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Denmark and Norway exclude Sweden from tourism

If the States remain the epicenter, or remain at the current high levels, we will be excluded as well. And that will further hinder the economy.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Coronavirus: Denmark and Norway exclude Sweden from tourism - BBC News


"Norway and Denmark say they will open up tourism between their two countries from 15 June but will maintain restrictions for Swedes."


It's really all they could do. They're worked to do one thing and Sweden is doing the opposite.
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It's idiotic.

The death rate/million in Sweden is 435 with no shutdown. In the US the death rate/million is 345 with a shutdown. The shutdown l seems to have had little positive effect on the number of deaths but has had a huge negative economic effect. Thanks
 
Sweden deaths per million pop 431

America 315

Norway 44


You can see why.

Now if we get a vaccine, all those deaths in Sweden will be for naught.
 
Chomsky said:
If the States remain the epicenter, or remain at the current high levels, we will be excluded as well. And that will further hinder the economy.
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How would it hinder our economy if it’s harder to spend money in Norway?

Don’t get me wrong, I love Norway, I’m a Norwegian American, I’ve traveled to Norway before, I have family in Norway, I’ll be going back once it’s possible, but I don’t understand the reasoning here.
 
Rexedgar said:
Nordic on Nordic discrimination?
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Sweden has 3 times the infections of Denmark, but have only conducted under 1/4 of the tests. Sweden has conducted around 25k tests per million, where as Denmark has conducted all almost 110k per million. Which means their infection rate is far higher than the official numbers.

They are pushing 5k deaths vs under 600 deaths in Denmark.

Sweden had 749 new infections today, Denmark 81. Sweden had 84 new deaths, Denmark had 0.

The virus is rampaging through Sweden so there is not much Denmark could do.

Now I am not saying I agree with all what my Prime Minister did today, but not letting Swedes, Brits, Americans, Brazilians..well most South Americans, and of course Russians in is just not an option. The virus is too out of control there.

Now the rest of Europe is another matter and here I disagree with my PM. Most of Europe is opening up in mid to late June and the decision should be taken then, not now. Instead the PM announced that no Dane could go to any country (other than Norway, Germany and Iceland) without having a mandatory 14 day quarantine on return and this policy will be in place til August 31st. That is just idiotic. The rate that Spain and Italy are seeing declines in infections and deaths and the often draconian measures they have taken, will mean the picture will be quite different in a week, let alone in a months time. She basically created a problem by boxing herself in and did not have to do that.

In the end countries have to agree on a system and conditions to opening the borders.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
EMNofSeattle said:
How would it hinder our economy if it’s harder to spend money in Norway?

Don’t get me wrong, I love Norway, I’m a Norwegian American, I’ve traveled to Norway before, I have family in Norway, I’ll be going back once it’s possible, but I don’t understand the reasoning here.
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For one thing, the tourism ban works in both directions. Don't expect Norwegian cruise ships to stop in Seattle and Alaska if that's how it works or Nowegians and Danes to come to Florida or Hawaii.
 
Ignatius said:
It's idiotic.

The death rate/million in Sweden is 435 with no shutdown. In the US the death rate/million is 345 with a shutdown. The shutdown l seems to have had little positive effect on the number of deaths but has had a huge negative economic effect. Thanks
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wha?


this post is a total lie.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
How would it hinder our economy if it’s harder to spend money in Norway?

Don’t get me wrong, I love Norway, I’m a Norwegian American, I’ve traveled to Norway before, I have family in Norway, I’ll be going back once it’s possible, but I don’t understand the reasoning here.
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Sorry, I could have been more clear. By, "we could be excluded too", I was speaking to the possibility of our global exclusion from the healthier countries.

For example, NZ has allowed flights to AU, and is looking to expand this allowance to other countries as they become safe. That was several weeks ago, and they may have already established further alliances. They are in fact establishing a group of what they perceive of "safe" countries, as they re-open international travel. It's also thought these groupings will occur in other regions, and there seem to be examples occurring in Europe, as we see here.

We'd like to be included in these groupings, for obvious reasons, if we want our economy to grow in the most optimum manner.

