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Corvid is man made, now it's official.

JacksinPA said:
The Chinese horseshoe bat viruses SARS, MERS, COVID-19 are all in the coronavirus family, Coronaviridae. Ebola is a member of a different family, the Filoviridae.

The coronaviruses were just lab curiosities until one became contagious in humans in 2002.
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Again...OH MY GOD


That distinction is outside of the point I was making. It adds unnecessary and irrelevant information to the conversation. Esp. when others less informed on the topic may not understand those distinctions.


Jeebus, here: you know lots about viruses. I wrote it and agree to it. Can you please stop just vomiting unnecessary info? And you're not even accurate on the coronaviruses...they've been around and causing things like colds for a long time.




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Tim the plumber said:
You would need a pangolin to be alive and get infected by a bat that does not live in the poluted city then the pangolin has to infect a human.... with a virus that does not transmit outside... just down the road from the lab that the Chineese government will not allow inspectors to look at.... the virus that you gat from that chain comes out fully formed as a very human to human infectious disease.. that the Chineese said was not H to H infectious...
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The bats and pangolins are all kept in close quarters in the markets...outside of their normal ranges.

And they can test all those transmission links in the lab too with those animals and tissue/blood samples.

And they only said "they thought" it didnt spread from human to human very early on...because they dont make definite statements until things are reproducible and proven. That's "responsible" epidemiology.




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Tim the plumber said:
And the pngolin bits of its' DNA got in there how?
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Please see post 128.





This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Tim the plumber said:
Coronavirus IS man-made,says ex-head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove | Daily Mail Online



Well, we all knew it already no matter what the MSM had been telling us.
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More than a little bit confusing, as coronavirii have existed on Earth since there was an Earth.
Is it possible this particular virus was manipulated or modified?

Yes, absolutely. A virus "gain function study" can be implemented to study the various ways that a virus might mutate and thus gain function studies are crucial to our understanding of how they work and what they are capable of.

But even if we were to accept Daily Mail 100%, it does not change the fact that the United States dissolved a global pandemic response team that had been put in place specifically in the event that an accidental OR EVEN DELIBERATE virus release happens, handicapping our ability to meet the challenge, and Trump's refusal to do more in a prompt and decisive manner further crippled our ability to mitigate the situation, so instead of a response that matched or surpassed South Korea, we reacted like a bankrupted failed third world kleptocracy.

But you go right ahead and enjoy your conspiracy theory and don't forget, it was Joe Biden, Hillary, Obama and George Soros who did it to us, and they did it from Ukraine in order to hurt Trump! :lamo
 
I dont think corvids are man made..
 
bomberfox said:
I dont think corvids are man made..
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Of course not, crows have been around for millenia. ;)



This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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It will be fun watching all those who have posted in this thread in support of a oh so innocent China go into full reverse gear in a couple of days.
 
Ikari said:
Is it reported in a more trustworthy source? A site known for lying and making Fake News is hardly trustworthy. I don't know if that's what British Intelligence actually said. If the National Enquirer had a story that was "Trump helped China develop Covid to test on the public" and quoted some "CIA Intelligence officer", I wouldn't believe that either.

The reason Fake News is called Fake News is because it's fake.

Come back with a better source.
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Not to be a nuisance but, when one capitalizes the term, one is referring to one of Twumpy's brands.
The phenomenon is known as "fake news", but "Fake News" is anything Twumpy doesn't like. ;)
 
Tim the plumber said:
It will be fun watching all those who have posted in this thread in support of a oh so innocent China go into full reverse gear in a couple of days.
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I think most of us are saying the reporting in the OP from a garbage source that's unverified and that relies on a report not issued that no one has seen is evidence of nothing.

I can speak for myself - I have no idea if it came from the Wuhan lab or anything else about the origins. There's a lot of effort ongoing to determine that, and baseless, evidence free comments by Dearlove or any Trump flunky (like Pompeo) aren't advancing our understanding at all.
 
VanceMack said:
We have spent the last 4 years watching leftists **** themselves over Russia (mind you...these were the same idiot leftists that for the 8 years of the Obama administration insisted that Russia was our ally and that believing otherwise was living in a cold war mentality), and now those same leftists that have been ****ting themselves over Russia have rushed to defend China.

Dang...you would almost think their entire existence, position, and stand in life depended on the party affiliation of whoever is in the White House at any given moment.
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Name names, please.
Show us all what constitutes "defense of China" and for your sake I hope that doesn't translate to "does not agree with this theory".
You have to do better than just "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists".
 
Tim the plumber said:
Coronavirus IS man-made,says ex-head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove | Daily Mail Online



Well, we all knew it already no matter what the MSM had been telling us.
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To quote the head bat herself, “At this point, what difference does it make?”

Man made or not, we have given China the ability to release a “Less than lethal” bio agent into the USA via air travel without us seeing it coming. Now they know it works as a way to suppress America’s economy with the only push back being from an unpopular Republican president.
 
Tim the plumber said:
You would need a pangolin to be alive and get infected by a bat that does not live in the poluted city then the pangolin has to infect a human.... with a virus that does not transmit outside... just down the road from the lab that the Chineese government will not allow inspectors to look at.... the virus that you gat from that chain comes out fully formed as a very human to human infectious disease.. that the Chineese said was not H to H infectious...
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They said it was not contagious from human to human for 6 days after which they said it was.

