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Holy Crap! Huge Jump in COVID Cases Today

Ultimately the rubber meets the road with that kind of thinking because it ends up being impractical. If people continue down this road, then they are inviting all of the consequences they're trying to avoid. Not everyone will feel the same way, and whether there's government mandated restrictions or not, if those who are more socially responsible will likely continue to curb their activities and spending. So if you favor a continued extension of the economic malaise, that "freedom of choice" is the likely consequence.

If people continue down that road the death rate will continue to fall as the immune systems correct the problem. If you continue giving up individual freedoms you make our country no different than others around the world with massive gov't nanny state policies
 
I present facts you cannot argue with and you call that "spin"? Try harder next time, and maybe your posts won't look so foolish. And maybe don't include someone else's post in answer to mine? Thanks.

I could never look as foolish as members of the left and foreigners interfering in our U.S. elections
 
I could never look as foolish as members of the left and foreigners interfering in our U.S. elections

Who exactly is interfering in your election-apart from Russia? Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't get too pompous or hypocritical about foreigners interfering in your elections when the US does exactly that with any foreign nation that isn't playing by American rules. Examples provided on request; including legitimate democracies overthrown by the US.
 
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Who exactly is interfering in your election-apart from Russia?

Propaganda that you spew is no different than the propaganda supposedly promoted by Russia, but we are way off the topic here. Have you figured out yet why our death rate in the United Kingdom is so much worse than the world and this country?
 
If people continue down that road the death rate will continue to fall as the immune systems correct the problem. If you continue giving up individual freedoms you make our country no different than others around the world with massive gov't nanny state policies

That would hold some weight if the hospitalizations aren't where they are. So far we've seen an increase in that area which has adversely affected the ability to handle the surge, and of course the long term impacts of the disease (lung issues etc.) which makes recovery not so simple. If you look at the countries which have been successful, it isn't because they're "nanny states" but because people responded the way they needed to to curb the disease. Our failure has been due to a divided action, and as a result our economic recovery is pushed back. You continue to mention "freedom of choice" only as it relates to those who choose to make bad decisions, and not those who want to move forward.
 
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Propaganda that you spew is no different than the propaganda supposedly promoted by Russia, but we are way off the topic here. Have you figured out yet why our death rate in the United Kingdom is so much worse than the world and this country?

Except that it isn't. ALL our rates of death, infection and hospital admission are falling through the floor. You can post your silly percentage chart as often as you like but it doesn't change the fact that your rates are through the roof, with many states struggling to cope, while Europe's are rapidly declining. Or haven't you been following the news?
 
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That would hold some weight if the hospitalizations aren't where they are. So far we've seen an increase in that area which has adversely affected the ability to handle the surge, and of course the long term impacts of the disease (lung issues etc.) which makes recovery not so simple. If you look at the countries which have been successful, it isn't because they're "nanny states" but because people responded the way they needed to to curb the disease. Our failure has been due to a divided action, and as a result our economic recovery. You continue to mention "freedom of choice" only as it relates to those who choose to make bad decisions, and not those who want to move forward.

Reports from Houston today is hospitals are at 43% capacity, you buy what the media spins totally ignoring the actual results
 
Except that it isn't. ALL our rates of death and infection are falling through the floor. You can post your silly chart as often as you like but it doesn't change the fact that your rates are through the roof, while Europe's are rapidly declining. Or haven't you been following the news?

Falling through the floor? They only had one way to go and still exceed the world rate
 
We've gotten a smidge off the topic discussing the freedom to be stupid and dangerous to others, so I'm going to make one note while I steer back to the subject: the "freedom" not to follow a necessary law (wearing a mask, for example) is not enshrined in the Constitution anywhere, but I'll say, for the sake of argument, that it's included in the penumbra of the 9th Amendment's "retained" rights. It's certainly not a "fundamental" right (although it is somewhat mental). But all that is kinda beside the point. No "right", expressed or not, is sacrosanct. All are subject to limitation.

Going maskless in public creates a threat to the public, and is therefore subject to reasonable regulation. As an analogy, carrying a firearm in public is authorized almost everywhere, but pointing a firearm at random strangers (loaded or not) is prohibited almost everywhere. In many jurisdictions, firearms are prohibited in certain venues: bars, courts, public parks, etc. In this instance, going without a mask is prohibited in only certain locations as well. No one is requiring people to wear masks at home, or in your car, but only when in contact with others. Your face is the equivalent of a gun, and we can't tell if it's loaded or not.

In short, it's a really stupid, vacuous argument only made by arrogant idiots. Now back to the actual subject of the thread.

Yesterday continued the pattern of the last months - more that 50,000 new cases nationally, an increase of over 10 percent from the day before, but consistent with the 7- day average. The death rate continues its slow decline, consistent with the previous weeks and with the pattern in other jurisdictions. The virus continues its spread within the population more rapidly than in the last month.

There is some preliminary research that indicates the virus in Arizona has mutated into a more transmissible form, which is worrying medicos.
 
Exceeding the world rate? That's America's specialty:

Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data

Oh, I'm sorry, you've just been overtaken by impoverished Brazil.

So sorry but your country has lost 44236 citizens to the virus, TX with 30 million population has lost 2665. I mourn the loss of any life but continue to point out the fact that you have no business even involved in this country's issues when you have your own problem

Overtaken, 328 million Americans with a .9% infection rate the same as Brazil and 220 million people?
 
So sorry but your country has lost 44236 citizens to the virus, TX with 30 million population has lost 2665. I mourn the loss of any life but continue to point out the fact that you have no business even involved in this country's issues when you have your own problem

Overtaken, 328 million Americans with a .9% infection rate the same as Brazil and 220 million people?
Your posts get more and more ridiculous each day.


