Record 3,200 New Coronavirus Cases in Florida, as State Surpasses 85,900 Cases

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

dcaraz said:
My point is that in America, ANY lying by government to cover up bad news, screw ups or mismanagement is a type of anti democratic corruption.
Does not matter if it is done by Democrats or Republicans or Independents. Does not matter if government cover up is by the New York City police which
has often been embroiled in cases of deadly force that has killed unarmed citizens, or if done by Florida State which added the state's Covid-19 data manager
to the unemployment line--evidently because the governor felt accurate pandemic data is not needed for Floridians.

And the tens of millions of Americans who read the results of the Mueller investigation and understand the degree to which Trump has abused his office will be heard in November.
I wonder what you will be posting condescending comments about post-Trump.

Here's the problem, everything that Trump says that isn't true is called a lie, that isn't reality, when Obama did it the left called it a mistake, what is the difference here? You cannot seem to grasp that reality and the reality that nothing Trump supposedly did rose to the level of a High crime and misdemeanor

The radical left has been trying to get rid of Trump since November 2016 and now they are trying to do it with the coronavirus as everything else has failed. You people don't seem to grasp the reality that Results matter, not your opinions and feelings.

By the way here are the latest Results today

6/22/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 2355680 122132 5.2%

New York 388488 30927 8.0%

New Jersey 169415 12895 7.6%

Massachusetts 107210 7874 7.3%

Illinois 138224 6875 5.0%

California 178054 5515 3.1%

Texas 114881 2192 1.9%

Florida 100217 3173 3.2%

Canada 101637 8436 8.3%

WORLD 8546919 456726 5.3%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

dcaraz · Jun 23, 2020

Conservative said:
Please stop the liberal bs and think with your brain. This country was built on individual freedoms including those to make bad choices. You want to control someone else's choices and therein lies your problem. You aren't in the majority and freedoms lost cannot be easily recaptured

Your lies are too abundant. Sensible people make up the majority of Americans.
We are the majority who will not make another bad choice regarding Trump's thirst for re-election.
We are the majority who will wear masks in public, socially distance and wash our hands until a proven Covid vaccine -- or broad based herd immunity -- reduces infection rates.
WE are the majority who don't respect the rugged individuals who selfishly want to go about unmasked potentially infecting others.
We are the majority who are sickened by the lack of leadership Trump has provided while he makes BS up in his sad attempt to urge supporters to attend Covid Rallies.
We are the majority who will vote to send Trump back to the golf course.
When Trump is gone what will you have to defend?

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

dcaraz;1072127306]Your lies are too abundant. Sensible people make up the majority of Americans.

There you go again making claims you cannot substantiate all based upon your personal opinion

We are the majority who will not make another bad choice regarding Trump's thirst for re-election.

No, you think you are the majority, not even close

We are the majority who will wear masks in public, socially distance and wash our hands until a proven Covid vaccine -- or broad based herd immunity -- reduces infection rates.

Great, why do you need a federal, state, or local bureaucrat to tell you what to do and wear?

WE are the majority who don't respect the rugged individuals who selfishly want to go about unmasked potentially infecting others.

Our Freedoms provided to us in the Constitution and by our military gives us the right to make that choice even if wrong

We are the majority who are sickened by the lack of leadership Trump has provided while he makes BS up in his sad attempt to urge supporters to attend Covid Rallies.

Yes, you are indeed sickened in hatred of a President who doesn't have the authority to do what you claim you need. Urging supporters isn't forcing supporters and people have a way of deciding what to do without rhetoric

We are the majority who will vote to send Trump back to the golf course.

With Biden as the alternative the the results generated don't think so, Trump another four years

When Trump is gone what will you have to defend?

Will always defend conservative values and post data supporting those values something you are incapable of doing. Seems you want to ignore the Democratic actions during this pandemic and the proposals THEY offered and then supported. It is bipartisan economic results during this pandemic and Trump economic policy results prior. You ignored the pre pandemic results and now want to blame him for the current bipartisan pandemic economic results

dcaraz · Jun 23, 2020

minnie616 said:
So yes , use a mask , social distance and use precautions. I agree that is the smart way as we must remember even though we wish Covid would just disappear it will not. each state, each city, each person has to do their part to help contain Covid 19.

