Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

Thoreau72 said:

The reporting procedures and numbers are so inaccurate as to be meaningless.

You cannot say, and neither can the government, how many people died from Covid.

Dying with the virus present DOES NOT MEAN that the virus caused the death. Many dozens of healthcare whistleblowers have pointed that out, but they are mostly censored by media.

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lwf said:

This has been debunked over and over again. It is nothing more than a foolish conspiracy theory. No one is censored by the media. At worst, people pushing obvious nonsense or propaganda are simply ignored.

Healthcare workers are not all in on some huge liberal conspiracy. If a doctor determines a cause of death was from COVID-19, then COVID-19 was the cause of death. Period.

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Thoreau72 said:

This is a false statement you make. I have personally viewed a dozen or more video interviews from healthcare professionals, doctors and nurses, in the US and in England, who have talked about the classification of deaths, especially false attribution to covid as cause of death.

The conspiracy theory seems to be the one you embrace, the idea that if the death numbers grow, the public remains fearful. That is good for Big Pharma and more.

You don't get it, and I'm perfectly fine with that. eace

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lwf said:

Those are called statistical outliers. I have personally viewed well over a dozen videos from eyewitnesses who claim that space aliens are in control of the planet through government manipulation around the world. I don't believe these videos because I realize that those several dozen eyewitnesses represent a few extreme outliers and that 99.9% of people who would know find the very idea laughable and can explain in terms even a layman can understand why their claims are bogus and why even their very logic is flawed.

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eohrnberger said:

And so they should talk about it. However, doesn't seem to be the mainstream media's politically driven narrative to even allow that discussion.

No, their politically driven narrative is 're-open you're all gonna die!' seeming cheering for an ever increasing Wuhan virus death rate, and a distinct and noticeable lack of reporting of re-opening coinciding with falling positive test rates and results.

It's all rather disgusting, from the lamestream 'fake news' media.

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roguenuke said:

Really?

Coronavirus: '''Perfect storm''' for suicide risk as job losses soar and people are isolated

Is the Pandemic Sparking Suicide? - The New York Times

Suicide Prevention Aims To Get Ahead Of Pandemic's Added Pressures : Shots - Health News : NPR

75,000 Americans at risk of dying from overdose or suicide due to coronavirus despair, group warns - CNN

There are hundreds more stories like these. So who else and how often are they supposed to talk about it, in your opinion?

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eohrnberger said:

Hardly a mention in broadcast media. Perhaps I should have been more specific about that. The broadcast media has a distinct pro-lock down lean, it would appear. This is what I more had in mind when posting.

Sorry for being too imprecise.

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roguenuke said:

So they arent discussing something that isnt really news but rather commentary on things that could possibly happen and that are depressing on the broadcast news and that translates to it isnt being discussed?

Basically you moved the goal posts when it was shown you were wrong.

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Broadcast news doesn't have to discuss it for it to be in the news. Others , in a more appropriate forum are discussing it.

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eohrnberger said:

I'll admit that it may appear as 'move the goal posts', but add it was to add further specificity.

A violation? I dunno. :shrug:
How does one predict how a thread discussion evolves? When further specificity lends to greater clarity?



OK, fair.

However, I still maintain, isn't it interesting to note how absent that particular topic of discussion is in broadcast media?
Very much in contrast to what is apparently is a pro-lock down, pro-economic damage narrative being pushed?

The perception is very much a 'Lock down and obey your betters!' lean, in typical liberal / progressive arrogance (which most of them appear to be), but it really isn't news that the 'News' is pushing political narratives, is it? This is just the latest one.

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roguenuke said:

Because you did move them. It is being discussed, just not in a medium where likely would not benefit the populace anyway. I'm not a fan of 24 hour broadcast news or commentary, from any channel. It leads to obsessive reporting.

Suicide in these situations is not something anyone truly wants to hear about or bring up as a story more than "the tragedy" of individual, specific suicides when it comes to showing it on TV. And it is much more complex than "people lose their jobs, lose money, commit suicide". Which is why written, posted stories are a mich better medium to discuss suicides. It allows for more in depth discussion.

The rest is your opinion.

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joko104 said:

Deduct those killed by being infected with covid-19 while otherwise would not have been. You forgot to do that. OR explain your theory of why ordering infected people be put into nursing homes for poor elderly people over the objection of the management saved lives? Try to explain how you save lives deliberately infecting poor elderly people in nursing homes.

At least you sub silentio in your message don't give a damn about how many people, including kids, commit suicide.

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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HennyBogan said:

Estimates from the health dept in Australia say that deaths resulting from shut downs will be 10X actual virus deaths!

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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HennyBogan said:

Australia's suicide rate could surge due to economic fallout of coronavirus | SBS News

More Deaths From Suicides In Lockdown Than From Coronavirus | GreatGameIndia

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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HennyBogan said:

More interesting in that is more women make an attempt, and obviously fail! But that of course is a US study!

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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joko104 said:

Be truthful: "Indefinitely impoverished with no money for anything - not food, not housing, not medical care, nothing - with no end in sight." "Temporarily broke" doesn't cover it. There is no such thing as temporarily dying of a heart attack, stroke or cancer for lack money for medical care or prescription drugs.

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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joko104 said:

[h=1]Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say[/h]
[FONT="]WALNUT CREEK, Calif. (KGO) -- Doctors at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek say they have seen[/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][B][FONT="] more deaths by suicide during this quarantine period than deaths from the [/FONT]COVID-19 virus.

[/B][/SIZE]Coronavirus impact: Suicides on the rise amid shelter-in-place order, Bay Area medical professionals say - ABC7 San Francisco

That is just suicide deaths. Now add the massive number of other deaths caused by the shut down - plus deduct all the deliberate deaths ordered by some Democratic governors of the elderly in nursing homes.

How many ways have been found to kill off Americans by the shut down:

Deliberately infecting old people in nursing homes.
Forcing shoppers to either congregate in a few massive stores and/or from Amazon - shutting down mom and pop stores to force shoppers and employees as tightly and numerously together as possible.
Making it impossible for anyone to get their medical check ups - so heart issues, cancer and other issues not detected
Causing heart attacks and strokes by making breathing much more difficult by masks
Forcing 30,000,000 people in to zero income - and millions - including then family members - into total destitution, homelessness, lose of everything - and being unable to buy their prescription drugs they are life dependent on and unable to make the co-pay for lifesaving surgeries.
Add to this increased suicide given the shutdowns are indefinite and many governors - mostly Democratic governors - proven pathological liars promising opening dates - and the saying that was a lie and extending in again and again and again by which NO ONE can even try to plan their minimal survival.
Increasing teenage and adolescent suicides?

The shutdown has killed far more Americans than it has saved - and is killing higher numbers every day this continues - but we can't know how many in total the shut down has killed on government dictatorial decrees because denying cancer detection and therefore treatment in early stages can be a low-murder death sentence of the governors and mayors.

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joko104 said:

It is 100% predictable most progressive Democrats will rant and sob the shut must last forever while the government sends them money so they can live a perfectly lazy ass couch potato life hiding from life in their homes. Of course they want the shutdown to last forever. Every totally lazy ass person does.

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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