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That no one wears face shields proves no one REALLY believes what they say about masks

I can't wait for your explanation as to why Europe has seen a dramatic drop in cases as compared to your exponential increase. I know the reason, do you?

Why do the left keep talking about cases and forget to mention the lowering death rate? Oh that's because the cases are herd immunity taking effect on the death rate.
 
Yes, I agree the prospect of a hideous premature death when it could be avoided, is frightening.
Im sure the pro-life crowd will be pleased to hear your new found epiphany on the sanctity of life.

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That's not true.



This is stupid for two reasons. One, if it's causing you to rebreathe bacteria and viruses, then it's reducing the amount of those that others might breathe. Two, your "hot" breath is body temperature, which is ideal for your body, by definition, and any viruses or bacteria in your exhaled air came from inside of you, so breathing them back in is medically irrelevant.



If that's an issue for you, then go ahead and wear a face shield. No one is stopping you.
What hsppened to the my body, my choice mantra touted by the left. Does that principle only apply to pregnant women? What about the rest of us, dont we all have bodily autonomy?

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Everyone is told should be wearing face masks to protect others from potentially deadly infection when we leave the house . But face masks can be hot, and they can irritate the skin, fog glasses, make it difficult for some to breathe and create a world without smiles. It also can be difficult for people who have hearing loss to communicate when mouths are covered, muffling voices and hiding facial expressions.

Are clear plastic face shields, most frequently used in health care settings, a better option?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continues to recommend wearing “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.” But some health experts say shields appear to be very effective at preventing infection — maybe even more effective than masks — for someone going about regular daily activities and not in a high-risk health care setting.

Face Shields May Be Better Than Masks for COVID-19
Universal Face Shields: A Better Option for COVID-19 Containment?
What We Know About Face Shields and Coronavirus - WSJ

From the start, it was explained that face shields offer more protection than masks - and that was medical grade masks. Almost no one wears medical grade masks and there are ZERO studies about homemade masks. A face shield does not restrict your breathing. It does not have you increasingly breathing hot, wet bacteria and virus packed air. It does not reduce you oxygen intake. Doesn't increase you heart rate and blood pressure.
Yet no one wears a face shield. This proves people wear masks for only 2 reasons: Talking heads on TV tell them to - though they aren't wearing a face mask while doing so and 2.) peer pressure to wear a mask - and peer pressure not to wear a face shield.

No one REALLY believes masks help. If they REALLY cared about covid-19 they would be wearing a face shield.

Very well thought out commentary.
 
What hsppened to the my body, my choice mantra touted by the left. Does that principle only apply to pregnant women? What about the rest of us, dont we all have bodily autonomy?

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Democrats have a saying covering that. "That is different."
 
Oh please we know from the information coming out that the risk of death is remarkably low and confined by nearly 80 percent to over 70 and with preexisting conditions. I hate to inform you but that's pretty normal for the elderly in the world. This "Great Fear" is just an attempt to control the U.S. both politically and economically. You have politics in America trying to win a election and you have China trying to mitigate the damage to China's economy by Trump forcing better trade deals with the U.S. and the China virus that they let get out. It hit them hard and they let it spread out from Wuhan to cause the same damage on the rest of the industrialized world. Keeping all things even.
So mask don't do much good, social distancing must not matter, because our liberal politicians think riots and protests where the participants are elbow to elbow is OK. Sort of ruins their hype.
If the liberal, socialist, communist idealogies win this battle the U.S. is going to suffer badly. Liberal Democrats and liberal Tech giants don't care, because they can afford the mess and don't care about jobs.

Well stated. :2wave:
 
I only mentioned it because someone claimed that it is only trump supporters resisting wearing masks. He is about as far away as you can get from being a Trump supporter and he is not buying into this mask hysteria either.

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When they mention Trump, we know it is not medical, but political. They go so far as to lie saying Trump tells us not to wear masks.
 
Everyone is told should be wearing face masks to protect others from potentially deadly infection when we leave the house . But face masks can be hot, and they can irritate the skin, fog glasses, make it difficult for some to breathe and create a world without smiles. It also can be difficult for people who have hearing loss to communicate when mouths are covered, muffling voices and hiding facial expressions.

Are clear plastic face shields, most frequently used in health care settings, a better option?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continues to recommend wearing “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.” But some health experts say shields appear to be very effective at preventing infection — maybe even more effective than masks — for someone going about regular daily activities and not in a high-risk health care setting.

Face Shields May Be Better Than Masks for COVID-19
Universal Face Shields: A Better Option for COVID-19 Containment?
What We Know About Face Shields and Coronavirus - WSJ

From the start, it was explained that face shields offer more protection than masks - and that was medical grade masks. Almost no one wears medical grade masks and there are ZERO studies about homemade masks. A face shield does not restrict your breathing. It does not have you increasingly breathing hot, wet bacteria and virus packed air. It does not reduce you oxygen intake. Doesn't increase you heart rate and blood pressure.
Yet no one wears a face shield. This proves people wear masks for only 2 reasons: Talking heads on TV tell them to - though they aren't wearing a face mask while doing so and 2.) peer pressure to wear a mask - and peer pressure not to wear a face shield.