The good news (for us) is Brazil sadly seems to be on it's way to become the new epicenter, relieving us of that stigma. But we still are a way off from being healthy.
 
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Chomsky said:
Sorry, I could have been more clear. By, "we could be excluded too", I was speaking to the possibility of our global exclusion from the healthier countries.

For example, NZ has allowed flights to AU, and is looking to expand this allowance to other countries as they become safe. That was several weeks ago, and they may have already established further alliances. They are in fact establishing a group of what they perceive of "safe" countries, as they re-open international travel. It's also thought these groupings will occur in other regions, and there seem to be examples occurring in Europe, as we see here.

We'd like to be included in these groupings, for obvious reasons, if we want our economy to grow in the most optimum manner.

The good news (for us) is Brazil sadly seems to be on it's way to become the new epicenter, relieving us of that stigma. But we still are a way off from being healthy.
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Ny death rate is way down from it's peak (way too high). it has 67 deaths yesterday, down from a peek of 799. I suspect it will be below 50 soon. I would love to see it 0.
The places in the U.S. I would keep on eye on is Georgia, Florida , Arizonia. Wisconson looks like it might be posed for an upturn too, 2 weeks after it opened things up. the indications are only 3 days , but yesterday, they had the highest number of new cases yet,breaking the high point set 2 days previously.
 
Grand Mal said:
For one thing, the tourism ban works in both directions. Don't expect Norwegian cruise ships to stop in Seattle and Alaska if that's how it works or Nowegians and Danes to come to Florida or Hawaii.
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Norwegians will come to America if it’s legal.

It’s too cheap here not to. I know a guy in Norway who has a Harley in the US, takes his 4 to 5 weeks of socialist paid vacation and comes here to ride his motorcycle because he could never afford to have a Harley in Norway and it’s too cold anyway. That guys coming as long as customs will let him in.

We are to Scandinavia as Mexico is to us, cheap and interesting. The higher danger doesn’t matter.
 
swing_voter said:
Now if we get a vaccine, all those deaths in Sweden will be for naught.
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And if there isnt one, then the Swedes will be geniuses and everyone else are idiots.
 
RAMOSS said:
Ny death rate is way down from it's peak (way too high). it has 67 deaths yesterday, down from a peek of 799. I suspect it will be below 50 soon. I would love to see it 0.
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Yes, NY's decreasing numbers is phenomenal! Damn, have they suffered.

The places in the U.S. I would keep on eye on is Georgia, Florida , Arizonia. Wisconson looks like it might be posed for an upturn too, 2 weeks after it opened things up. the indications are only 3 days , but yesterday, they had the highest number of new cases yet,breaking the high point set 2 days previously.
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Wisconson will be an interesting case study. Remember, the Chicago suburbs & exurbs extend into WI. In fact, the 90 mile tract between Chicago & Milwaukee is nearly seamless. Yeah, you'll still see some cornfields traveling between the two, but there will at least a smattering of housing & commercial developments in even the least populated parts of the distance.

Back when IL had 19-21 drinking laws, and WI had 18, nearly every weekend would involve DUI incidents & accidents from Chicago kids going-up there to drink. Well guess what? It's happening again due to Chicago bars being closed. The WI bars near the boarder are literally packed!

I see bars as the ultimate test of Covid safety. If the bars don't spread it, it's definitely on its way out. We shall see.
 
PoS said:
And if there isnt one, then the Swedes will be geniuses and everyone else are idiots.
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yeah, because no one is gonna come up with better treatments (to keep God's children alive) and folks won't learn how to protect their grandparents and stuff.


wow
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, NY's decreasing numbers is phenomenal! Damn, have they suffered.

Wisconson will be an interesting case study. Remember, the Chicago suburbs & exurbs extend into WI. In fact, the 90 mile tract between Chicago & Milwaukee is nearly seamless. Yeah, you'll still see some cornfields traveling between the two, but there will at least a smattering of housing & commercial developments in even the least populated parts of the distance.

Back when IL had 19-21 drinking laws, and WI had 18, nearly every weekend would involve DUI incidents & accidents from Chicago kids going-up there to drink. Well guess what? It's happening again due to Chicago bars being closed. The WI bars near the boarder are literally packed!

