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My State Mandated Masks Friday. May 29. Did People Listen? Here is What Has Happened In My City

Mashmont said:
Not a single thing went on in Germany without permission by the autocratic all-powerful central government. That’s the definition of leftwing.
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Thank you for yet another howler.
 
Mashmont said:
Oh wait. One of us has a college degree, and it isn't you.
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An Associates Degree in Astrology (with a minor in Basket Weaving) doesn't really carry a whole lot of weight.

Please allow me to remind you of a line from Fielding's "Tom Jones" (that's a book and not a singer)

"Sir, it is just as possible for a man not to have gone to university and to know something as it is for a man to have gone to university and know nothing."
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TU Curmudgeon said:
An Associates Degree in Astrology (with a minor in Basket Weaving) doesn't really carry a whole lot of weight.

Please allow me to remind you of a line from Fielding's "Tom Jones" (that's a book and not a singer)

"Sir, it is just as possible for a man not to have gone to university and to know something as it is for a man to have gone to university and know nothing."
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So, an idiot with a degree is just a degreed idiot, eh? :mrgreen:
 
Mashmont said:
Tell me how I'm wrong. What went on in Germany that Hitler didn't know about or dictate?
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Given your documented history of bull**** and multiple failures, you should not ask such questions.
 
Ginger Ale said:
As of today the death rate in America from Covid is 5.6%. That's 1 death in every 17 people.
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Not quite. It's (roughly) one death in every 17 people who actually catch the disease.

Ginger Ale said:
As of Thursday America is still number 1 in the top five countries with the most cases.

People should listen. This number 1 is nothing to be proud of. Wear a mask and respect other people's space!
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A more apt comparison would be to similar countries. That would be the G-8 + China,

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or the OECD ("The COVID-19 crisis: How do U.S. employment and health outcomes compare to other OECD countries?").

Although the OECD comparison makes the US look pretty bad, if you extract the G8 + China data from it, it looks a lot better (and if you compare the US data to the most similar society on the list [that would be Canada] the US doesn't look all that bad at all. In fact the real difference between the Canadian situation and the US one is that the Canadians seem to be much less likely to actually catch COVID-19.

Of course, since the US data can no longer be trusted, that might all have to be revised (deaths from COVID-19 [which is a disease] are being reported as "pneumonia" [which is a symptom]) when the real data is sorted out.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Did you happen to catch Dr. Mushmouth's podcast?

After extremely careful review of all of the real data, he has concluded that, since at least 50% of those who had contracted COVID-19 still had COVID-19 when their hearts stopped beating, and since at least 50% of those who had contracted COVID-19 still had COVID-19 when they ceased to breathe, and that there were only 10,300 people who were either was breathing or had a heart beat after they died from COVID-19, that **P*R*O*V*E*S** that his prediction (backed by the immense resources of the University of Numerology) was 100% correct and that no one else knows what they are talking about.
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University of Numerology is too advanced for Mushmouth, so I'm not convinced of your accuracy. I suggest the University of Phrenology, with a Masters in Snake Handling and Homoeopathy is more believable. Or is it McDonalds University?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, it is an assumption that some are being paid. Considering the mercenary qualities of our society today, I think it is a valid assumption.

Absurd conspiracies are the realm of government propagandists, and they offer some doozies. I think the one about 19 arabs with box cutters hijacking 4 airliners is the best of them all! :mrgreen:
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A more realistic assumption would be "Any society so far known to mankind had always included a small number of arrogant, stupid, pathetic, idiots who will do almost any arrogant, stupid, idiotic thing that you can think of.". If you toss in "that will increase their chances of getting laid", you have an almost dead flat certainty.
 
Mashmont said:
That Soros funds Antifa and BLM has been linked so many times, it's common knowledge. However, I notice google with it's new algorithms, is stifling a lot of information that are harmful to Democrats. Anyone else notice that?
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I know. I mean, everyone knows that George Soros also funded the development of Covid 19 to make a world-wide market for the universal anti-virus vaccine his laboratory in Hungary has already created. Here, look at this...

Coronavirus Update (Live): 6,885,120 Cases and 399,003 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Scroll down to Hungary. Waaay down. Less than 1 death per million. The reason is obvious.
Right? Right? But just try using Google to develop intelligence on this. Try as much as you like, you won't be able to.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Not quite. It's (roughly) one death in every 17 people who actually catch the disease.



