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Hydroxychloroquine Raising Questions

Luckyone said:
Lots of people, starting with Fauci, have clearly stated that there are negatives to Hydroxychloroquine, so whether the studies made are yet firm proof or not is not of importance.
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There are positives and negatives to every drug - preventing physicians from prescribing HCQ could be costing thousands of lives

Fauci is one person, what he "clearly states" is not fact, and if you think he's apolitical...

 
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code1211 said:
The President is using the drug as prescribed by his doctor.

Are you intentionally misrepresenting this or just doing it by accident?
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Displaying the hate in his elderly heart.
 
code1211 said:
The President is using the drug as prescribed by his doctor.

Are you intentionally misrepresenting this or just doing it by accident?
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You don't know that. Trump said that but he lies so often you can't take his word on anything. His word is worthless.
 
Luckyone said:
Yes, I know this but you are not using common sense.

I am an intelligent man and when Trump stated what he stated, my first reaction was to buy the drug or at the very least have my doctor prescribe it to me. If I, being a rational human being, was considering using the drug, I can see the less intelligent (a huge amount of the population) doing what I was thinking and even more (buying it through Canada where no prescription is necessary) or buying it here in some places where I have previously bought medicine without a prescription.

Bottom line, such an announcement by Trump stimulated people's interest in the medicine and a lot of people would find ways to buy it and take it.

It is you that is not using common and real sense with this contention. Trump should not have recommended it and some, I am sure, bought it and took it and some either died or got hurt from it. You cannot get away from that fact and if you do, then you are lying to yourself and not being true to reality.
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You sound like an egotistical braggart and frankly no one cares.
 
WCH said:
Who else is constantly critical of Trump/Conservatives?
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Conservatives. There's conservatives right here, intelligent conservatives, who will tell you that Trump is a disgrace to the office he holds.
 
Grand Mal said:
Conservatives. There's conservatives right here, intelligent conservatives, who will tell you that Trump is a disgrace to the office he holds.
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Doubt they are either. They'll probably vote for Sleepy Joe.
 
ReubenSherr said:
There are positives and negatives to every drug - preventing physicians from prescribing HCQ could be costing thousands of lives

Fauci is one person, what he "clearly states" is not fact, and if you think he's apolitical...

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Who said anything about preventing a doctor from prescribing a medicine? My contention all along is to let the doctor be the one that decides the treatment and not the patient. Trump is pushing for the patients to be the deciding factor and not the experts on medicine.

So, what you are suggesting is that what people in power say does not carry accountability as every person is responsible themselves for what they do. If that is the case, why have a president to lead us? Why not just have a CPA to do all the paperwork that needs to be done to run the country and let the people do what they want with their lives.

I believe that a leader is accountable for leading well or not. I believe what a leader says and does tilts the score to one side or the other though it is never a guarantee. Isn't that what we all look for in a leader, to give us an advantage and to keep us safer and more successful in our lives? If leaders are not necessary, why have coaches, managers, CEO's, etc.?
 
WCH said:
You sound like an egotistical braggart and frankly no one cares.
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You are being hypocritical by accusing me of being an egotistical braggart and then giving your support to Trump, who has been proven to be an egotistical braggart to the nth degree.

Do you have any honor or self respect? Must you always attempt to tear down the people who are bringing concerns about Trump's leadership and that offer proof, data,and clear examples of why they see things as they do?

You are not the kind of a person I have any respect for. Certainly not someone I care about in the slightest. Ditto to you.
 
Luckyone said:
Who said anything about preventing a doctor from prescribing a medicine? My contention all along is to let the doctor be the one that decides the treatment and not the patient. Trump is pushing for the patients to be the deciding factor and not the experts on medicine.
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???

Trump is pushing for physicians to make the decision along with their patients

Are you seriously arguing that Trump is advocating putting HCQ on the shelves of Rite Aid for people to pick up without prescriptions?

There are "experts on medicine" all over the country, thousands of whom are currently prescribing HCQ for their patients - Fauci is not god, he is friends with the Cuomos, and is not an unbiased "expert"

Whenever you use the word "expert" in your posts, you mean "Fauci" - those are two very different words;)
 
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Luckyone said:
High rates of dangerous side effects being found in Trump's recommended-for-Corona-Virus-medication........Hydroxychloroquine.

This is one more example of why President's should not be opening their mouths to recommend what only Medical people should/can recommend.

Deaths because the people used Hycroxychloroquine without a doctors prescription must be credited to Trump.

This goes to show the incompetence and personal ego fulfillment that our president has.
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I've been following this a bit and the issue is these other studies are not running the tests properly, and that is possibly done purposefully. It is not a treatment that should be given to those on respirators or are already in serious condition. It's to be taken early and only needs about 12 iterations.
 
ReubenSherr said:
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Trump is pushing for physicians to make the decision along with their patients

Are you seriously arguing that Trump is advocating putting HCQ on the shelves of Rite Aid for people to pick up without prescriptions?

There are "experts on medicine" all over the country, thousands of whom are currently prescribing HCQ for their patients - Fauci is not god, he is friends with the Cuomos, and is not an unbiased "expert"

Whenever you use the word "expert" in your posts, you mean "Fauci" - those are two very different words;)
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You are the one that is being naive.

