

There is a diffrence between gaffes, and insert foot in mouth disease from total incompetence and malice.

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There is no malice involved here, and you guys know it. This is how Trump speaks, you've been watching him for 4 years or more. He said "harmless," he meant "fatal."

It's no different than Joe Biden telling voters it was Super Thursday

ReubenSherr said:

This is why, in both threads, I tried to be careful to say "the new fatalities obviously correspond with old cases, not new ones"

And why I posted "Not saying this proves Trump's claim, but it's not out of the ballpark"

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Well, why not do the calculation honestly, since you know the timeline?

7 day average of deaths as of today = 517
7 day average of cases June 15 (three weeks ago) = 22,510

Case fatality rate using those data = 2.30%, PLUS the 4-5% or so hospitalized who didn't die, with a grand total of 6%+ for whom the virus was most assuredly NOT "completely harmless."

And why did you snip out this comment?

And you've also conflated "didn't die" with "virus is harmless." Which is stupid of course. Surely you know at least 100s of thousands spent up to weeks in the hospital, some of them hooked up to ventilators, others in ICU. Do you think those people would characterize the virus as "harmless" because they lived through it?

Should we pretend that an ICU stay with permanent damage is "completely harmless" so long as we do not DIE? That's stupid. So why ignore hospitalizations TWICE? Are you that committed to defending idiocy coming from Trump?

ReubenSherr said:

There is no malice involved here, and you guys know it. This is how Trump speaks, you've been watching him for 4 years or more. He said "harmless," he meant "fatal."

It's no different than Joe Biden telling voters it was Super Thursday

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Wow, that's Gold Star level sycophancy! Bravo!!

What he said was extremely clear, actually: 99% of COVID cases are "totally harmless." We evaluate what he did say, not what his most shameless defenders wish he might have said, if Trump were NOT such an ignorant blowhard.

JasperL said:

Well, why not do the calculation honestly, since you know the timeline?

7 day average of deaths as of today = 517
7 day average of cases June 15 (three weeks ago) = 22,510

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Taking the 7 day average isn't any more "honest" - It's more accurate to use the most current stats

Honestly, I don't think it's worth the effort to get too wrapped up in all this data tonight, I'm waiting to see how this plays out, and praying the fatality curve doesn't go back up

My concern is that there are posters on this board (not you) that seem a little too excited that the death curve might go back up

JasperL said:

Wow, that's Gold Star level sycophancy! Bravo!!

What he said was extremely clear, actually: 99% of COVID cases are "totally harmless." We evaluate what he did say, not what his most shameless defenders wish he might have said, if Trump were NOT such an ignorant blowhard.

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All I'm gonna say is this isn't the best road for you guys to go down, given your candidate...:mrgreen:

ReubenSherr said:

Taking ...tl/dr

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When you repeatedly snip my comments, I know it's time to quit. Here's what you deleted this time:

Case fatality rate using those data = 2.30%, PLUS the 4-5% or so hospitalized who didn't die, with a grand total of 6%+ for whom the virus was most assuredly NOT "completely harmless."

And why did you snip out this comment?

And you've also conflated "didn't die" with "virus is harmless." Which is stupid of course. Surely you know at least 100s of thousands spent up to weeks in the hospital, some of them hooked up to ventilators, others in ICU. Do you think those people would characterize the virus as "harmless" because they lived through it?

Should we pretend that an ICU stay with permanent damage is "completely harmless" so long as we do not DIE? That's stupid. So why ignore hospitalizations TWICE? Are you that committed to defending idiocy coming from Trump?


Bottom line is you know the timeline and you know it's dishonest hackery to use cases today and deaths today, when the deaths resulting from infections today won't make the stats for a full MONTH.

ReubenSherr said:

All I'm gonna say....

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When you spend the thread making really awful arguments defending Trump's idiocy, no one cares. Trump said what he said, and asking us to believe he meant something TOTALLY different is just really pathetic sycophancy. SAD!!

What I don't get is WHY? He's an idiot, and he's POTUS, spreading outrageously irresponsible nonsense about COVID. Why defend that? No one not a committed Trump cultist is buying it, so what's the point?

Why am I not surprised I just turned on CNN and saw this headline:

"U. S. Death Toll Tops 130,000 As White House Defends Trump's Comment that 99% of Cases Are Harmless"

Rather than...

