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Mask order issued for entire state of Texas

joko104 said:
"THIS virus" :roll:

Show me a study that applies to THIS (me) homo sapien - using your logic.
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Yes, different viruses spread differently and affect people in different ways. For example, I'm not suggesting you wear masks to prevent getting or spreading HIV. Are you suggesting otherwise?
 
AJG said:
So you believe that all the scientists who support wearing masks are being motivated to do so because of politics, money and power? Do you believe there's some sort of conspiracy that all the scientific articles on this are being manipulated somehow by liberals and the MSM?
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Of course they aren't being manipulated, they are just selectively quoted. For example, a study from Canada in 2016:

Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review - Oral Health Group

Face masks don't work. Period.
 
maxparrish said:
Of course they aren't being manipulated, they are just selectively quoted. For example, a study from Canada in 2016:

Why Face Masks Don’t Work: A Revealing Review - Oral Health Group

Face masks don't work. Period.
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I did not selectively quote the studies I provided. The quotes I pulled from them were from their conclusions and are consistent with their findings. They are based on very recent research and data specific to COVID-19, and they have shown that face masks work. These studies are far more relevant and recent compared to your cherry picked article, so why should I take yours more seriously?
 
AJG said:
I did not selectively quote the studies I provided. The quotes I pulled from them were from their conclusions and are consistent with their findings. They are based on very recent research and data specific to COVID-19, and they have shown that face masks work. These studies are far more relevant and recent compared to your cherry picked article, so why should I take yours more seriously?
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I should have said selectively CITED, not quoted. And second, any article written after the rise of COVID that claims that masks are effective must necessarily be tainted by the politically correct approved thinking...anything written before has the benefit of not having an axe to grind.
 
AJG said:
I did not selectively quote the studies I provided. The quotes I pulled from them were from their conclusions and are consistent with their findings. They are based on very recent research and data specific to COVID-19, and they have shown that face masks work. These studies are far more relevant and recent compared to your cherry picked article, so why should I take yours more seriously?
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I should have said selectively CITED, not quoted. And second, any article written after the rise of COVID that claims that masks are effective must necessarily be tainted by the politically correct approved thinking...anything written before has the benefit of not having an axe to grind.

PS This link provides a review of "mask studies", cites SEVEN peer reviewed studies that find them substantially or totally ineffective, and cites 24 studies and expert reviews supporting critical aspects that suggest why such masking fails (or has failed).

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader

The mask fetish is at the very least deeply suspect, and far more faith based than supported by field experience.

And you do know that the 4 Nordic/Scandinavian countries do not recommend masks as a general rule...right?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, and Texas allowed no exceptions for 'people of color' like Oregon did.
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You mean "an Oregon county", because you make it sound like all of Oregon mandates this.

And maybe they are right, black people often get stopped and "investigated" because a police officer claims they look like someone they are looking for. How about "be on the on the lookout for a black man with a mask", yeah, that is going to go swimmingly.

Hands up, you are detained, you are fitting the description of a black man with a mask.

- But officer I am innocent.

Now stop resisting or we will use force

- but you got the wrong man

you are black right? Wearing a mask right? Then you fit the description. Now on your knees, interlock your fingers behind your back or I will taser you!!


And don't tell me unarmed men do not get shot or killed. Hands up as a black person can still get you hit in the head and even when handcuffed on the floor a cop can stomp you on the head/kick you on the head.


Do I think such exemptions are wrong, yup, but I don't know the situation in that town. People often get jittery (and not just police alone) when a black man wears a mask. Maybe that is the reason but personally I think no such exemptions should exist.
 
Ikari said:
Wasn't that just one county in Oregon and didn't that exception go away?

An Oregon county drops its mask exemption for people of color after racist response - CNN
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But finish the story(LOL)

"The expressions of racism regarding the exception has created a ripple of fear throughout our communities of color. The very policy meant to protect them, is now making them a target for further discrimination and harassment," Lincoln County leaders said Wednesday.
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joko104 said:
You are claiming that all experts had always lied for years and years - and even the experts you cite to wearing masks also were liars for years and years. Why do you Claim that until May, 2020, every medical expert, every study done, the CDC - all lied week after month after year after year after year?

"Liberals" don't exist anymore and the MSM is just the propaganda of the richest people on earth. Covid-19 has profited the super rich by trillions of dollars and eliminated tens of thousands of their competitors - destroying the merchant class.

You don't know what the hell all the experts say anyway. You only hear those allowed on TV - meaning allowed by and paid to speak by the richest people on earth.

The BIG LIE is that all experts recommend wearing masks. IN FACT, ALL experts recommended NOT wearing masks. Every study did. All medical material did. The CDC did. Even the so-called experts now - who are only allowed on TV if they NOW say wear masks - ALL said not to wear masks and they all refuse to wear masks themselves.
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Why are you so envious of wealthy people? You seem to mention them frequently, and jealousy isn't an attractive quality.
 
joko104 said:
The governor of Texas reduced his chances of Republicans holding Texas. If he's just another totalitarian control freak Democrat, what's the difference? Cowardly Republican politicians who stupidly believe if they kiss the MSM and press' asses they will be favored are idiots who lose elections.
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Failure to keep voters safe lose elections. Just wait until November.
 