Let me show you what Trump should have done:

"Our doctors have found a promising medicine that could help prevent and possibly help cure the Corona Virus. I will leave that in their hands to tell you about it and prescribe it if they choose to do so. I just wanted to let you know that we are researching everything possible to help our people cope with this disease"

In this dialogue, there is no mention by Trump as to Hydroxychloroquine, which is as it should be because it is up to Fauci (official doctor for the administration on this) and to the individual doctors of each person to introduce it to the country medically. Trump is no doctor but he is a leader that knows that people will do as he says and therefore should cede this kind of thing to the experts. .

By Trump mentioning the medicine and given that Trump is a God to many, it suggests that going out and getting the medicine anyway possible will help each and everyone of us,

If you can't see the common sense and what should be the proper introduction of the medicine, then evidently you are blind or have no common sense yourself.
 
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Fishking said:
I've been following this a bit and the issue is these other studies are not running the tests properly, and that is possibly done purposefully. It is not a treatment that should be given to those on respirators or are already in serious condition. It's to be taken early and only needs about 12 iterations.
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Don't misunderstand me, I am not touting taking or not taking the medicine. I am touting that Trump has no right to introduce any medicine as he is not a medical doctor.

I am 74 years old and diabetic and my first thought when Trump mentioned it is to go and buy it and take it. I would LOVE for a medicine that works to be found because I am in the high risk group and have no desire to die. My hate for Trump does not overwhelm my desire to live.

I just think that Trump was incompetent by doing what he did, not matter whether the medicine works or not, whether they need more studies or not, and whether some can take it and others can't.

I am sick and tired of Trump wanting to "play" the hero and savior to feed his own ego when he is mostly incompetent and can never fill those shoes. His doing that, put me and others at risk if we "blindly" do what he suggests we do. I know I won't do it but there are enough blind and dedicated supporters of his that will kill (and have done so) in the name of Trump, their God.

Just imagine someone loved by all, such as JFK, suggesting that people take a medicine he believes will help them. In a matter of minutes, you would have the nation going crazy trying to buy it and take. By the same token, JFK would never have done what Trump has done. JFK was a true hero, a patriot, and a very competent president. Trump is a sociopath that only cares about himself.
 
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WCH said:
Oh look, someone else that thinks so highly of their brain capacity yet votes for a failed ideology.
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That is the only comeback you could come up with?

Fail
 
WCH said:
He's not forcing anyone to take it. Who made the Left the arbiters of the truth?
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Oh, give us a break. Any president should know that his words have consequences, that significant numbers of people will try whatever idiotic thing he does, like suggesting injesting Lysol, using anti-malaria drugs, refusing to wear a mask for vanity's sake, etc.
 
Luckyone said:
Don't misunderstand me, I am not touting taking or not taking the medicine. I am touting that Trump has no right to introduce any medicine as he is not a medical doctor.

I am 74 years old and diabetic and my first thought when Trump mentioned it is to go and buy it and take it. I would LOVE for a medicine that works to be found because I am in the high risk group and have no desire to die. My hate for Trump does not overwhelm my desire to live.

I just think that Trump was incompetent by doing what he did, not matter whether the medicine works or not, whether they need more studies or not, and whether some can take it and others can't.

I am sick and tired of Trump wanting to "play" the hero and savior to feed his own ego when he is mostly incompetent and can never fill those shoes. His doing that, put me and others at risk if we "blindly" do what he suggests we do. I know I won't do it but there are enough blind and dedicated supporters of his that will kill (and have done so) in the name of Trump, their God.

Just imagine someone loved by all, such as JFK, suggesting that people take a medicine he believes will help them. In a matter of minutes, you would have the nation going crazy trying to buy it and take. By the same token, JFK would never have done what Trump has done. JFK was a true hero, a patriot, and a very competent president. Trump is a sociopath that only cares about himself.
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Trump didn't introduce anything on his own. It commented on things that various doctors were using with great success. Then a bunch of people jumped all over it for basically two reasons:

1. Politics. People hate Trump more than helping people. This was proven by an article I read about top Dem campaign strategists being concerned that the economy will rebound, because that would hurt their chances of winning, that they would prefer for people to lose their jobs, their houses, their businesses, ect.

2. There's no money in a drug that is super cheap and the patent is expired so it is free to be done by generics.
 
WCH said:
Who else is constantly critical of Trump/Conservatives?
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we have to exert an opposing force so all you lemmings don't fall off the cliff
 
Common Sense 1 said:
The Trump haters are losing their mind over a comment the president made.

For goodness sake's you need a damn prescription to get the medication! So if a medical doctor and a patient
decide to use the medication that is their decision! End of story. The medication has been in use for 50 plus years......
It's safe when taken as prescribed.

Here we go...... But Trump.... :doh
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you lost touch with this issue a long time ago
1. he pushed the drug to the public several times on tv
2. he forced the FDA to approve off label (untested) use on covid patients in NYC
3. he loudly announced he himself was taking it - further pushing its use

One Comment you say?
 
code1211 said:
The President is using the drug as prescribed by his doctor.

Are you intentionally misrepresenting this or just doing it by accident?
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His doctor did not recommend it; Trump pressured him into agreeing because he wanted to keep pushing it to the public
 
Doctors in India are using Hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 and for a nation of 1.3 billion people with poor sanitation services, the death toll there is far lower than in the US. Doesn't that make you wonder? My colleagues in India just told me that the lockdowns there are being gradually eased and thus far, there has been no tangible spike in infections.

Indian scientists have voiced out that this COVID-19 was a lab manufactured farce.
 
I feel sorry for all the people in New York who were fed this stuff by their governor.
 
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