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I WANT to catch COVID.

year2late said:
Sadly, if the person does not die of coronavirus....smoking will likely eventually contribute to their premature death. I am an ICU RN and most of our patients were smokers. (that will depend on the type of ICU you work in)If smoking did not directly cause their death, it made the process of weaning from the ventilator more challenging and frankly torturous.

Hopefully nobody will take up smoking to save them from covid.:shock:
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I agree.

Most people don't understand the inherent risks of being on a ventilator. When I was experiencing an unexpected shortness of breath after falling for no apparent reason, the person with was the supervisor of an Alzheimer's unit. Called an ambulance, whether I wanted one or not. I thought I was just out of breath. Heart attack. That small hospital ER doctor ordered I be immediately transported to a major hospital an hour away. There, after a fast cath-exam, a surgeon was direct and to the point: "We do surgery now or you will die. Your chance of survival is 50/50." My response was also summary and immediate - 2 words: "Do it." Open heart surgery.

The relevancy is that nurse stuck with me and on top of it stating she was doing so for exactly one reason - to make sure they get me off the ventilator ASAP after surgery, explaining the longer a person is on a ventilator, the higher the odds their lungs won't start back up operating on their own - meaning on a ventilator for the rest of the person's likely short life. It's like anesthetics. Even for minor surgery, anesthetics will kill a small percentage of patients. I gather it is that way for ventilators too - but you know more about it than I do.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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The downside is the number of people you'll infect, some of whom won't be able to fight it off as you might be able to do. I say, "might" because you still might succumb or have life-long organ damage.
 
joko104 said:
I agree.

Most people don't understand the inherent risks of being on a ventilator. When I was experiencing an unexpected shortness of breath after falling for no apparent reason, the person with was the supervisor of an Alzheimer's unit. Called an ambulance, whether I wanted one or not. I thought I was just out of breath. Heart attack. That small hospital ER doctor ordered I be immediately transported to a major hospital an hour away. There, after a fast cath-exam, a surgeon was direct and to the point: "We do surgery now or you will die. Your chance of survival is 50/50." My response was also summary and immediate - 2 words: "Do it." Open heart surgery.

The relevancy is that nurse stuck with me and on top of it stating she was doing so for exactly one reason - to make sure they get me off the ventilator ASAP after surgery, explaining the longer a person is on a ventilator, the higher the odds their lungs won't start back up operating on their own - meaning on a ventilator for the rest of the person's likely short life. It's like anesthetics. Even for minor surgery, anesthetics will kill a small percentage of patients. I gather it is that way for ventilators too - but you know more about it than I do.
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Same day extubation or next morning extubation is the rule, not the exception. If in an open heart unit the norm is not up in a chair and off the ventilator the morning after surgery....a patient should be very afraid. A patient should not have to "make sure" they get off the vent quickly.....it damned better be in their protocol.

That being said, the lungs can stand "a bit" of being on the ventilator. It is more harmful to a body to remove it before it is ready to pick up the slack.
 
year2late said:
Same day extubation or next morning extubation is the rule, not the exception. If in an open heart unit the norm is not up in a chair and off the ventilator is not the norm the morning after surgery....a patient should be very afraid. A patient should not have to "make sure" they get off the vent quickly.....it damned better be in their protocol.

That being said, the lungs can stand "a bit" of being on the ventilator. It is more harmful to a body to remove it before it is ready to pick up the slack.
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I had a triple bypass. It was very early in the AM. I woke up that afternoon - not on a ventilator (only on oxygen) - and was discharged the next late afternoon. I don't know what the norm is. Thanks for the info.
 
Two days is "doable" but usually a bit more.
 
mike2810 said:
Last I read the long term effects of CV-19 is not known as well as the effectiveness of recovering from CV-19 and future immunity one might have.

imo, the immunity you might get from recovering from the virus would be short lived and not a lifetime effect.
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Exactly. THey dont know yet and SARS immunity only lasts ~2 yrs.

And now, they recognize that there's no lifetime immunity even to things like the measles...

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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Death....
 
