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Holy Crap! Huge Jump in COVID Cases Today

calamity said:
What kind of unhinged post is this?

We are talking about COVID.
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Yes, we are talking about Communist brutality, control of the media through brute force preventing accurate information to get out of the country, 84,000 cases in a county of 1 billion people, 4400 deaths? Yes, that is exactly what people like you promote, false information for your own personal agenda
 
Conservative said:
Hope there are openings in the school of logic and common sense for people like you. Looks to me exactly like the best country for you where the media is manipulated, people are controlled, no freedom of choice and a gov't to tell you exactly what to do and controlling your life
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:lamo I see that the discussion has run down to the point of childness. Bye.
 
avatar said:
You keep repeating the same meme as if that will make it truth. Have fun.
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The table is neither a "a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users" nor "an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation".

The table is a daily updated consolidation of available data.

It would stand you in good stead if you actually learned the difference.
 
marke said:
I see testing is increasing as are numbers of Americans who got the virus and got over it. Are deaths increasing also? If so, should we continue to trash the economy in hopes we can stop the dying before destroying any hope of recovery from the fiscal depression it is causing?
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There is no trade-off between controlling the virus and economic growth — you have to control the virus to have sustainable growth.
 
avatar said:
Sorry. Is it that you expect me to accept "what ifs" as proof of factual events?
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Please at least make what could possibly be confused with a pathetically ineffectual attempt at reading for content.

avatar said:
Can't see any reality in that, just silly arguments to prove a nonexistent point.
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There is a reason why the first word in "Discussion Politics" is "discussion".

avatar said:
There's a reason China won't allow Americans to enter the country at this time for any reason with or without a test or quarantine.
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True, and your point is - what?

avatar said:
The same is true for Europe except that I'm not sure if a negative test wouldn't bypass the exclusion.
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True, and your point is - what?

avatar said:
Attempts to claim that all their numbers are fake are IMO simply politically generated in the face of real evidence from family members and students.
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Please tell that to someone who doesn't already think that - like "any member of 'Claque Trump'".

avatar said:
We are digging a hole into which China is stepping as one of the major players in the area.
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You got your metaphor a bit scrambled, but your point that it is the actions of the US government that are lessening the influence of the United States of America and creating a lacuna of influence that the government of the PRC is more than willing to fill is clear (and very likely valid).

avatar said:
It's a shame that we allow memes to do that to us.
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It may be "a shame" but it is a fact of American domestic political life that at present

"memes" have supplanted thought,

"sound bites" have supplanted reason,

"image" has supplanted quality,

and

"electability" has supplanted qualification.
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avatar said:
Um, claiming one bad thing to blame another is not solid logic. Flu needlessly kills because sick people won't stay home till they are better.

These days that seems to be something to be proud of.
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If everyone hid in their bedroom closets from the flu then the rest of the country might begin to starve to death for lack of business activity including the movement of foodstuffs they had been depending on all their lives to stay alive.
 
marke said:
If everyone hid in their bedroom closets from the flu then the rest of the country might begin to starve to death for lack of business activity including the movement of foodstuffs they had been depending on all their lives to stay alive.
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:roll:
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Why not consult the daily update of the COVID-19 data that is available at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19?
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Dummies who think it may take two or three years of shutdowns to kill the virus are probably right, but they sure as hell don't know a damn thing about the essential elements of economic survivability in the real world.
 
jpn said:
There is no trade-off between controlling the virus and economic growth — you have to control the virus to have sustainable growth.
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If the economy collapses then good luck finding doctors and nurses willing to care for the sick for free since there will be no wages for labor like before.
 
marke said:
If everyone hid in their bedroom closets from the flu then the rest of the country might begin to starve to death for lack of business activity including the movement of foodstuffs they had been depending on all their lives to stay alive.
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You can not even fathom how retarded is that line of excuses, because stupidity like that can not be called reasoning.
 
marke said:
If the economy collapses then good luck finding doctors and nurses willing to care for the sick for free since there will be no wages for labor like before.
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The economy does not have to colapse.
 
Latest study in!

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This is why Australia was so successful and idiotic US listens to morons on CNN and Fauci!
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Please at least make what could possibly be confused with a pathetically ineffectual attempt at reading for content.



There is a reason why the first word in "Discussion Politics" is "discussion".