A more apt comparison would be to similar countries. That would be the G-8 + China,


or the OECD ("The COVID-19 crisis: How do U.S. employment and health outcomes compare to other OECD countries?").

Although the OECD comparison makes the US look pretty bad, if you extract the G8 + China data from it, it looks a lot better (and if you compare the US data to the most similar society on the list [that would be Canada] the US doesn't look all that bad at all. In fact the real difference between the Canadian situation and the US one is that the Canadians seem to be much less likely to actually catch COVID-19.

Of course, since the US data can no longer be trusted, that might all have to be revised (deaths from COVID-19 [which is a disease] are being reported as "pneumonia" [which is a symptom]) when the real data is sorted out.
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I assumed, sorry, yes, 1 in 17 will die who catch COVID. That isn't a good number compared to other viruses and the rate of spread in America will have a lot of death as an outcome. We could have handled this pandemic better, with less spread and death.
 
Mashmont said:
Tell me how I'm wrong. What went on in Germany that Hitler didn't know about or dictate?
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Your full statement was

Not a single thing went on in Germany without permission by the autocratic all-powerful central government. That’s the definition of leftwing.
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The real howler is the part that you forgot that you had said and which I have bold-faced.

PS - Your first statement is also incorrect (unless, of course, Claus Philipp Maria Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg had "permission by (sic) the autocratic all-powerful central government" to attempt to assassinate Herr Hitler).
 
snakestretcher said:
University of Numerology is too advanced for Mushmouth, so I'm not convinced of your accuracy. I suggest the University of Phrenology, with a Masters in Snake Handling and Homoeopathy is more believable. Or is it McDonalds University?
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Could be, I'm sure that he couldn't meet the entrance requirements for "Trump U".
 
snakestretcher said:
University of Numerology is too advanced for Mushmouth, so I'm not convinced of your accuracy. I suggest the University of Phrenology, with a Masters in Snake Handling and Homoeopathy is more believable. Or is it McDonalds University?
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My degree is in math. That's why I destroy you logically. You don't have a degree of any kind.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Your full statement was

Not a single thing went on in Germany without permission by the autocratic all-powerful central government. That’s the definition of leftwing.
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The real howler is the part that you forgot that you had said and which I have bold-faced.

PS - Your first statement is also incorrect (unless, of course, Claus Philipp Maria Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg had "permission by (sic) the autocratic all-powerful central government" to attempt to assassinate Herr Hitler).
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I predicted you'd descend into nonsense trying to refute my claim that Hitler had his hand in everything. Mashie was again correct.
 
Mashmont said:
I predicted you'd descend into nonsense trying to refute my claim that Hitler had his hand in everything. Mashie was again correct.
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Obviously looking at all of those numbers left you bereft of the ability to read for comprehension.

Let's try a little quiz

  1. If a person says that the absolute maximum number of people that will die is 1,000, at what point is that "prediction" wrong?
    • ___ when the number of people who die is 999 or fewer
    • ___ when the number of people who die is 1,000
    • ___ when the number of people who die is 1,001 or more
  2. If a person says that between 1,000 and 2,000 people will die at some point in the future, when is that "prediction" wrong?
    • ___ at the future point if the number of people who died is less than 1,000
    • ___ at the future point if the number of people who died is between 1,000 and 2,000
    • ___ at the future point if the number of people who died is 2,001 or more
  3. When can you tell if a prediction that something will happen at some future point was incorrect?
    • ___ immediately
    • ___ at that future point.
PS - I have to congratulate you on admitting that you are as smart as a golf club (and one that has a head made of iron at that).
 
Mashmont said:
My degree is in math. That's why I destroy you logically. You don't have a degree of any kind.
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Yes, your imaginary 'degree' in maths resulted in all of your absurd predictive calculations being systematically destroyed by people who actually know what they're talking about! So much winning:lamo
 
Somerville said:
From Charlotte's News-Observer, data on new cases in the state. Any other person notice the recent jump?

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Mashmont said:
Except nobody has anything because this is all fake.
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Integrityrespec said:
This farce is over ,it's dead, it's just waiting on the official announcement that the whole thing was exaggerated based on bad information and wasn't the fault of those that said we would have millions of dead Americans.
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Bots or paid trolls? Inquiring minds would like to know. Denial of reality, at least denial on an internet forum - who knows what they do at home, does appear to be a common characteristic of a certain class of commenters.

