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Trump Team Killed Rule Designed To Protect Health Workers From Pandemic

joko104 said:
No you don't. Black unemployment was at record lows until the shutdown - which you demand continue on and on and on.
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Record lows but still high compared to white unemployment.
 
Moot said:
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so I take it you are okay with Trump's irresponsible action....screw the workers
 
ldsrptcvt said:
so I take it you are okay with Trump's irresponsible action....screw the workers
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^ Interpretation: Shut down all hospitals so they can be lazyasses hiding in their homes waiting for government checks like most progressives demand for themselves.
 
Moot said:
Trump took credit for it...

“Let’s say it was a million people. So, we’re going to lose 65,000 people, which is horrendous, but way way below even the low number estimate because we shut down and we did a very good job,” Trump told WBAP’s Roberts.

President Trump explained that he had a difficult time coming around to making the decision to shut down.

“I was not easy to talk into, you know when they say close it down, and you realize throughout history it’s the one thing, you close areas down and we had to do it,” Trump said.

https://www.wbap.com/2020/05/01/trump-on-wbap-defends-temporarily-shutting-down-economy/​
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So? The only thing shut down by President Trump was the national borders, which Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders both wanted to keep open.
 
Moot said:
Perhaps you should've started a new thread instead of posting the link to black and hispanic unemployment.

Black unemployment was higher than it was for whites in October 2019...and they're only 13% of the population. And now it's even higher than it was during the recession.
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When I said you should start a new thread, I was being serious - not sarcastic or anything

This is a really important topic, and I believe what you just posted is true, but it has nothing to do with the pandemic, so we can't really get into it on this thread

If you want me to, I'll start a thread in the news section about black unemployment numbers and racial disparity, but I'm not sure I'm the guy with the most data about this
 
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joko104 said:
^ Interpretation: Shut down all hospitals so they can be lazyasses hiding in their homes waiting for government checks like most progressives demand for themselves.
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you are so out of it - the thread is about Trump blocking regulations to keep health employers from cheating
 
Moot said:
In fact, I can't think of one thing that conservatives are for or against that isn't meant to suppress the black population and prevent them from being their equals...be it voting, healthcare, jobs, housing, education, opportunities...you name it conservatives are against it if it helps blacks obtain equality and succeed.
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I don't mind starting a new thread about this if you want me to - it's a heavy topic, can't be discussed quickly in a thread about Trump and hospital equipment

Regardless of how true it is, if this is the perception of conservatives by the black community, conservatives need to do something about it
 
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ldsrptcvt said:
you are so out of it - the thread is about Trump blocking regulations to keep health employers from cheating
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Sorry to keep bringing this up, but does anyone have info on the actual bill the article is talking about? It could have been a string attached to a bill about releasing prisons from jail, we have no idea
 
ldsrptcvt said:
you are so out of it - the thread is about Trump blocking regulations to keep health employers from cheating
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No, it is about requiring hospitals to prove PPEs they don't have in sufficient quantity because there are not that many. Therefore, the hospitals would have to shut down. That's the goal.

Democrat lawyers in Congress thinking they are clever pretending to be doctors and that they give a damn.

The law that should be passed is outlawing governors ordering nursing homes with poor elderly people be infected with covid-19 by ordering they take in covid-19 positive people no matter how much the nursing home management opposed it. And you totally approve of the Democrat governors who did so, don't you? Not ONE message by you criticizing them is there?
 
ReubenSherr said:
Sorry to keep bringing this up, but does anyone have info on the actual bill the article is talking about? It could have been a string attached to a bill about releasing prisons from jail, we have no idea
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Or more money for members of Congress to get a raise, outlawing deportations, paying off everyone's car payments, a hundred million more to Planned Parenthood, allowing people to vote for other people and online...
 
joko104 said:
So? The only thing shut down by President Trump was the national borders, which Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders both wanted to keep open.
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Trump took credit for shutting down the economy, too.
 
joko104 said:
No, it is about requiring hospitals to prove PPEs they don't have in sufficient quantity because there are not that many. Therefore, the hospitals would have to shut down. That's the goal.

Democrat lawyers in Congress thinking they are clever pretending to be doctors and that they give a damn.

The law that should be passed is outlawing governors ordering nursing homes with poor elderly people be infected with covid-19 by ordering they take in covid-19 positive people no matter how much the nursing home management opposed it. And you totally approve of the Democrat governors who did so, don't you? Not ONE message by you criticizing them is there?
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no, hospitals were lying about their supplies and making workers wear things repeatedly so they wouldn't get an infraction. This is why we need regulations - Americans do **** work if they are left alone. They need a "nanny" state because they behave like children.
 
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ReubenSherr said:
Sorry to keep bringing this up, but does anyone have info on the actual bill the article is talking about? It could have been a string attached to a bill about releasing prisons from jail, we have no idea
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This was not a bill in congress. It was an existing OSHA regulation that Trump got rid of.
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"Instead, the decision appeared to be part of a wider effort to cut regulations and bureaucratic oversight."Earlier this year we set a target of adding zero new regulatory costs onto the American economy," Trump said in December 2017. "As a result, the never-ending growth of red tape in America has come to a sudden, screeching and beautiful halt." The impact on the federal effort to protect health care workers from diseases such as COVID-19 was immediate. "The infectious disease standard was put on the back burner. Work stopped," said Michaels, now a professor at George Washington University."