TheGoverness said:
Life is not going to go back to the way it was, even if you recover from COVID-19. It's just not worth it. I care about you, and I understand your frustration, but you know that it's not a good idea.
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I had a serious case of bronchitis in the 90s and my respiratory system has never been the same. My trachea was irritated so badly from the coughing that it became scarred and any cold or flu now (which I rarely catch thankfully) leads to more coughing and more painful coughing. Any coughing irritates it now.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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joko104 said:
I agree.

Most people don't understand the inherent risks of being on a ventilator. When I was experiencing an unexpected shortness of breath after falling for no apparent reason, the person with was the supervisor of an Alzheimer's unit. Called an ambulance, whether I wanted one or not. I thought I was just out of breath. Heart attack. That small hospital ER doctor ordered I be immediately transported to a major hospital an hour away. There, after a fast cath-exam, a surgeon was direct and to the point: "We do surgery now or you will die. Your chance of survival is 50/50." My response was also summary and immediate - 2 words: "Do it." Open heart surgery.

The relevancy is that nurse stuck with me and on top of it stating she was doing so for exactly one reason - to make sure they get me off the ventilator ASAP after surgery, explaining the longer a person is on a ventilator, the higher the odds their lungs won't start back up operating on their own - meaning on a ventilator for the rest of the person's likely short life. It's like anesthetics. Even for minor surgery, anesthetics will kill a small percentage of patients. I gather it is that way for ventilators too - but you know more about it than I do.
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Congratulations on your survival.

If you get COVID, your survival may be shortened, though. Better be cautious.
 
TheGoverness said:
I only wear my masks when I'm going out to the store or whatever, and it's a requirement now in my county in order to enter a business, but I've already been doing that anyways. That mask comes off when I'm out. Masks are also going to be required on campus when I go back to college, so there's that.
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If you are in close packed groups of people, I would wear a mask even if outside. Inside is higher risk, but you can still get it, for example, marching in a parade.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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You may want to check the science before you do. Currently, they are thinking that whatever vaccine is provided may have to be an annual (like the flu shot) or possibly bi-annual. They aren't sure yet that this one of those diseases where you get it once and that's it, you've developed immunity.

On top of that, it is being noted that younger and healthier persons are also contracting it...and a few are dying. There are plenty of cases where the person was healthy and they died of it.

I understand the frustration, but you also have to understand that even if you do get it, you may be asymptomatic for days and still spread it to others who aren't as healthy as you.

I advise against doing it. If not for yourself, then for others.
 
year2late said:
Sadly, if the person does not die of coronavirus....smoking will likely eventually contribute to their premature death. I am an ICU RN and most of our patients were smokers. (that will depend on the type of ICU you work in)If smoking did not directly cause their death, it made the process of weaning from the ventilator more challenging and frankly torturous.

Hopefully nobody will take up smoking to save them from covid.:shock:
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Very good advice for many reasons.

One of my brothers has a number of health issues, most recently pancreatic cancer. Prior to that, he had a couple of strokes. Cut to the chase: carotid arteries on both sides of his neck were clogged due to a lifetime of smoking. One carotid artery is so clogged it is barely working at all and is inoperable due to the location, under his jaw. As I understand it the artery with the stent in it would have a difficult time functioning enough to keep him alive during the prolonged surgery on the other artery. :roll:

Lord, the things you all in medicine encounter must be mind-boggling. I don't know how you all do it but I am very grateful that you do. All of you deserve great respect.

They operated on one side for about 6 hours. It was touch and go because the other artery was barely working. He almost didn't make it.

There are other health issues and now pancreatic cancer. Fortunately, the cancer has not spread. He's been on chemo and has completed radiation. Unfortunately, the location of the tumor makes the surgery to remove the tumor a rather sketchy option. His oncologist told him that a lifetime of smoking has lowered his possible survival chances during and after surgery. And then there's COVID. He would have to stay in the hospital for 2 weeks after surgery. During COVID, with a compromised system?

Having watched my brother fight the hard fight I'd stand on a soapbox every day and preach the evils of smoking if people would listen. People don't realize how smoking can very much complicate everything else in their lives. Smoking is a terrible addiction.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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Words fail me.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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I'm not an educated man, but do people who come down with diseases automatically become immune to them?
 
in the middle of pandemic people are saying they want to get the thing that has caused the pandemic (more infections, more potential death).


idiots.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Very good advice for many reasons.