Does anybody remember this thread and some of the comments which are now being ignored as the "More Religious" states are beginning to show more cases? https://www.debatepolitics.com/covi...5-least-religious-states.html?highlight=Covid
 
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When you take a potential pandemic seriously when you hear about it and don't pretend it's no worse than the flu for a couple of months good things happen. I wonder why China wasn't lying to them.......or Taiwan........or Hong Kong...........or or or.
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The Donkey of Pennsylvania Avenue had three years to get ready for this and fix whatever he said Obama did wrong before him. He had three years to place operatives in China, a country whose government is known to lie and hide the truth. He did neither. We should not have ever been in a position when we depended on China for accurate information-because we KNOW they lie.
 
Ginger Ale said:
I assumed, sorry, yes, 1 in 17 will die who catch COVID. That isn't a good number compared to other viruses and the rate of spread in America will have a lot of death as an outcome. We could have handled this pandemic better, with less spread and death.
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding you....but you or I or anyone else really has no idea what the death rate is from this virus. We neither know the numerator nor the denominator with certainty...in fact, both of those estimates is likely far off from reality.

Here is the best estimate of the mortality rate that I have seen. It takes into account both the number of confirmed cases of Covid 19 as well as the estimated number of cases; and the confirmed deaths due to the virus and the suspected deaths from it. Their estimate is about 1.4% of infected people die from it. This is not definitive as it has to be repeated on a larger scale-they just used NY as a data base:

Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer
 
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Ethel2 said:
The Donkey of Pennsylvania Avenue had three years to get ready for this and fix whatever he said Obama did wrong before him. He had three years to place operatives in China, a country whose government is known to lie and hide the truth. He did neither. We should not have ever been in a position when we depended on China for accurate information-because we KNOW they lie.
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And we don't?
 
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And we don't?
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Apparently not, if you mean operatives inside China. If we did we would have known that Covid 19 was ravaging Wuhan, that it spread by moisture droplets, and the people without symptoms could transmit it. We found that stuff out later. China did give us the genetic code early on, but that is small consolation for what they withheld from us. The Chinese government deserves a part of the blame too.
 
Ethel2 said:
Apparently not, if you mean operatives inside China. If we did we would have known that Covid 19 was ravaging Wuhan, that it spread by moisture droplets, and the people without symptoms could transmit it. We found that stuff out later. China did give us the genetic code early on, but that is small consolation for what they withheld from us. The Chinese government deserves a part of the blame too.
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Yet they didn't withhold from Taiwan, Hong Kong, S Korea and others? Amazing if true. What do you make of a president who lied about it for 2 months?
 
Ethel2 said:
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you....but you or I or anyone else really has no idea what the death rate is from this virus. We neither know the numerator nor the denominator with certainty...in fact, both of those estimates is likely far off from reality.

Here is the best estimate of the mortality rate that I have seen. It takes into account both the number of confirmed cases of Covid 19 as well as the estimated number of cases; and the confirmed deaths due to the virus and the suspected deaths from it. Their estimate is about 1.4% of infected people die from it. This is not definitive as it has to be repeated on a larger scale-they just used NY as a data base:

Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer
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Yes, it COULD be lower. Or it could not, you are correct in that don't know because we don't test well in America.

Here is the article that linked the info.

(According to these numbers, the mortality rate of positive COVID-19 cases in the U.S. stands at 5.6% (111,390 deaths out of 1,965,708 positive cases), equal to about 1 in 17 people. The positive case number includes active cases that have not yet had an outcome (recovery or death).

Because of the unknown number of people who may have had the virus and were asymptomatic or were not tested, the case fatality rate could be lower. The case fatality rate of COVID-19 is based on the number of positive, known cases.)US coronavirus cases surpass 1.9 million with more than 111,000 deaths | US & World News | azfamily.com

Opening guidelines are not the only reason we need to test more, it's also people's perception of how bad it is here.

As of now, America doesn't plan on ramping up testing, so the data we have is this. :yt
This paints a really grim picture so hopefully, we can get our crap together and test more. I'd love to see that percentage lower, a lot lower.
 
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