Covid 19 is not a political crisis/issue. Covid 19 is a health crisis. We are all in this together.

When a state or region or city is in the Critical infection rate it may to take more restrictions to help slow the spread.

Unfortunately, your common sense points are being ignored in too many towns, cities, and states.
Covid has become part of the Culture War. My family wear masks when food shopping. Yet we are surrounded by hardy individuals who refuse to wear a mask, gather shoulder to shoulder with buddies and laugh and drink while ignoring all the talk about infection curves, asymptomatic spread and fact that Covid has killed nearly a half million persons. And the global rate of new cases continues to increase dramatically.

Our president's response? "Get your tickets for my traveling re-election rallies! But sign the waver. Remember, in case you contract Covid and die, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE!"

Coronavirus Update (Live): 9,221,528 Cases and 474,999 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Thoreau72 · Jun 23, 2020

Casper said:
Testing does not result in the huge spike in hospitalizations and deaths, just so you know.

No, but it does result in larger numbers which help the media effort to sensationalize and fear monger. I wonder how many of those hospitalizations result from anxiety attacks in frightened patients?

Casper · Jun 23, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
No, but it does result in larger numbers which help the media effort to sensationalize and fear monger. I wonder how many of those hospitalizations result from anxiety attacks in frightened patients?

Sorry, but people are not admitted to ICUs due to anxiety.
Where testing does come in is to identify how wide spread the virus is and gives governments a clearer picture of their situation, hence why some don't want a lot of testing it shows how bad the situation really is. One can either read the data and trends and react appropriately or simply ignore and hope for the best, the virus thrives on the second plan.

Thoreau72 · Jun 23, 2020

Casper said:
Sorry, but people are not admitted to ICUs due to anxiety.
Where testing does come in is to identify how wide spread the virus is and gives governments a clearer picture of their situation, hence why some don't want a lot of testing it shows how bad the situation really is. One can either read the data and trends and react appropriately or simply ignore and hope for the best, the virus thrives on the second plan.

Yes, one can read the data and react, but the more sophisticated amongst us are able to understand that when the data is horribly inaccurate that data is meaningless for all practical purposes. Garbage in = garbage out. Would an acronym be GIGO? :lol:

Casper · Jun 23, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
Yes, one can read the data and react, but the more sophisticated amongst us are able to understand that when the data is horribly inaccurate that data is meaningless for all practical purposes. Garbage in = garbage out. Would an acronym be GIGO? :lol:

The you collect better data, you don't just throw up you hands and hope for the best.

Thoreau72 · Jun 23, 2020

Casper said:
The you collect better data, you don't just throw up you hands and hope for the best.

Caveat Emptor is a guide for many things in life. Buyer beware.

dcaraz · Jun 23, 2020

Conservative said:
...everything that Trump says that isn't true is called a lie, that isn't reality, when Obama did it the left called it a mistake, what is the difference here?

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The biggest difference which I am sure you already are aware of, is the Donald Trump studied for years in the 1970s and 1980s under the tutelage of Roy Cohn.
Cohn taught Trump the tools of demagoguery, lying and bluffing and threatening--all the "skills" Cohn used to help protect the criminal mob bosses he protected and supported with money laundering.

You cannot seem to grasp that reality and the reality that nothing Trump supposedly did rose to the level of a High crime and misdemeanor...

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The radical left has been trying to get rid of Trump since November 2016 and now they are trying to do it with the coronavirus as everything else has failed.

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Of course. You and your cronies helped elect Trump, giving us the most sordid and incompetent POTUS since 1900.
Those of us who recognized Trump for the vulgar flimflam man that he is, have worked tirelessly to support his eventual loss in the ballot box.

You people don't seem to grasp the reality that Results matter, not your opinions and feelings.

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Wrong! Those of us who will vote Trump out of office do not like his results in general. And our opinions will fill the ballot boxes with Biden votes.
Sure, I support push back to China, but America's capitalist corporations RUSHED to build plants and move production to our Chinese Communist friends.
I also support addressing the need to curb the immigrant influx of undocumented persons. But caging kids is not an acceptable response.

