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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The death rate being higher than past death rates is not speculation - the causes for that jump are being examined.
    The problem is that folks are conflating actions taken by the government with the direct effects of COVID-19. Ordering 'non-essential' medical care treatment to cease was not required - it was done as a precautionary measure to prevent possible lack of ability to "treat" (anticipated?) COVID-19 patients.

    Using the "logic" that people who lost employer provided medical care insurance due to government mandated "shutdowns" and thus skipped seeking medical care (for say the flu or diabetes) as COVID-19 related deaths is quite a stretch.
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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    How does social distancing cause deaths?
    Social distancing doesn't segregate those who are asymptomatic and those with slight enough symptoms to Covid to not need a hospital from those who are highly susceptible to Covid. Which means the initial social distancing will kill because the highly susceptible will get it from those who aren't affected by Covid because there aren't enough tests to determine who has Covid and who doesn't.

    The only way for social distancing to work is the lockdown type of social distancing. Lockdown social distancing protects everybody after the germination period for Covid has expired. Too bad lockdown social distancing is unsustainable.

    As soon as there are any measures to relax lockdown social distancing, the chance for those most susceptible to Covid getting Covid goes up.

    Social distancing also looks at preventing cases of Covid spread because social distancing can't protect anyone from Covid except for a lockdown situation.
    Since the emphasis is on spread, the crisis will be longer. Since the crisis will be longer and since social distancing will NOT protect anyone from Covid, social distancing will kill more people than other ways to combat Covid.

    Social distancing was used to protect hospital resources and not used to protect lives. Deaths will go up due to social distancing.

    Note: I'm saying Covid is deadly to certain groups of people and we know those susceptible groups.
    I'm also saying social distancing was the wrong method to combat Covid for the US. Social distancing is the absolutely last way to combat any pandemic, IMO, since economies and gov'ts, for examples, are destroyed in the process of using social distancing.
    Social distancing might have been appropriate at the first outbreak of Covid when there was no data on Covid and there was the possibility everyone could've been hospitalized with Covid.
    'Social distancing doesn't save anyone from the virus but it may delay the time one gets the virus. Social distancing doesn't protect those with pre-existing conditions to the virus nor does it make allowances for those who are asymptomatic or have slight symptoms to the virus.' cabse5 04/09/20

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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    You should be suspicious of anyone who doesn't say "may" and "theory."

    "Definitely" and "must" are the province of religion and propaganda. Not science.
    Sorry, but I don't accept "facts" that must be taken on faith, anymore than I pay attention to people who speculate.

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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Social distancing doesn't segregate those who are asymptomatic and those with slight enough symptoms to Covid to not need a hospital from those who are highly susceptible to Covid. Which means the initial social distancing will kill because the highly susceptible will get it from those who aren't affected by Covid because there aren't enough tests to determine who has Covid and who doesn't.

    The only way for social distancing to work is the lockdown type of social distancing. Lockdown social distancing protects everybody after the germination period for Covid has expired. Too bad lockdown social distancing is unsustainable.

    As soon as there are any measures to relax lockdown social distancing, the chance for those most susceptible to Covid getting Covid goes up.

    Social distancing also looks at preventing cases of Covid spread because social distancing can't protect anyone from Covid except for a lockdown situation.
    Since the emphasis is on spread, the crisis will be longer. Since the crisis will be longer and since social distancing will NOT protect anyone from Covid, social distancing will kill more people than other ways to combat Covid.

    Social distancing was used to protect hospital resources and not used to protect lives. Deaths will go up due to social distancing.

    Note: I'm saying Covid is deadly to certain groups of people and we know those susceptible groups.
    I'm also saying social distancing was the wrong method to combat Covid for the US. Social distancing is the absolutely last way to combat any pandemic, IMO, since economies and gov'ts, for examples, are destroyed in the process of using social distancing.
    Social distancing might have been appropriate at the first outbreak of Covid when there was no data on Covid and there was the possibility everyone could've been hospitalized with Covid.
    I see what you are saying. Yes social distancing while going about your daily routine causes more deaths than a total and complete lockdown. It causes less deaths than going about your daily routine and not social distancing, however.

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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sorry, but I don't accept "facts" that must be taken on faith, anymore than I pay attention to people who speculate.

    "Just the facts, Ma'am."
    "May" and "theory" from a scientific perspective are not based on faith. They are based on probability. If 99% of a theory corresponds to observable reality, then there is a high probability that it is correct. This doesn't make it any less of a theory, but it also doesn't make it rational to accept an outlier theory that corresponds to that 1% of reality that is missing from the generally accepted theory, but not the 99% of reality that is explained by it as pandemic and climate change deniers do.

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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    The experts said we could hold COVID-19 deaths down to 75,000 if we sheltered in place.

    Trump had to get the economy going so he could get reelected.

    Now we have over 100,000 deaths. 25,000 dead for no reason.

    Thanks, Trump.
    No, I would like to thank Cuomo.
    How will he defend those lawsuits coming his way for the nursing home deaths.

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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Not facts? Explain why the CDC's policy was to admit Covid patients into nursing homes if the main goal of social distancing was to save lives. I mean, a nursing homes is one institution where the residents are highly susceptible to Covid and the residents can't usually be released from the home from a Covid outbreak. Was the CDC just misinformed? I doubt it. The CDC just wanted to save hospital resources. That was the main goal of social distancing.
    Explain why you believe that it was CDC's policy " to admit Covid patients into nursing homes" Preparing for COVID-19 in Nursing Homes | CDC Updated May 19, 2020
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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    All states have underrated covid and comorbidity-related covid case deaths.
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    Dr. Fauci suggests strongly that drinking alcohol helps to surviveTrump's briefings on the Coronavirus.

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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    "May" and "theory" from a scientific perspective are not based on faith. They are based on probability. If 99% of a theory corresponds to observable reality, then there is a high probability that it is correct. This doesn't make it any less of a theory, but it also doesn't make it rational to accept an outlier theory that corresponds to that 1% of reality that is missing from the generally accepted theory, but not the 99% of reality that is explained by it as pandemic and climate change deniers do.
    LOL!!

    I'm not interested in "probability". Hell, if I was I'd tout every bogus poll I can find as god's truth.

    No, I'm interested in reality. Take your "may" and your "theory" and peddle them to some useful idiots.
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    Re: Coronavirus may have caused hundreds of additional deaths in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesbyoung View Post
    All states have underrated covid and comorbidity-related covid case deaths.
    Wrong.

    Colorado over counted COVID-19 deaths...until they got caught.
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