Pangolins were said to be in the wet market and they would be alive for the freshest meat possible
 
Drawdown said:
With reports that the virus is weakening as it spreads, hopefully whatever manipulation they had done to it is being lost as it reverts.
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Which, if true, would be the exact opposite of what a laboratory "gain function study" would be trying to achieve.
A gain function study would be aiming for a super-virus that can't be stopped by literally anything, almost.
A gain function study intended for intentional release, even more so.
If this was some secret conspiracy, and the virus really is weakening in the span of less than a year, that would be a failed plot.
Go big or go home, as they say.
 
chuckiechan said:
To quote the head bat herself, “At this point, what difference does it make?”

Man made or not, we have given China the ability to release a “Less than lethal” bio agent into the USA via air travel without us seeing it coming. Now they know it works as a way to suppress America’s economy with the only push back being from an unpopular Republican president.
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The "without us seeing it coming" part is flawed. Deeply so...
What you'd have to believe for it to NOT be flawed would be rooted in the notion that the US is utterly dependent upon China telling us what to do.
If my memory serves correctly, that is the reason why we wound up with a global pandemic response team, so that we would not HAVE to depend upon China (or any nation) telling us what to do.

Of course, unless one dismantles that team, at which point the leader who did so resorts to blaming China, for not telling us what to do.
The other flaw is the utter lack of awareness of the effect on the global economy.
Were you trying to convince us that the rest of the world wasn't affected, and only the USA suffered?}

On what planet do you generally spend the majority of your time, because it sure as **** ain't this one.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The "without us seeing it coming" part is flawed. Deeply so...
What you'd have to believe for it to NOT be flawed would be rooted in the notion that the US is utterly dependent upon China telling us what to do.
If my memory serves correctly, that is the reason why we wound up with a global pandemic response team, so that we would not HAVE to depend upon China (or any nation) telling us what to do.

Of course, unless one dismantles that team, at which point the leader who did so resorts to blaming China, for not telling us what to do.
The other flaw is the utter lack of awareness of the effect on the global economy.
Were you trying to convince us that the rest of the world wasn't affected, and only the USA suffered?}

On what planet do you generally spend the majority of your time, because it sure as **** ain't this one.
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Even from a layperson's perspective, one would have to ask why the US didn't accurately assess the threat level based on what was already widely known. Even if China was fudging the numbers, those numbers still painted a pretty grim picture in terms of contagion factor; their drastic measures were also a sign this was something more serious than the flu.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The "without us seeing it coming" part is flawed. Deeply so...
What you'd have to believe for it to NOT be flawed would be rooted in the notion that the US is utterly dependent upon China telling us what to do.
If my memory serves correctly, that is the reason why we wound up with a global pandemic response team, so that we would not HAVE to depend upon China (or any nation) telling us what to do.

Of course, unless one dismantles that team, at which point the leader who did so resorts to blaming China, for not telling us what to do.
The other flaw is the utter lack of awareness of the effect on the global economy.
Were you trying to convince us that the rest of the world wasn't affected, and only the USA suffered?}

On what planet do you generally spend the majority of your time, because it sure as **** ain't this one.
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Of course having China provide the genome of the virus two months before it became an epidemic in the US allowing the US time to prepare and counter the virus would be a bad plan. So would China closing its economy for about 1.5 to 2 months make it a bad plan as well


The only way it could be a good plan is if China believed the US response to a pandemic would be among the worst in the world. That the country that “ wrote” the book on response to pandemics would fail worse than Chins did despite 2 months advanced notice. If that is the case China must have a really low opinion of Donald Trump
 
ElChupacabra said:
Even from a layperson's perspective, one would have to ask why the US didn't accurately assess the threat level based on what was already widely known. Even if China was fudging the numbers, those numbers still painted a pretty grim picture in terms of contagion factor; their drastic measures were also a sign this was something more serious than the flu.
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I would think China having quarantined Wuhan and Hubei should have been enough to raise alarms regardless of any numbers reported.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I would think China having quarantined Wuhan and Hubei should have been enough to raise alarms regardless of any numbers reported.
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Exactly. It's also not a secret that large cities in China will have plenty of international visitors, so one would have to assume the virus will leave China's borders pretty quickly.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Even from a layperson's perspective, one would have to ask why the US didn't accurately assess the threat level based on what was already widely known. Even if China was fudging the numbers, those numbers still painted a pretty grim picture in terms of contagion factor; their drastic measures were also a sign this was something more serious than the flu.
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And we had the resources in place to do exactly what we trained for in exercises.
Had that team still been in existence, we would have endured about a month of Hell, maybe six weeks, and we would have suffered some economic setbacks to be sure, and it would have been a massive hassle and inconvenience for a while, what with everyone being forced to line up for testing testing testing, contact tracing, etc.

Sure, it would have worn thin and it would have been stressful, but not at nearly the Nagasaki level it turned out as with the team no longer in existence. Valuable time was wasted, absolute pure LIES were disseminated, stock options hurriedly bought and sold, and the Rethuglican troops ordered to scoff and peddle hoax theory...all while "Rome burned".

And as usual, someone in authority keeps wanting to find something or someone to BLAME whereas intelligent adults always opt for "ways to take responsibility" and save the blame game for afterward when things recover.
That's the ultimate side effect of electing a reality TV huckster instead of a solid statesman.
Responsibility is leadership in action, blame is reality TV drama.
 
This MI6 reference, please supply a peer-reviewed reference to the original 'secret report'. This sounds like Trumpian fake news propaganda. MI6 people don't make these kinds of public statements, unless politics was involved..
 
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