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Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

Suicides have been going up for literally decades. We would need more evidence than anecdotal.

Fact checking Trump'''s claim about suicides if the economic shutdown continues - ABC News

However other deaths have dropped dramatically. Additionally we don't know that the increase wouldn't have happened with just the virus itself raging unabated. Some of the suicides we have info on indicate it is the virus causing mental stress more than the stay at home orders.

Do you think more deaths from the virus, plus deaths from normal causes that have gone way down, plus deaths from those who otherwise would have been saved wouldn't have lead to more suicides in itself?

This is another case of correlation is not causation in itself, especially since the virus itself, rather than the lock downs accounts for some of those suicides.

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Suicide is a very personal undertaking (pun not intentional). There are a few good reasons for doing it, and every reason is good enough for the deceased, but being temporarily broke is pretty weak.
 
lwf said:
Australia so far only has 103 confirmed COVID-19 deaths, and that is a projection. The US has a thousand times this number. Obviously, we don't want the cure to become worse than the disease. But it has not become worse than the disease anywhere in the world including Australia, and the US is in zero danger of this happening in the immediate future.

The human cost of COVID-19 is far worse than the human cost of the economic recession at this time. When that trend reverses, then we should focus on the economy. Not before.
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The human cost of the shutdown is far worst that the human cost of shutdown, including in human lives.
 
d0gbreath said:
Suicide is a very personal undertaking (pun not intentional). There are a few good reasons for doing it, and every reason is good enough for the deceased, but being temporarily broke is pretty weak.
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Be truthful: "Indefinitely impoverished with no money for anything - not food, not housing, not medical care, nothing - with no end in sight." "Temporarily broke" doesn't cover it. There is no such thing as temporarily dying of a heart attack, stroke or cancer for lack money for medical care or prescription drugs.
 
joko104 said:
Be truthful: "Indefinitely impoverished with no money for anything - not food, not housing, not medical care, nothing - with no end in sight." "Temporarily broke" doesn't cover it. There is no such thing as temporarily dying of a heart attack, stroke or cancer for lack money for medical care or prescription drugs.
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Been there, done that, multiple drawers full of T-shirts.

When Wall street crashed in 1929, impoverished, formally wealthy men were jumping from skyscraper windows. Stupid is as stupid does. Some people can't handle being broke. I'm not one of them.
 
It is 100% predictable most progressive Democrats will rant and sob the shut must last forever while the government sends them money so they can live a perfectly lazy ass couch potato life hiding from life in their homes. Of course they want the shutdown to last forever. Every totally lazy ass person does.
 
joko104 said:
[h=1]Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say[/h]
[FONT="]WALNUT CREEK, Calif. (KGO) -- Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen[/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][B][FONT="] more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the [/FONT]COVID-19 virus.

[/B][/SIZE]Coronavirus impact: Suicides on the rise amid shelter-in-place order, Bay Area medical professionals say - ABC7 San Francisco

That is just suicide deaths. Now add the massive number of other deaths caused by the shut down - plus deduct all the deliberate deaths ordered by some Democratic governors of the elderly in nursing homes.

How many ways have been found to kill off Americans by the shut down:

Deliberately infecting old people in nursing homes.
Forcing shoppers to either congregate in a few massive stores and/or from Amazon - shutting down mom and pop stores to force shoppers and employees as tightly and numerously together as possible.
Making it impossible for anyone to get their medical check ups - so heart issues, cancer and other issues not detected
Causing heart attacks and strokes by making breathing much more difficult by masks
Forcing 30,000,000 people in to zero income - and millions - including then family members - into total destitution, homelessness, lose of everything - and being unable to buy their prescription drugs they are life dependent on and unable to make the co-pay for lifesaving surgeries.
Add to this increased suicide given the shutdowns are indefinite and many governors - mostly Democratic governors - proven pathological liars promising opening dates - and the saying that was a lie and extending in again and again and again by which NO ONE can even try to plan their minimal survival.
Increasing teenage and adolescent suicides?