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

Conservative said:
dcaraz;1072128622]

Conservative said:

The biggest difference which I am sure you already are aware of, is the Donald Trump studied for years in the 1970s and 1980s under the tutelage of Roy Cohn.

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So what, what does that have to do with the results generated after November 2016? Did you ever change from things you did in the past? This isn't even an issue to most Americans but you still want to relive the 2016 campaign

Cohn taught Trump the tools of demagoguery, lying and bluffing and threatening--all the "skills" Cohn used to help protect the criminal mob bosses he protected and supported with money laundering.

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I think Saul Alinsky taught the Democrats a more important lesson that has affected the minds of a lot of people. How has Trump hurt you, your family, or the country?

Of course. You and your cronies helped elect Trump, giving us the most sordid and incompetent POTUS since 1900.
Those of us who recognized Trump for the vulgar flimflam man that he is, have worked tirelessly to support his eventual loss in the ballot box.

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No, sorry we came off that incompetent President in 2016, someone like you who doesn't have a clue how the private sector works nor the roles and responsibilities of the President. You focus on personality and would put an incompetent from the Obama Administration back into the Oval Office, that is insanity

Wrong! Those of us who will vote Trump out of office do not like his results in general. And our opinions will fill the ballot boxes with Biden votes.
Sure, I support push back to China, but America's capitalist corporations RUSHED to build plants and move production to our Chinese Communist friends.
I also support addressing the need to curb the immigrant influx of undocumented persons. But caging kids is not an acceptable response.

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You obviously need the nanny state that other taxpayers will fund for you with the help of Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer. You see results don't matter to people like you as your ideology of spending in the name of compassion is all that matters.

Your post is filled with personal opinion generated by a lot of misinformation, did it bother you when Obama/Biden did the same thing with immigrant children?? OF course not

Family separation and detention: Obama’s border policy vs. Trump’s - Vox

Obviously social issues are the most important thing to you but it is economic issues that puts food on the table, a roof over head and clothes in the back. Trump's economic results pre pandemic are the best of any President in history for his first three years in office in total dollar GDP growth, full time job creation, and record amounts of state and local gov't revenue to take on more responsibility for social issues. Your state is the problem not the President

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

dcaraz said:
Your lies are too abundant. Sensible people make up the majority of Americans.
We are the majority who will not make another bad choice regarding Trump's thirst for re-election.
We are the majority who will wear masks in public, socially distance and wash our hands until a proven Covid vaccine -- or broad based herd immunity -- reduces infection rates.
WE are the majority who don't respect the rugged individuals who selfishly want to go about unmasked potentially infecting others.
We are the majority who are sickened by the lack of leadership Trump has provided while he makes BS up in his sad attempt to urge supporters to attend Covid Rallies.
We are the majority who will vote to send Trump back to the golf course.
When Trump is gone what will you have to defend?

This was a response to your latest post, Post 335, somehow it came back as a response to me

So what, what does that have to do with the results generated after November 2016? Did you ever change from things you did in the past? This isn't even an issue to most Americans but you still want to relive the 2016 campaign

I think Saul Alinsky taught the Democrats a more important lesson that has affected the minds of a lot of people. How has Trump hurt you, your family, or the country?

No, sorry we came off that incompetent President in 2016, someone like you who doesn't have a clue how the private sector works nor the roles and responsibilities of the President. You focus on personality and would put an incompetent from the Obama Administration back into the Oval Office, that is insanity

You obviously need the nanny state that other taxpayers will fund for you with the help of Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer. You see results don't matter to people like you as your ideology of spending in the name of compassion is all that matters.

Your post is filled with personal opinion generated by a lot of misinformation, did it bother you when Obama/Biden did the same thing with immigrant children?? OF course not

Family separation and detention: Obama’s border policy vs. Trump’s - Vox

Obviously social issues are the most important thing to you but it is economic issues that puts food on the table, a roof over head and clothes in the back. Trump's economic results pre pandemic are the best of any President in history for his first three years in office in total dollar GDP growth, full time job creation, and record amounts of state and local gov't revenue to take on more responsibility for social issues. Your state is the problem not the President[/QUOTE]

Jay59 · Jun 23, 2020

Casper said:
The you collect better data, you don't just throw up you hands and hope for the best.