"U. S. Down To 212 Deaths In One Day As White House Defends Trump's Comment that 99% of Cases Are Harmless"

Hmmm...

JasperL said:

When you spend the thread making really awful arguments defending Trump's idiocy, no one cares. Trump said what he said, and asking us to believe he meant something TOTALLY different is just really pathetic sycophancy. SAD!!

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What is your feeling towards Biden saying this in 2007, about Obama...?

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." - JOE BIDEN, 2007

ReubenSherr said:

What is your feeling towards Biden saying this in 2007, about Obama...?

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." - JOE BIDEN, 2007

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Yep, absolutely a stupid thing to say. It is not the racist dog whistles of Trump, such as retweeting someone yelling 'white power'.

Jonsa said:

Boy you got that totally back asswards. There isn't any hope when Benedict Donald makes idiotic statements and that Twit McEnany standing there trying to defend the outrage nonsense coming out of trumps mouth. The chart shows a 5% fatality rate and she is using it to support trumps 99% is harmless idiocy.

But that's okay the numbers in the next few weeks will really start straining your ability to use "trump haters being mean and telling lies" to so easily dismiss the disgusting dereliction of duty to the nation Bendict Donald is perpetrating right before your america loving eyes.

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If people did not have and obsessive consumption with short attention spans, they'd also remember her during the campaign and the insidious commentary she continued to present.
It's no fluke that she has been in line to pump up the Melomaniac Mad Man, she's been at it for a long time. They use her more so as a "skinny white woman", who is suppose to be an image that can dupe suburban white women. It's Classic Media psychology at work here. Like TV showing any "skinny woman in any setting" as some example of imagery to manipulate white women. When fact is, the general body disposition of women will not and does not fit that imagery of shape.

Soap Opera's have been using that image psychology for 70 plus yrs... and has led women to every kind of obsessive thing in trying to appeal and match that imagery. To the point many judge each other by such.

They forget to pay attention to the "ignorance coming out of her mouth". When there is a "straight face liar" pushing such, based on the distraction of imagery, too many people don't awaken to the manipulation until they find themselves devastated and buried beneath the B.S. and can't dig their way out.

America suffers TREMENDOUSLY of "Short Attention Span and Selective Amnesia"... because they are daily bombarded with "psychological drama and cycled deflections"... and they get so emotionally wrapped in the "spin"... they can't remember the long continuous cycle of the madness that Trump and Republican push and promote.

They have a long history of being "taught by example" to push the truth under the rug... and to be fed conjured up spin and drama.... There's no pill one can take to cure that malady.

Media imagery has been used for more than 80+ years to "dictate to white people" what to follow. one can look at any Rag Magazine Spin, and they promote and pump up any "skinny woman" as a model and then promote her antics... and this makes young women and older women go into psychological spins and even some into psychological devastation trying to cleave to them and emulate them. And men are caught up in some fictional fantasy that is pushed of some sexual appeal. Unaware to realize... that when that fantasy meets reality, "hell breaks loose" and we see that in the high divorce rates, and the incessant spin of short cycled relationships that end in people unable to stand to be around each other.

Lori Loughlin is a classic example- people got so hung up on the "TV" image, they can't digest and fathom her malicious acts of bastardizing the Educational System to try and push her unqualified daughter onto a platform they were themselves ill prepared to gain on their own capability within educational achievements. The sad truth is, this has been going on for decades upon decades, and we see the result of "crashed companies", "bad decisions", and "acts of any type to live the money imagery lifestyle of opulence", and the end result is "American Industrial and Business were structurally "DESTROYED" by these image types being put in position, and their twisted minds, driven to do anything for the imagery of monetary based egotistical self measure, and then people let them off the hook, based on image. Simply because it will burst the public bubble to have to face the truth, that the image did not have the substance of quality character and was and is void of humane decency of integrity. Trump is a Classic Example of That Fact.

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ReubenSherr said:

What is your feeling towards Biden saying this in 2007, about Obama...?