True, and your point is - what?



True, and your point is - what?



Please tell that to someone who doesn't already think that - like "any member of 'Claque Trump'".



You got your metaphor a bit scrambled, but your point that it is the actions of the US government that are lessening the influence of the United States of America and creating a lacuna of influence that the government of the PRC is more than willing to fill is clear (and very likely valid).



It may be "a shame" but it is a fact of American domestic political life that at present

"memes" have supplanted thought,

"sound bites" have supplanted reason,

"image" has supplanted quality,

and

"electability" has supplanted qualification.
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The point is that they slowed the virus to a crawl months ago and won't let Americans in because we aren't slowing it. Instead we are still attempting to blame someone else because no self respecting country could ever do it better than we could.

Means you.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The table is neither a "a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc., that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users" nor "an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation".

The table is a daily updated consolidation of available data.

It would stand you in good stead if you actually learned the difference.
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It's a daily tabulation of data that you are trying to sell as false. Can't you seen the humor in using the data availability to attempt to prove that the data is false.

I suspect that escapes you too.
 
jpn said:
There is no trade-off between controlling the virus and economic growth — you have to control the virus to have sustainable growth.
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A few states seem to be doing just that. Of course the binary this or that crowd can't possibly accept that as a good idea.
 
marke said:
Dummies who think it may take two or three years of shutdowns to kill the virus are probably right, but they sure as hell don't know a damn thing about the essential elements of economic survivability in the real world.
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And those who think that THE ONLY THING that is being done to "kill the virus" is "social distancing" (which includes "shutdowns") are either,

  1. radically misinformed;
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  2. total fools;
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  3. malicious panic spreaders;
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  4. political opportunists;
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    or;
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  5. some combination of two or more of the above.
 
I support a COVID monument for Trump.

"He Golfed while Hundreds of Thousands Died"
 
avatar said:
The point is that they slowed the virus to a crawl months ago and won't let Americans in because we aren't slowing it.
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Essentially true, but in some cases it is still a fairly fast crawl.

avatar said:
Instead we are still attempting to blame someone else because no self respecting country could ever do it better than we could.
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Not quite, the "Republicans" (whatever that means) are blaming the "Democrats" (whatever that means) and the "Democrats" (whatever that means) are blaming the "Republicans" (whatever that means) and almost everyone is doing their very best to ignore reality (by either minimizing or exaggerating the conclusions that can be drawn from the known facts).

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Means you.
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Really? How so? Exactly who do you see me accusing of CAUSING COVID-19?

Where leadership exists for COMBATING COVID-19, I recognize it, where it doesn't I also recognize it.
 
avatar said:
It's a daily tabulation of data that you are trying to sell as false.
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I suspect that your perception is "slightly" out of touch with reality.

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Can't you seen the humor in using the data availability to attempt to prove that the data is false.
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Indeed, I could. If that was what I was doing.
 
Conservative said:
You look at infections, I look at deaths per infection, the two bluest state of them all leads the pack in infections

6/29/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 2638086 128103 4.9%

New York 392930 24842 6.3%

California 216550 5936 2.7%

New Jersey 171272 14992 8.8%

Texas 153011 2403 1.6%

Florida 146341 3447 2.4%

Illinois 142461 6902 4.8%

Massachusetts 108768 8041 7.4%

Canada 103918 8566 8.2%

Great Britain 311965 43575 14.0%

WORLD 10154984 502048 4.9%
China 83531 4634 5.5%
Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing
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What that indicates is a spreading of the infection, which means a larger portion of the population developing immunity. Since the Red states didn't lock everyone up and tell them to be sheep, they have been developing immunity more rapidly. Either that or red state populations are healthier and more resistant to the effects of the virus. Also Florida's rise can be directly related to the snowbirds from NY going to the sunshine state. NY's rise is because the Mayor told everybody to go out and eat and go to a show.
 
marke said:
Maybe they will go down in spite of human plans and efforts. Science is still unsettled on those issues.
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I see that you are counting on "divine intervention" and "mass miracle cures" rather than the "Biblical" "God helps those who help themselves." (which isn't actually in "The Bible", but which is [in paraphrase] in the Qur'an {13:11} "Indeed Allah will not change the conditions of a population until they change what is in themselves.".)
 
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