The shutdown has killed far more Americans than it has saved - and is killing higher numbers every day this continues - but we can't know how many in total the shut down has killed on government dictatorial decrees because denying cancer detection and therefore treatment in early stages can be a low-murder death sentence of the governors and mayors.
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One of the many costs of shutting down that no one wants to talk about or take into consideration.
Probably because it's more hidden and counters the chosen political narrative. :shrug:
 
The coronavirus itself, without any sort of mitigation of it, without stay at home orders can increase suicide rates. Having loved ones die, especially if you feel responsible (even if you're not) or that you were helpless to prevent it can increase suicide risk, which was more likely in a situation without the stay at home orders.

Suicides in Colorado dropped 40% during first 2 months of coronavirus pandemic — but calls to crisis line spiked

I have no doubt that suicides will likely increase although I hope very much I am wrong. However, this white/black, binary thinking of such a complex issue is very wrong. There is simply little way to know what is leading to each of the suicides, and how significant each factor was.

For instance, older woman, no kids, had a parttime job lost during the lock down but also had a husband who died from covid19 who was working, basically providing most of their economic support working from home. She commits suicide after his death. Was it because she lost her job or her husband? How do you know which was the bigger factor? Are those necessarily the only factors that could have led to her committing suicide?

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joko104 said:
[h=1]Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say[/h]
[FONT="]WALNUT CREEK, Calif. (KGO) -- Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen[/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][B][FONT="] more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the [/FONT]COVID-19 virus.

[/B][/SIZE]Coronavirus impact: Suicides on the rise amid shelter-in-place order, Bay Area medical professionals say - ABC7 San Francisco

That is just suicide deaths. Now add the massive number of other deaths caused by the shut down - plus deduct all the deliberate deaths ordered by some Democratic governors of the elderly in nursing homes.

How many ways have been found to kill off Americans by the shut down:

Deliberately infecting old people in nursing homes.
Forcing shoppers to either congregate in a few massive stores and/or from Amazon - shutting down mom and pop stores to force shoppers and employees as tightly and numerously together as possible.
Making it impossible for anyone to get their medical check ups - so heart issues, cancer and other issues not detected
Causing heart attacks and strokes by making breathing much more difficult by masks
Forcing 30,000,000 people in to zero income - and millions - including then family members - into total destitution, homelessness, lose of everything - and being unable to buy their prescription drugs they are life dependent on and unable to make the co-pay for lifesaving surgeries.
Add to this increased suicide given the shutdowns are indefinite and many governors - mostly Democratic governors - proven pathological liars promising opening dates - and the saying that was a lie and extending in again and again and again by which NO ONE can even try to plan their minimal survival.
Increasing teenage and adolescent suicides?

The shutdown has killed far more Americans than it has saved - and is killing higher numbers every day this continues - but we can't know how many in total the shut down has killed on government dictatorial decrees because denying cancer detection and therefore treatment in early stages can be a low-murder death sentence of the governors and mayors.
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I was posting about this WEEKS ago...
 
eohrnberger said:
One of the many costs of shutting down that no one wants to talk about or take into consideration.
Probably because it's more hidden and counters the chosen political narrative. :shrug:
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It is not just suicides... it is spousal abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse, people not making it to cancer appointments, surgeries being delayed and people dying, etc etc etc...
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is not just suicides... it is spousal abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse, people not making it to cancer appointments, surgeries being delayed and people dying, etc etc etc...
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Indeed it is.

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eohrnberger said:
One of the many costs of shutting down that no one wants to talk about or take into consideration.
Probably because it's more hidden and counters the chosen political narrative. :shrug:
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People have been talking about it. It is part of an everchanging cost/benefit analysis.

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lwf said:
The coronavirus has killed far more people than the shut down has, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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The reporting procedures and numbers are so inaccurate as to be meaningless.

You cannot say, and neither can the government, how many people died from Covid.

Dying with the virus present DOES NOT MEAN that the virus caused the death. Many dozens of healthcare whistleblowers have pointed that out, but they are mostly censored by media.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The reporting procedures and numbers are so inaccurate as to be meaningless.

You cannot say, and neither can the government, how many people died from Covid.

Dying with the virus present DOES NOT MEAN that the virus caused the death. Many dozens of healthcare whistleblowers have pointed that out, but they are mostly censored by media.
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Post it on Twitter or Facebook and get banned.

Twitter, Facebook and Google make the vast majority of their money off advertising. Local brick and mortar stores do not advertise nationally online. WalMart, Target, Amazon etct do.