No one REALLY believes masks help. If they REALLY cared about covid-19 they would be wearing a face shield.

I believe the masks are of great help. (not foolproof to be certain)

I will say (from experience) that wearing a face shield clearly interrupts work and speech. At the bedside the shields make speech more difficult to understand and we have to work hard to be understood and to understand. I find the shield uncomfortable. I have a voice that I can easily project through the shield. many have to work at it and repeat themselves ALOT.

When trying to get the lay public on board, I would think the best method for compliance would be best.

I face simple mask when coupled with social distancing and proper hand hygiene is do-able for the public at large. If some want to go the extra mile...okie dokie, but because of how cumbersome and uncomfortable it can be - along with communication issues....makes it difficult for me to see the lay public able to comply in day to day settings.

Again, the simple mask for the lay public is meant to help the spread of droplets. It is not meant to protect you.

For the lay public they would also be responsible for their shield. As it is intended to prevent and protect...is the expectation that there will be compliance with the care of the shield? Will they be disinfecting it upon removal? Basic cloth masks can just be simply washed and dried. In the hospital, when we remove the mask, we disinfect the inner and outer surfaces. What will be the procedure for the mask?

But sure everyone wearing face shields properly and kept properly disinfected would be optimal if it were part of a process that was easily complied with.
 
What hsppened to the my body, my choice mantra touted by the left. Does that principle only apply to pregnant women? What about the rest of us, dont we all have bodily autonomy?

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So you are free to run around naked?

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Why do the left keep talking about cases and forget to mention the lowering death rate? Oh that's because the cases are herd immunity taking effect on the death rate.

When we speak of death rates...that goes hand in hand with serious illness and the effect on healthcare resources. When the healthcare resources are affected....keep in mind this affects non covid related healthcare issues. When they talk about "elective surgeries" are being cancelled...they are talking about everything but "if I do not have this surgery right now, I will in the near term die or have serious irreparable harm without it". Essentially making them wait until it is life and death.

So death rates go hand in hand with serious illness, hospitalization and use of resources.
 
Are you asking me if theres laws discouraging it?

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So no you are not free to run around naked. So much for freedom. You are in fact more free to go without a mask in every state than without something covering your genitalia since the discouraging part of masks is to fine the establishment/property owner if they allow you in without it, in most states requiring masks to be worn, while you can go to jail and be put on lists for going out into public naked.

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So no you are not free to run around naked. So much for freedom. You are in fact more free to go without a mask in every state than without something covering your genitalia since the discouraging part of masks is to fine the establishment/property owner if they allow you in without it, in most states requiring masks to be worn, while you can go to jail and be put on lists for going out into public naked.

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So am i understanding you correctly thst you would be fine with mask laws being the same as nudity laws?

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So no you are not free to run around naked. So much for freedom. You are in fact more free to go without a mask in every state than without something covering your genitalia since the discouraging part of masks is to fine the establishment/property owner if they allow you in without it, in most states requiring masks to be worn, while you can go to jail and be put on lists for going out into public naked.

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Public nudity never caused anyone to become infected with a virus that has killed nearly 135,000 Americans either. America is still a world leader, leading the world as the #1 country with the most cases of Covid-19 and it's not even half over yet.
 
Everyone is told should be wearing face masks to protect others from potentially deadly infection when we leave the house . But face masks can be hot, and they can irritate the skin, fog glasses, make it difficult for some to breathe and create a world without smiles. It also can be difficult for people who have hearing loss to communicate when mouths are covered, muffling voices and hiding facial expressions.

Are clear plastic face shields, most frequently used in health care settings, a better option?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continues to recommend wearing “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.” But some health experts say shields appear to be very effective at preventing infection — maybe even more effective than masks — for someone going about regular daily activities and not in a high-risk health care setting.

Face Shields May Be Better Than Masks for COVID-19
Universal Face Shields: A Better Option for COVID-19 Containment?
What We Know About Face Shields and Coronavirus - WSJ

From the start, it was explained that face shields offer more protection than masks - and that was medical grade masks. Almost no one wears medical grade masks and there are ZERO studies about homemade masks. A face shield does not restrict your breathing. It does not have you increasingly breathing hot, wet bacteria and virus packed air. It does not reduce you oxygen intake. Doesn't increase you heart rate and blood pressure.
Yet no one wears a face shield. This proves people wear masks for only 2 reasons: Talking heads on TV tell them to - though they aren't wearing a face mask while doing so and 2.) peer pressure to wear a mask - and peer pressure not to wear a face shield.

No one REALLY believes masks help. If they REALLY cared about covid-19 they would be wearing a face shield.

If you don't bother wearing a face shield, do you still cover your mouth when you sneeze?
 