The effect was less protection for healthcare workers (we know Trump doesn't give a **** about workers) and many of their deaths might have been prevented.

some red tape is necessary - leave it to Trump to throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
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ldsrptcvt said:
This was not a bill in congress. It was an existing OSHA regulation that Trump got rid of.
from the article:
"Instead, the decision appeared to be part of a wider effort to cut regulations and bureaucratic oversight."Earlier this year we set a target of adding zero new regulatory costs onto the American economy," Trump said in December 2017. "As a result, the never-ending growth of red tape in America has come to a sudden, screeching and beautiful halt." The impact on the federal effort to protect health care workers from diseases such as COVID-19 was immediate. "The infectious disease standard was put on the back burner. Work stopped," said Michaels, now a professor at George Washington University."

The effect was less protection for healthcare workers (we know Trump doesn't give a **** about workers) and many of their deaths might have been prevented.

some red tape is necessary - leave it to Trump to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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This is what the original poster typed:
"In mid-May House Democrats passed a bill that would mandate healthcare employers provide the highest level of PPE, not the lowest.

The Senate Republicans have blocked the measure. Donald Trump said he would veto such a law. Think long and hard about that mindset by Trump and the GOP."

Are you saying that the OP misinterpreted the article? (Sincere question, not sarcastic lol)
 
ReubenSherr said:
This is what the original poster typed:
"In mid-May House Democrats passed a bill that would mandate healthcare employers provide the highest level of PPE, not the lowest.

The Senate Republicans have blocked the measure. Donald Trump said he would veto such a law. Think long and hard about that mindset by Trump and the GOP."

Are you saying that the OP misinterpreted the article? (Sincere question, not sarcastic lol)
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It's hard to say. The article doesn't mention any bill; they said

"Federal records reviewed by NPR show OSHA went step by step through that process for six years, and by early 2016 the new infectious disease rule was ready. The Obama White House formally added it to a list of regulations scheduled to be implemented in 2017.

Then came the presidential election.

An emphasis on deregulation

In the spring of 2017, the Trump team formally stripped OSHA's airborne infectious disease rule from the regulatory agenda. NPR could find no indication the new administration had specific policy concerns about the infectious disease rules."

The OP was vague about some mid-May bill - I don't even know what year it was.
But the bolded sentence above makes it sound like Trump just pulled it off the "agenda".
 
ldsrptcvt said:
It's hard to say. The article doesn't mention any bill; they said

"Federal records reviewed by NPR show OSHA went step by step through that process for six years, and by early 2016 the new infectious disease rule was ready. The Obama White House formally added it to a list of regulations scheduled to be implemented in 2017.

Then came the presidential election.

An emphasis on deregulation

In the spring of 2017, the Trump team formally stripped OSHA's airborne infectious disease rule from the regulatory agenda. NPR could find no indication the new administration had specific policy concerns about the infectious disease rules."

The OP was vague about some mid-May bill - I don't even know what year it was.
But the bolded sentence above makes it sound like Trump just pulled it off the "agenda".
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Lol this thread is a mess, then:mrgreen:

So, assuming there's no bill, and the OP misinterpreted the article, the accusation is that the Obama administration started work on infectious disease regulations, and that the Trump administration scrapped those plans in 2017

The only source listed, though, is an official from the Obama administration, and the NPR source is purposely using vague language (i. e. "found no indication") to cover him/herself, so I have no clue how to evaluate all this...

There are tons of scenarios that could've gone on here, including Trump not even being told about any of this
 
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AmNat said:
Liberals relate to regulations the same way addicts relate to oxycodone. It's not enough to have the same amount as before, they always need more and more to get the same high.
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You don't know what liberal means. That makes your post garbage.
But you're used to your posts being treated as garbage.
 
OSHA is weird about masks. After taking samples all day by putting air quality monitoring devices all around the facility, the result was their instructing that the employees we had wearing masks (true bio/chemical hazard masks) had to stop wearing them. The air quality was so good there was no need for them - and masks restrict breathing than can harm a person, cloud a person's thinking, and cause a health incident.

It was odd that the only negative in the detailed OSHA inspection resulted in being informed to stop having the employees wear masks for most tasks. That lead me to explore the risks of wearing masks for the first time, and I learned they were correct. Masks restrict a person's breathing, increases their heart rate and blood pressure, and even diminish their mental capacity by reducing oxygen to their brain and increasing the blood level of co2. The more effective the mask for protection, the greater and more likely it will harm the person - temporarily or permanently.
 
It took 8 years to draft these proposed regulations? BS. Besides, there are no COVID 19 cases or deaths in Franklin County, here. We don't need 50 ventilators. Of course, we also have enough sense to not send COVID 19 patients to nursing homes. Maybe someone should draft that rule and send it to Cuomo.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Lol this thread is a mess, then:mrgreen:

So, assuming there's no bill, and the OP misinterpreted the article, the accusation is that the Obama administration started work on infectious disease regulations, and that the Trump administration scrapped those plans in 2017

The only source listed, though, is an official from the Obama administration, and the NPR source is purposely using vague language (i. e. "found no indication") to cover him/herself, so I have no clue how to evaluate all this...

There are tons of scenarios that could've gone on here, including Trump not even being told about any of this
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well he knows now - will he reverse the decision? Of course not.
 
ldsrptcvt said:
this thing isn't over and there are more coming
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Do you have any more specific info on the OHSA "Infectious Disease Rule" that the Obama administration official accused the Trump administration of scrapping? I was assuming that at this point, all this has been sorted out at the state and local levels, and that there was no longer an issue of the Feds having to intervene
 
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