Glowpun said:
Can de Santis of Florida be arrested for crimes against humanity?
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Not as long as Trump and Barr are in office. Trump will probably give him the medal of freedom renamed to brown noser of the year.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: Mask order issued for entire state of Texas

Whoa! The great state of Texas is mandating masks? It's about time they joined the 21st Century!

Your fellow states thank you, Texas. Please tell your other non-compliant-state buddies to join you!
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So if you were in Texas you would vote for the Republican governor because of this, correct?
 
armycowboy said:
At least Abbott had the guts to change his mind. Unlike Desantis in Fl, doubling down on stupid. We do have to ensure LtGov Partick never becomes governor, though.
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I am actually fairly surprised at that. Let's see how strict he is going to enforce it.
 
Schism said:
Oregon too. Washington State began last week I think.

I don't have a problem with it. We've been wearing masks in public since the beginning and limiting where we go. Essentially, my family is still locked down, with the exception of grocery store or take out orders.

I even wore a mask during my haircut a couple weeks ago.

EDIT: I've had to visit Lowe's and Home Depot a few times. Also went to the garden center for my veggies in the Victory Garden.
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So why is the death rate from covid-19 in Washington state per million at 198 more than double that of Texas at 96 per , which never had a mask requirement?covid 19 death rate by state usa - Google Search

Once again, masks do not protect people They kill people. They do not stop the spread of covid-19. They spread covid-19.

In addition to that generally, do you really not understand the difference between someone being infected by covid-19 and someone dying of covid-19? If you do have covid-19, which at first you won't know, wearing a mask dramatically increases the chance that you will die of covid-19 rather than recover from it.

But you explain it. Why does Washington state have over twice the death rate of Texas?
 
joko104 said:
So if you were in Texas you would vote for the Republican governor because of this, correct?
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You always got the personal angle going-on, eh?

I would vote for the guy I believe that best represents my interests. I've voted Republican before. Unfortunately for the Republicans at this time, they absolutely do not represent my interests.

But quite honestly, I don't think the time is too far off to possibly see a Blue Texas. So the question may be moot.
 
RAMOSS said:
I am actually fairly surprised at that. Let's see how strict he is going to enforce it.
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No, the question is whether police will enforce it. But they shouldn't because if they do they might act on the desire of police to murder people, right?
 
Chomsky said:
You always got the personal angle going-on, eh?

I would vote for the guy I believe that best represents my interests. I've voted Republican before. Unfortunately for the Republicans at this time, they absolutely do not represent my interests.
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Well, actually it was more generic. Will any Democrat now vote for him that otherwise would not? My guess is no. Therefore, it was a politically unwise decision and just knuckling under to the MSM and press, nothing else.

Candidly, the death rate of Texas was quite low. 96 per 1,000,000 known infections. covid 19 death rate by state usa - Google Search

If that death rate increases rather than declines, it means his trying to patronize the MSM killed Texans. Masks kill people. They kill people by covid-19. They kill people by heart attacks and strokes. They kill people by accidents.
 
maxparrish said:
I should have said selectively CITED, not quoted. And second, any article written after the rise of COVID that claims that masks are effective must necessarily be tainted by the politically correct approved thinking...anything written before has the benefit of not having an axe to grind.
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That scenario sounds like a conspiracy theory concept. I noticed you had to resort to an opinion piece that had been taken down 4 years ago.
 
Chomsky said:
But quite honestly, I don't think the time is too far off to possibly see a Blue Texas. So the question may be moot.
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To respond to the second half of your message. The governor is making that happen. For Republicans to continue to win in Texas they have to act like Texas Republicans, not like California Democrats. Republicans are dependent on Latino votes in Texas - and historically Republicans receive FAR more Latino votes in Texas than most other states.

Why? Because Texas remains super pro-business, meaning lots and lots of jobs. It means the government off your back. If the governor of Texas is just another political hack kissing the ass of the super rich - ie the MSM/Press/Internet super billionaires - then he's nothing at all.
 
maxparrish said:
I should have said selectively CITED, not quoted. And second, any article written after the rise of COVID that claims that masks are effective must necessarily be tainted by the politically correct approved thinking...anything written before has the benefit of not having an axe to grind.

PS This link provides a review of "mask studies", cites SEVEN peer reviewed studies that find them substantially or totally ineffective, and cites 24 studies and expert reviews supporting critical aspects that suggest why such masking fails (or has failed).

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy | River Cities' Reader

The mask fetish is at the very least deeply suspect, and far more faith based than supported by field experience.

And you do know that the 4 Nordic/Scandinavian countries do not recommend masks as a general rule...right?
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Thanks for studies, I'll be sure to look through them.
 
RAMOSS said:
That scenario sounds like a conspiracy theory concept. I noticed you had to resort to an opinion piece that had been taken down 4 years ago.
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If that is what you noticed then its no wonder that the recognition a basis for bias sounds like a conspiracy to you. After all, the link I provided was NOT to a opinion piece taken down four years ago, but to a paper WRITTEN four years ago.

In fact, it was removed from access very recently precisely because too many folk found it of interest as evidence of masks not being effective - once it was cited by Alex Berenson, the journal removed the paper.
 
Rexedgar said:
Do people of color have different respiratory systems?
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'People of color' tend to not have the $ to afford masks, specifically black people.
 
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