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Virus already in Italy by December, waste water study finds

Acadia said:
Satellite imagery and internet searches strongly suggest Wuhan saw an outbreak as early as summer 2019.
I don't know know some twist themselves into a pretzel to let China off the hook.

Well, I do.

muh orange man bad
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Yeah. I expect this virus has been present in humans for longer than we currently think. I have no idea how that could be proven at this point, and I don't think it really matters. But given that the data we receive daily is totally screwed, we're left to our own devices to determine what is actually occurring. All I can say is, "Thank you, governing bodies, for totally screwing the pooch."
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Canada has 5 times the number of Chinese people that Italy does. With flights daily between the countries many cities. Australia has a larger Chinese population ( 4 times that of Italy). If Italy had the Virus in November at testable levels because of contact with people from China who were infected I would expect major Canadian cities to have testable levels of Covid 19 in the same time frame. I do not know if Canadian cities have tested their old sewage samples for Covid 19, I hope they do.
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I don't doubt that many countries have had a significant Chinese presence among their populations. The US certainly has. Perhaps, as some medical folks have mentioned, demographics and cultural custom in Italy was a contributing factor.

I expect that as investigation continues, much more will be discovered. Whether that information is reported or not is another matter. We're at the mercy of a now accepted narrative, and anything of significance that contradicts that narrative isn't likely to receive attention. As I said to another poster, given that the toothpaste is already out of the tube, it likely doesn't matter in daily life.

But even we average folks would like to know...
 
OlNate said:
This is a development to watch.

Virus already in Italy by December, waste water study finds | CTV News
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If nothing else, it shows the danger of devolving into jack-assery. Sorry for all those invested in the "Kung Flu" BS, but you were warned...
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Actually, the news is at least a week old, but thanks for putting it up.

The official narrative is contrived and not supported by facts. Plandemic or maybe Scamdemic are the best ways to describe the situation we're in.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Brazil had testable levels in late November

Spain might have had it in March 2019, samples have to be retested as the positive test was not a great one. Italy had an outbreak of a strange pneumonia in November

Now if Italy, France got it from China, Canada should have as well. I believe the Chinese population in Canada is far larger than that of Italy or Spain. Heck Vancouver probably has more than Italy and Spain put together
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Northern Italy had a large pool of Chinese making garments.
Made in Italy, by Chinese workers - News : distribution (#377237)
They were able to skirt the laws by bringing in Chinese workers to make garments cheaper.
That is also the same area where the outbreak started.
 
Right now I would say the virus has been around for quite a while.

Wuhan was lucky or unlucky to have experts on Corona viruses and was the one to discover/identify it. While other areas that had the virus did not think to look for it
 
Thoreau72 said:
Actually, the news is at least a week old, but thanks for putting it up.

The official narrative is contrived and not supported by facts. Plandemic or maybe Scamdemic are the best ways to describe the situation we're in.
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I think there's a lot of ignorance at play, for sure....but you might be looking in the wrong direction, with the whole "plandemic" / "scamdemic" schtick. The idea that is being looked at now is that the virus has lain dormant all across the world, and was activated by climate change....lol.... Sorry, Thoreau, I know your head probably just blew up there...lol...don't shoot the messenger.

Virus may have been here just waiting to be 'ignited', expert says | Windsor Star
Windsor Star - Media Bias/Fact Check

Note, Spain has now found the virus in their water supply going back as far as MARCH 2019.
 
Acadia said:
Satellite imagery and internet searches strongly suggest Wuhan saw an outbreak as early as summer 2019.
I don't know know some twist themselves into a pretzel to let China off the hook.

Well, I do.

muh orange man bad
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Spain is reporting coronavirus in their water supply in march 2019. I don't know why some twist themselves into a pretzel to make China a scapegoat, especially in the face of new information that might make that impossible. Well, I do. Orange man god.
 
humbolt said:
Yeah. I expect this virus has been present in humans for longer than we currently think. I have no idea how that could be proven at this point, and I don't think it really matters. But given that the data we receive daily is totally screwed, we're left to our own devices to determine what is actually occurring. All I can say is, "Thank you, governing bodies, for totally screwing the pooch."
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This is definitely what's coming to light.

Canada's early COVID-19 cases came from the U.S. not China, provincial data shows | National Post
Windsor Star - Media Bias/Fact Check

What's really scary is that environmental factors are being declared the catalyst... Given the current controversy around what our environmental efforts should be, it looks like we won't be dealing with root cause any time soon.
 
OlNate said:
Is this just an educational discussion, or do you think there's a correlation between our Chinese population and how Canada got the virus?

Canada's early COVID-19 cases came from the U.S. not China, provincial data shows | National Post
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It is educational, meant to show that blaming the presence of the virus in Italy on its large Chinese population does not make sense with the information we have now as other countries have larger Chinese populations and at this time did not detect the virus that early
We also know the first tested case in France was mid December from a person with no ties to China ( North African fish monger)

I know that the known early cases came from the US.
 
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OlNate said:
This is definitely what's coming to light.

Canada's early COVID-19 cases came from the U.S. not China, provincial data shows | National Post
Windsor Star - Media Bias/Fact Check

What's really scary is that environmental factors are being declared the catalyst... Given the current controversy around what our environmental efforts should be, it looks like we won't be dealing with root cause any time soon.
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Just do the best you can and let the rest sort itself out. I'd say, "Don't worry," but then I'd worry about saying that, so I won't say it.
 
OlNate said:
I think there's a lot of ignorance at play, for sure....but you might be looking in the wrong direction, with the whole "plandemic" / "scamdemic" schtick. The idea that is being looked at now is that the virus has lain dormant all across the world, and was activated by climate change....lol.... Sorry, Thoreau, I know your head probably just blew up there...lol...don't shoot the messenger.

Virus may have been here just waiting to be 'ignited', expert says | Windsor Star
Windsor Star - Media Bias/Fact Check

Note, Spain has now found the virus in their water supply going back as far as MARCH 2019.
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You know me Nate, the quintessential CT. You can't blow my mind, but thanks for the consideration. :)

The gain of function experiments on this virus were conducted in 2015, so it could have showed up in sewers and water and elsewhere anytime after that.
 
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