Hospitals across Texas prepare to hit capacity amid surge in coronavirus cases
 
So sorry but your country has lost 44236 citizens to the virus, TX with 30 million population has lost 2665. I mourn the loss of any life but continue to point out the fact that you have no business even involved in this country's issues when you have your own problem

Overtaken, 328 million Americans with a .9% infection rate the same as Brazil and 220 million people?

I smell...desperation. And it isn't me.
 

and you get more and more desperate every day posting bull**** statistics as if you care but I did make a mistake and apologize for it as my news was about a specific area of the state as listed below

Texas won't say which hospitals are hitting capacity | The Texas Tribune

According to data from DSHS, the state had 1,322 available intensive care unit beds and close to 13,000 available hospital beds Wednesday. But there are important regional disparities. The Northeast Texas Regional Advisory Council reported Wednesday that 43% of its hospital beds are in use with 92 ICU beds available, while the East Texas Gulf Coast Regional Advisory Council, which includes nine counties and more than 1.3 million people, is 83% full with only 10 open ICU beds.
 
Population density, look it up.

The UK Has More People Than The 27 Least Populous US States Combined – Brilliant Maps

Texas is huge, and sparsely populated. The UK is the opposite. Think about that for a second.

Have thought about it a lot, love living in TX and couldn't live in your country and regardless this is a bogus issue to even discuss. Why is the rise in infections in this country even of concern to you? What political points do you think you are earning with your posts?
 
Have thought about it a lot, love living in TX and couldn't live in your country and regardless this is a bogus issue to even discuss. Why is the rise in infections in this country even of concern to you? What political points do you think you are earning with your posts?

UK, population density, 1010/sq.m.
Texas, population density, 109/sq.m.

Try not to change the subject ("political points", which I never mentioned).
 
His narrative is screwy and dangerous, just like his king.



No thanks, I cannot vote for the party that has supporters of these issues and has the potential to implement them. I will be voting for Trump. Obviously these issues resonate with someone who has no understanding of U.S. History

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

The party that Kaepernick supports Kaepernick Is Wanting the Rage Mob to Cancel the 4th of July
The Party of AOC and the Squad
The party of Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, Schiff and impeachment for political reasons
The party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property
 
No thanks, I cannot vote for the party that has supporters of these issues and has the potential to implement them. I will be voting for Trump. Obviously these issues resonate with someone who has no understanding of U.S. History

The party that supports the defunding of police?

The Party that wants to take away your freedom of Choice

The party that the anarchists, radicals, racists are going to support

The party that Kaepernick supports Kaepernick Is Wanting the Rage Mob to Cancel the 4th of July
The Party of AOC and the Squad
The party of Pelosi, Schumer, Waters, Schiff and impeachment for political reasons
The party that kneels for the National Anthem and promotes the BLM national Anthem

The party that supports BLM while ignoring that ALL lives matter including the unborn

The party that doesn't condemn the destruction of U.S. Monuments

The party that promotes Class envy

The Party that participates in the politics of personal destruction

The party that promotes Jealousy and totalitarianism

The party that had the most violent and most actual protests, looting, and destruction of property

You have a great imagination; you should try your hand at writing fantasy novels:lol:
 
and you get more and more desperate every day posting bull**** statistics as if you care but I did make a mistake and apologize for it as my news was about a specific area of the state as listed below

Texas won't say which hospitals are hitting capacity | The Texas Tribune
Apparently reading your own sources is too much of an effort for you:
Hospital officials in Houston and other parts of the state recently warned that hospitals could get overwhelmed if the number of infections keeps climbing. Statewide, 6,904 patients in Texas were hospitalized with COVID-19 on Wednesday — a figure that has been going up nearly every day since June 1.
I also think that you have no idea what any of these numbers mean, you're just using the typical "spaghetti" approach to debate obfuscation - throw a bunch of meaningless sentences out to disguise the fact that the "data" is meaningless. Texas is a ****ing big State, so regional numbers are important. How many new patients are required to fill up TEN friggin' beds? Unlike you, I do actual research: Texas Fact Sheet: Acute Care Hospitals 2016 - DSHS; Texas Medical Center hit 100% ICU bed occupancy, then didn't report data for 3 days (Becker's) - June 29. [Note: Today is July 7. SEE: Texas Hospitalizations.jpg]

Here's a little free education: percentages are useful tools when you know what they represent. 10% of 1000 beds is significantly different than 10% of 100.
On June 28, the health system re-posted many of the missing slides, including ICU bed capacity data, updating how the information was presented. The data and projections on the slides remained the same.

The new slides reflect that the health system could create additional ICU beds at its facilities, which would lower ICU bed occupancy from 93 percent to 72 percent. Houston Methodist CEO Marc Boom, MD, told the Houston Chronicle that it would be "challenging" but "doable" to convert 373 more TMC hospital beds into ICU beds. The ICU bed capacity slide posted on June 28 includes a message that says the 93 percent phase 1 ICU capacity "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to Medical / Surgical beds and potentially by delaying some procedures."

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott ordered hospitals in some areas, including Houston, to halt elective surgical procedures on June 25 to preserve ICU beds for COVID-19 patients. The new charts show 31 percent of TMC's ICU beds are occupied by COVID-19 patients.

What one actually learns by looking at the underlying data, is that the limited capacity identified on June 29 has been exceeded by the daily admissions tracked by Texas Medical Center. THAT'S why it is not being "reported".
 
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