I see bars as the ultimate test of Covid safety. If the bars don't spread it, it's definitely on its way out. We shall see.
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I noticed the last 3 days had the highest totals of new cases , and the highest death count in a single day exactly 2 weeks after they removed restrictions because of a court order. Death rate was 22, 11 then 18, while previously it was bouncing between 0 and 11 during the restrictions. It's too small a sample to see if the increased death rate is a trend, or a blip. I hope a blip, but fear and predict a trend.
 
RAMOSS said:
I noticed the last 3 days had the highest totals of new cases , and the highest death count in a single day exactly 2 weeks after they removed restrictions because of a court order. Death rate was 22, 11 then 18, while previously it was bouncing between 0 and 11 during the restrictions. It's too small a sample to see if the increased death rate is a trend, or a blip. I hope a blip, but fear and predict a trend.
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Agreed it's a small sample of data over short time, but the two-week time-frame is compelling.

One problem though, is we are continuously increasing testing. My city's numbers are slowly receding in terms of testing positive and (too some point) deaths. That is, the data looks mediocre until you look at new hospital admissions and hospital utilization. Those numbers are substantially down.

So with a disconnect like the above, I suspect testing is causing some skewing over time. We're simply testing more & finding more cases, including the deaths we attribute to Covid.
 
Ignatius said:
Look it up yourself and do the math and prove me wrong. I bet you never do.
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The OP is about Denmark, who shut down. Deaths per million - 100.
Finland - right next door to Sweden - 57
Norway - another neighbor - 44
Sweden - 435

And the trends are important. Sweden is seeing infections at near peak rates. Denmarks are at 1/4th that or so, and under control. That's all deliberate, in both countries. So Sweden is taking a different path - little testing, minimal social distancing restrictions, and so they expect cases to remain high, and largely undiagnosed. So that has consequences. Those that don't want to import cases are restricting travel from countries with still high numbers, such as Sweden.
 
JasperL said:
The OP is about Denmark, who shut down. Deaths per million - 100.
Finland - right next door to Sweden - 57
Norway - another neighbor - 44
Sweden - 435

And the trends are important. Sweden is seeing infections at near peak rates. Denmarks are at 1/4th that or so, and under control. That's all deliberate, in both countries. So Sweden is taking a different path - little testing, minimal social distancing restrictions, and so they expect cases to remain high, and largely undiagnosed. So that has consequences. Those that don't want to import cases are restricting travel from countries with still high numbers, such as Sweden.
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Yep. You can't blame the non-Sweden states. Sweden took a different path than they, and they want none of it. Nothing else they can do, really.
 
Grand Mal said:
For one thing, the tourism ban works in both directions. Don't expect Norwegian cruise ships to stop in Seattle and Alaska if that's how it works or Nowegians and Danes to come to Florida or Hawaii.
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Cruise season in Alaska is officially over. Canada has shut down cruises until November at the earliest. Anybody going to Hawaii will have to quarantine for 14 days. I don't see that being a popular destination anytime soon.
 
Chomsky said:
Agreed it's a small sample of data over short time, but the two-week time-frame is compelling.

One problem though, is we are continuously increasing testing. My city's numbers are slowly receding in terms of testing positive and (too some point) deaths. That is, the data looks mediocre until you look at new hospital admissions and hospital utilization. Those numbers are substantially down.

So with a disconnect like the above, I suspect testing is causing some skewing over time. We're simply testing more & finding more cases, including the deaths we attribute to Covid.
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In this case, it's 'death rate'. Also, the testing in wisconsion does nto seem to be on a rise in that state, but there was a surge in new cases. Texas is fudging their testing numbers by including the 'antibody test' in the testing, as well as vermont. So, we will see. Florida and Georgia got caught cooking the books, but Georgia admitted 'mistakes', while Florida cut off information.
 
Ignatius said:
It's idiotic.

The death rate/million in Sweden is 435 with no shutdown. In the US the death rate/million is 345 with a shutdown. The shutdown l seems to have had little positive effect on the number of deaths but has had a huge negative economic effect. Thanks
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Currently, according to John Hopkins the death rate from Covid 19 for Sweden 11.9

The death rate for the US is 5.9

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
 
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