One of my brothers has a number of health issues, most recently pancreatic cancer. Prior to that, he had a couple of strokes. Cut to the chase: carotid arteries on both sides of his neck were clogged due to a lifetime of smoking. One carotid artery is so clogged it is barely working at all and is inoperable due to the location, under his jaw. As I understand it the artery with the stent in it would have a difficult time functioning enough to keep him alive during the prolonged surgery on the other artery. :roll:

Lord, the things you all in medicine encounter must be mind-boggling. I don't know how you all do it but I am very grateful that you do. All of you deserve great respect.

They operated on one side for about 6 hours. It was touch and go because the other artery was barely working. He almost didn't make it.

There are other health issues and now pancreatic cancer. Fortunately, the cancer has not spread. He's been on chemo and has completed radiation. Unfortunately, the location of the tumor makes the surgery to remove the tumor a rather sketchy option. His oncologist told him that a lifetime of smoking has lowered his possible survival chances during and after surgery. And then there's COVID. He would have to stay in the hospital for 2 weeks after surgery. During COVID, with a compromised system?

Having watched my brother fight the hard fight I'd stand on a soapbox every day and preach the evils of smoking if people would listen. People don't realize how smoking can very much complicate everything else in their lives. Smoking is a terrible addiction.
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The tobacco industry told us for years that smoking was not addictive and that it didn't cause cancer. They knew better, of course, but still advertised their product as harmless, and even intimated that doctors recommended particular brands. What a hoax.

an now we're hearing that the COVID is no big deal and will simply go away on its own.
 
CaughtInThe said:
in the middle of pandemic people are saying they want to get the thing that has caused the pandemic (more infections, more potential death).


idiots.
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They are walking Darwin Award recipients waiting to happen.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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Enjoy!!!!!!!!!
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Seriously, I do.

I'm sick and ****ing tired of living this way. I'm 52 and healthy and with no underlying health conditions. The way I see it, if I catch the disease and recover, I can then freely go about my life without fear of getting it again or infecting anybody else. Fight it off while quarantining myself, wait until I'm "COVID free", and then go back to life the way it was before all of this started.

I'm in. Well worth it in my mind. What's the downside?
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Of course one alternative, at your age, is death. The older we get, the less effective our immune systems become, irrespective of our overall physical health.
Next, there is NO evidence that infection and recovery confers immunity; on the contrary there are reports of re-infection or continued asymptomatic infection after recovering from major symptoms. There has been one small study done on primates which was inconclusive. So yeah, the downside is that you die, drowning in pus, coughing-up your lungs. Nice huh?
 
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joko104 said:
Then vaccinations are worthless and it is basically inevitable nearly everyone will get it sooner or later anyway.
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Yeah, like parachutes are basically worthless because they sometimes fail to open. Your grasp of logic is breathtaking; not in a good way.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm not an educated man, but do people who come down with diseases automatically become immune to them?
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Nope.

Recovery from malaria does not produce any immunity at all. You can get it a dozen times and not be immune.

Recovery from the seasonal flu lasts a few months.

Recovery from chicken pox is permanent (though getting chicken pox means you might get shingles later in life).

We still don't know if recovery from COVID-19 produces immunity, or if it does, for how long. That's a major reason why anyone who talks about a "herd immunity" solution before there's a vaccine is, well, full of it.
 
Even the anti-body tests are apparently unreliable.

In Germany last December I got something. I was sick. Returned home and remained sick for about a week. In February or March I became aware of many of the symptoms of COVID. Damn near same symptoms I had in December.

It wasn't until May that I was able to get an antibody test. Simple procedure. Results came back in two days. Negative. Two weeks later I read that approximately 50% of the antibody tests results were incorrect.

In my opinion the best thing I can do for myself, my family and for the community is to act as if I have never had the virus. Maybe I had it and maybe I didn't. For the sake of everyone it is best that we all treat the virus and each other with respect.

There remains soooo much we don't know about the virus, its long term effects, where there is immunity from the virus and if so how long the immunity lasts. We do not have national standardized testing. To my understanding that includes anti-body testing. We do not know the developmental effects the virus might have on children. We do not have national standardized tracking capabilities.

First wave? Second wave? Transmission rates? How the hell do we know? We don't. Act accordingly.
 
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