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy." - JOE BIDEN, 2007

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To add to that phrase,- he is "highly intelligent, deeply concerned about Public Service and bypassed a lucrative position in a high dollar law firm to work the streets in community organizing to help people who were struggling under oppressive conditions, and went on to be a senator who used his knowledge to stand for "helping society", and from there when on to become President of the United States and Gave The America People, protections to get health care when they have pre-existing conditions and pushed for health care to be available to "everyone".... He served 8 yrs and dug the nation out of the worst economic mess since the Great Depression, and saved the homes of millions of Americans, and save the industries that employs millions of American people, and Restored Diplomacy on a Global Scale. For 8 yrs he did not have a musical chair game within his Presidential Cabinet and did not have a weekly or daily scandal and certainly had the integrity to manage his words when addressing the public and the world of nation. And he certainly did not have the collusion with Russia or Any other Country that has been a part of Trump's Mob since before Trump even entered the arena of politics.


Yep... Biden was correct... and facts proved the rest of what I wrote to what Biden said. (It's all recorded in the History of America!!! and nothing Trump can do will erase those facts!!! )

Obama handled Ebola... in ways Trump never could... and we see the mess Trump has made of COVID-19.... which is devastating America and American Lives.

RAMOSS said:

Ok. I know Kayleigh McEnany is not the most gaffe free press secretary , as demonstrated when she waved a check around with trump donating money to causes, and revealed his personal banking information.

But, her inability is showing again, with her using a chart showing a 5% fatality rate when claiming the 99% of all cases are harmless. I mean, if you are going ot make an outrageous claim, at least use a chart that matches your claim instead of proving it to be false.

White House defends Trump'''s claim that 99 percent of COVID-19 cases are '''harmless''' with chart showing 5 percent are fatal



Count down,.. to explain why what she said wasn't what she said.

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I'm no fan of DJT at all, and language skills might be his weakest point. Not to mention he is a crook and an idiot.

That said, his clumsy language failed him again. "Harmless" is not the right word, no.

If he had said that 99% of those infected would survive, he would have been technically correct.

The brouhaha over this gaffe demonstrates clearly that Plandemic is not about public health--it is about politics.

Thoreau72 said:

I'm no fan of DJT at all, and language skills might be his weakest point. Not to mention he is a crook and an idiot.

That said, his clumsy language failed him again. "Harmless" is not the right word, no.

If he had said that 99% of those infected would survive, he would have been technically correct.

The brouhaha over this gaffe demonstrates clearly that Plandemic is not about public health--it is about politics.

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Actually, Trump's mouth spews the twisted thoughts that reside within his head. the two can't be separated, it has nothing to do with "skill' as it relates to words, the man spews the vile that he has lived by his entire life.

RAMOSS said:

Ok. I know Kayleigh McEnany is not the most gaffe free press secretary , as demonstrated when she waved a check around with trump donating money to causes, and revealed his personal banking information.

But, her inability is showing again, with her using a chart showing a 5% fatality rate when claiming the 99% of all cases are harmless. I mean, if you are going ot make an outrageous claim, at least use a chart that matches your claim instead of proving it to be false.

White House defends Trump'''s claim that 99 percent of COVID-19 cases are '''harmless''' with chart showing 5 percent are fatal



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It's difficult to tell.

Here in Indiana, the case count rises as the test rate increases.

Presumably, the number of cases confirmed will rise more if the number of tests completed continues to rise.

Despite this, the number of deaths continues to be low and dropping. Case rate is rising since mid June while Death rate is falling since mid June. Logically, it would seem like the two should be rising or falling together.

It would also seem logical that if the data was revealing reality and the reality was not changing, then the case count, the hospitalization count and the death count would all be conforming to each other.

That does not seem to be the case.

Slicing and dicing these numbers seems to be a fools game at this point.

RealityNow said:

Actually, Trump's mouth spews the twisted thoughts that reside within his head. the two can't be separated, it has nothing to do with "skill' as it relates to words, the man spews the vile that he has lived by his entire life.

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Some men are better liars than others.

Barack was most certainly a better liar than Donald. Barack is the proverbial Silver-tongued Devil.

X Factor said:

Gotta tell ya, I’d rather be on the side hoping for and applauding “good numbers” than any side hoping for “bad” numbers to so they can be used as a bludgeon against Trump.

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And what do you think of Trump deciding that he wants less testing done because the numbers "look bad" for his election prospects? How long are you prepared to be lied to? Hope is fine; lying for personal political advantage during a killer pandemic is definitely not fine.