So am i understanding you correctly thst you would be fine with mask laws being the same as nudity laws?

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No you aren't. Unless of course nudity laws are dropped to the level of mask laws when it comes to punishment. Maybe a fine.

But it isnt about my support for nudity laws. Its about whether they are, in your opinion, a violation of your freedom and how you felt about them before this.

Ive always supported covering the bottom part (butt, genitals), as those have hygiene concerns aka health concerns. But punishment should be appropriate to such concerns, meaning fines, possibly community service if extreme repeat offender.

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No you aren't. Unless of course nudity laws are dropped to the level of mask laws when it comes to punishment. Maybe a fine.

But it isnt about my support for nudity laws. Its about whether they are, in your opinion, a violation of your freedom and how you felt about them before this.

Ive always supported covering the bottom part (butt, genitals), as those have hygiene concerns aka health concerns. But punishment should be appropriate to such concerns, meaning fines, possibly community service if extreme repeat offender.

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Oh ok, your looking gor my opinion. I think nudity laws are silly. I have no objection to people being nude.

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I just ordered a pair of face shields, one for me & one for my wife. They seem to be universally used in ICUs & ERs because of COVID.
I'm with you, Jack. I'm ready to order some for our family.

We recently ran across an acquaintance wearing one at a local gathering event (reservations and "masks" required)...and he looked way more comfortable and didn't fiddle with his face covering like the rest of us did/were.

A neighbor is an ER nurse and, very early, cautioned us against the very real risk of self-infection from touch and improper removal of a facial mask. She has to wear both but echos many of the sentiments here: that, in a non-medical/high-risk situation, the shields can do as good a job as a mask without many of the drawbacks. I think we can invest a few dollars to purchase one (we actually have some being made locally; give someone a job!).

To see someone's smile....would be a welcome, well, breath of fresh air. A sign of something positive when most else seems grim.
 
Oh ok, your looking gor my opinion. I think nudity laws are silly. I have no objection to people being nude.

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Have you protested them? Have you claimed they were a violation of your constitutional rights?

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Why do the left keep talking about cases and forget to mention the lowering death rate? Oh that's because the cases are herd immunity taking effect on the death rate.

Nonsense; there is NO hard data or evidence that any immunity is conferred post-infection, either long term or short term. There are, however, reports of re-infection.
 
When they mention Trump, we know it is not medical, but political. They go so far as to lie saying Trump tells us not to wear masks.

Did you ever hear the phrase, 'lead by example'? Everything Trump has said about Covid-19 is designed to minimise, downplay and marginalise a horrible pandemic-and all because he wants his 'numbers' to look good for the forthcoming election. Didn't he say he wanted less testing done because the numbers 'look bad' otherwise? Why yes, yes he did; thus political.
 
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Have you protested them? Have you claimed they were a violation of your constitutional rights?

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Actually yes I have argued that in the past. If you disagree with me about masks, thats fine, but argue why instead of trying to deflect by accusing me of being some kind of hypocrite.
Whats even more puzzling is that I did not argue that the gov does not have the authority to mandate something for the purpose of public safety. What I have said is that if they are going to make that argument they need stronger evidence than they have produced.
What seems to getting lost on the those of you insisting that we all must wear masks is that they dont have the science to support it. These people are goving their opinion. They know very little about this virus and what the best approach is to combating it.

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Actually yes I have argued that in the past. If you disagree with me about masks, thats fine, but argue why instead of trying to deflect by accusing me of being some kind of hypocrite.
Whats even more puzzling is that I did not argue that the gov does not have the authority to mandate something for the purpose of public safety. What I have said is that if they are going to make that argument they need stronger evidence than they have produced.
What seems to getting lost on the those of you insisting that we all must wear masks is that they dont have the science to support it. These people are goving their opinion. They know very little about this virus and what the best approach is to combating it.

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What science is lacking, in your opinion? Every medic you talk to says wearing a mask helps prevent the wearer passing on the virus; why else do medical staff all wear them if they don't do anything? It isn't 100% effective but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing. ALL medics give an opinion and sometimes request a second opinion from another if there may be some doubt about a diagnosis, for example. The legal profession is no different in that regard.
 
What science is lacking, in your opinion? Every medic you talk to says wearing a mask helps prevent the wearer passing on the virus; why else do medical staff all wear them if they don't do anything? It isn't 100% effective but it's a hell of a lot better than nothing. ALL medics give an opinion and sometimes request a second opinion from another if there may be some doubt about a diagnosis, for example. The legal profession is no different in that regard.
Heres a simple straight forward question that none of them are capable of answering. What percentage does wear a mask stop the virus?

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Heres a simple straight forward question that none of them are capable of answering. What percentage does wear a mask stop the virus?

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How the **** should I know? Do you? I prefer to take precautions as advised by people who know what they're talking about, rather than whine about 'rights' and 'constitutions' and alleged violations thereof.
 
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