We can do that.

April 21--2,693 deaths
June 21--267 deaths

It's better.

minnie616 · Jun 23, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
Yes, one can read the data and react, but the more sophisticated amongst us are able to understand that when the data is horribly inaccurate that data is meaningless for all practical purposes. Garbage in = garbage out. Would an acronym be GIGO? :lol:

Actually, if the confirmed cases is high relative to the numbers of tests testing, this suggests that there is not be enough tests being carried out In such states, the true number of infections may be far higher than the number of confirmed cases.

From:

As virus drops off in Michigan, state preparedness improves

...

Active, infectious COVID-19 cases are falling in Michigan. As of June 18, each positive individual has infected 0.75 other people. That’s a much lower rate than the height of the pandemic in Michigan in mid March when it’s estimated each person infected close to two or three people.

On June 19, The positive test rate is at about 1.5% in the state, according to COVID Act Now. The low rate indicates widespread testing is being done, which helps health departments get a picture of how many cases there are
...

This week, Grand Traverse County reported that of the 835 tests performed at Turtle Creek Stadium on May 30 and 31, only five tests came back positive. They determined the overall positivity rate is .7%.

Experts say that’s a good sign. With increased testing of asymptomatic people results can give the county a better picture of how the virus is or is not spreading.

The Grand Traverse County Health Department doesn’t have data on the total number of asymptomatic people tested. But it did report of the 37 residents who tested positive for COVID-19, 12 were asymptomatic.

Northwest Michigan Health Services, a health care provider in the region, has run 1,485 tests in Traverse City, with 80% of those tested showing no symptoms. There were nine positive tests and four were asymptomatic.

What does this mean? About .003% of the asymptomatic people tested at the Traverse City site were positive. While this is just one site, and those tested may not be representative of the population, it’s still a good sign that the virus has not spread as much among people without symptoms here.

Michigan is on track for COVID-19 containment, northern Michigan looks even better | Interlochen

minnie616 · Jun 23, 2020

Jay59 said:
We can do that.

April 21--2,693 deaths
June 21--267 deaths

It's better.

Actually, the past is in the past ; a lot of the past deaths may be attributed to using unproven medications in our fight to find one that could be effectively used against Covid 19.

With more knowledge about when to put and when not to put Covid patients on ventilators and use of the Ebola medication we now know a bit more about helps patients recover the percent of deaths from Covid 19 has gone down.

George50 · Jun 23, 2020

Conservative said:
What exactly Have I posted that isn't conservative?

If you want to call being in denial and nonsense conservative that’s fine by me.

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Jay59 · Jun 23, 2020

minnie616 said:
Actually, the past is in the past ; a lot of the past deaths may be attributed to using unproven medications in our fight to find one that could be effectively used against Covid 19. With more knowledge about when to put and when not to put Covid patients on ventilators and use of the Ebola medication we now know a bit more about helps patients recover the percent of deaths from Covid 19 has gone down.

The whole issue of counting C-19 deaths is tangled. Overcounting is near certain. If there is any chance that C-19 has contributed, hospitals will claim it as a C-19 death, because there is federal money available.

However, you count the statistics, the number of infected is now clearly more than 20% of the population, probably closer to half in some metro areas. Once recoveries hit about 65%, the virus fails for lack of new hosts. It's how humanity has always survived plagues and it is no longer far in the future.

George50 · Jun 23, 2020

Conservative said:
Here's the problem, everything that Trump says that isn't true is called a lie, that isn't reality, when Obama did it the left called it a mistake, what is the difference here? You cannot seem to grasp that reality and the reality that nothing Trump supposedly did rose to the level of a High crime and misdemeanor

The radical left has been trying to get rid of Trump since November 2016 and now they are trying to do it with the coronavirus as everything else has failed. You people don't seem to grasp the reality that Results matter, not your opinions and feelings.