So, totally motivated by profit, those richest people on earth will ban whoever interferes with the perpetual 24/7 bio-terrorism campaign to try to shut down all who are not major advertisers to shift more and more people to shopping only at national companies or companies selling nation or worldwide online.

Everything down SINGULARLY is for the profit and power of the richest people on earth.
 
Are these suicides being reported as Covid-19 related? They should be.
 
d0gbreath said:
Suicide is a very personal undertaking (pun not intentional). There are a few good reasons for doing it, and every reason is good enough for the deceased, but being temporarily broke is pretty weak.
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I suspect sometimes it's not just being broke, but that being an added factor to other issues; the last straw that broke the camel's back as it were. I remember back in 2008-2009, there were a lot of jumpers from one of the main NYC/NJ bridges; I happen to know because seeing the police and the coroner's truck by the river bank on my bike commute became a regular thing. That, of course, is just the ones that I happen to witness; I remember reading about the increase of jumpers and calls to place a barrier on the bridge's walkway to prevent it. They started with signs for places to call for help, and now there's a big fence and net all along the walkway.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I suspect sometimes it's not just being broke, but that being an added factor to other issues; the last straw that broke the camel's back as it were. I remember back in 2008-2009, there were a lot of jumpers from one of the main NYC/NJ bridges; I happen to know because seeing the police and the coroner's truck by the river bank on my bike commute became a regular thing. That, of course, is just the ones that I happen to witness; I remember reading about the increase of jumpers and calls to place a barrier on the bridge's walkway to prevent it. They started with signs for places to call for help, and now there's a big fence and net all along the walkway.
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The Golden Gate bridge is quite famous for jumpers. There was talk about building on a barrier fence to stop people from jumping but I'm pretty sure that they eventually decided not to build it. I read an interesting story from a guy that jumped (270 ft. to currents that carry you out to the sharks) and survived. He's no longer suicidal.
 
Thoreau72 said:
The reporting procedures and numbers are so inaccurate as to be meaningless.

You cannot say, and neither can the government, how many people died from Covid.

Dying with the virus present DOES NOT MEAN that the virus caused the death. Many dozens of healthcare whistleblowers have pointed that out, but they are mostly censored by media.
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I did a couple of big posts about Over-Reporting of Covid deaths... it was interesting to learn how and why this happens and interesting to see certain posters flat out deny it.
 
d0gbreath said:
The Golden Gate bridge is quite famous for jumpers. There was talk about building on a barrier fence to stop people from jumping but I'm pretty sure that they eventually decided not to build it. I read an interesting story from a guy that jumped (270 ft. to currents that carry you out to the sharks) and survived. He's no longer suicidal.
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Yeah... they spent 2 million looking into the idea of building a suicide proof fence on the bridge and then decided it was not feesible.

And yes... some people survive the fall.

"Since it was erected in 1937, more than 1700 people are estimated to have jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge, and just 25 are known to have survived"

how many people survive jumping off the golden gate - Google Search
 
roguenuke said:
People have been talking about it. It is part of an everchanging cost/benefit analysis.

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And so they should talk about it. However, doesn't seem to be the mainstream media's politically driven narrative to even allow that discussion.

No, their politically driven narrative is 're-open you're all gonna die!' seeming cheering for an ever increasing Wuhan virus death rate, and a distinct and noticeable lack of reporting of re-opening coinciding with falling positive test rates and results.

It's all rather disgusting, from the lamestream 'fake news' media.
 
joko104 said:
Post it on Twitter or Facebook and get banned.

Twitter, Facebook and Google make the vast majority of their money off advertising. Local brick and mortar stores do not advertise nationally online. WalMart, Target, Amazon etct do.

So, totally motivated by profit, those richest people on earth will ban whoever interferes with the perpetual 24/7 bio-terrorism campaign to try to shut down all who are not major advertisers to shift more and more people to shopping only at national companies or companies selling nation or worldwide online.

Everything down SINGULARLY is for the profit and power of the richest people on earth.
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You draw correct attention to the 'oh so fair' and 'oh so not politically driven' social media platforms, where only accepted speech and thoughts are allowed to be expressed. :roll:
 
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