By the way here are the latest Results today

6/22/2020CasesDeaths

United States23556801221325.2%

New York388488309278.0%

New Jersey169415128957.6%

Massachusetts 10721078747.3%

Illinois13822468755.0%

California 17805455153.1%

Texas11488121921.9%

Florida10021731733.2%

Canada10163784368.3%

WORLD85469194567265.3%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

The difference is that unlike any other president, Trump lies multiple times a day, every day.

Also, your results are nonsense because they assume all of the US 1 million plus active cases will live which of course is nonsense.

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George50 · Jun 23, 2020

Conservative said:
There you go again making claims you cannot substantiate all based upon your personal opinion

No, you think you are the majority, not even close

Great, why do you need a federal, state, or local bureaucrat to tell you what to do and wear?

Our Freedoms provided to us in the Constitution and by our military gives us the right to make that choice even if wrong

Yes, you are indeed sickened in hatred of a President who doesn't have the authority to do what you claim you need. Urging supporters isn't forcing supporters and people have a way of deciding what to do without rhetoric

With Biden as the alternative the the results generated don't think so, Trump another four years

Will always defend conservative values and post data supporting those values something you are incapable of doing. Seems you want to ignore the Democratic actions during this pandemic and the proposals THEY offered and then supported. It is bipartisan economic results during this pandemic and Trump economic policy results prior. You ignored the pre pandemic results and now want to blame him for the current bipartisan pandemic economic results

Hilarious how you accuse the poster of making claims they can not substantiate in your first sentence, then you do the same thing yourself in your very next sentence!

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George50 · Jun 23, 2020

dcaraz said:
Unfortunately, your common sense points are being ignored in too many towns, cities, and states.
Covid has become part of the Culture War. My family wear masks when food shopping. Yet we are surrounded by hardy individuals who refuse to wear a mask, gather shoulder to shoulder with buddies and laugh and drink while ignoring all the talk about infection curves, asymptomatic spread and fact that Covid has killed nearly a half million persons. And the global rate of new cases continues to increase dramatically.

Our president's response? "Get your tickets for my traveling re-election rallies! But sign the waver. Remember, in case you contract Covid and die, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE!"

Coronavirus Update (Live): 9,221,528 Cases and 474,999 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Yes and don’t forget that our president is the leader of the anti mask movement.

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George50 · Jun 23, 2020

Thoreau72 said:
No, but it does result in larger numbers which help the media effort to sensationalize and fear monger. I wonder how many of those hospitalizations result from anxiety attacks in frightened patients?

New York State has the biggest increase in testing and a huge drop in cases. Testing, quarantine and contact tracing actually reduce cases, that’s one of the ways other countries have managed to get the virus under control.

Maybe we need more fear mongering to get the Trumper morons to start wearing masks so that cases will go down instead of up in red states.

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minnie616 · Jun 23, 2020

Jay59 said:
The whole issue of counting C-19 deaths is tangled. Overcounting is near certain. If there is any chance that C-19 has contributed, hospitals will claim it as a C-19 death, because there is federal money available.

However, you count the statistics, the number of infected is now clearly more than 20% of the population, probably closer to half in some metro areas. Once recoveries hit about 65%, the virus fails for lack of new hosts. It's how humanity has always survived plagues and it is no longer far in the future.

That’s why the infection rate numbers are so important.

Massachusetts and Michigan are at .75
New Jersey and New York are at .82

Arizona is 1.19

Texas is 1.14

I can’t say for sure about other states but Michigan only counts/counted the deaths of deaths of those who were Confirmed with Covid 19 deaths as Covid deaths.

From:

This map shows confirmed COVID-19 patient deaths in the state of Michigan, per county.

Data source: MDHH

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

George50 said:
If you want to call being in denial and nonsense conservative that’s fine by me.

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My parents taught me personal responsibility what did yours teach you?

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

George50 said:
The difference is that unlike any other president, Trump lies multiple times a day, every day.

Also, your results are nonsense because they assume all of the US 1 million plus active cases will live which of course is nonsense.

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So you claim none of which affects you, your family or the country, You place way too much emphasis on the President ignoring the results generated

Conservative · Jun 23, 2020

George50 said:
Yes and don’t forget that our president is the leader of the anti mask movement.

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Don't have or need a leader, doing what makes sense and is right