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US passes 100,000

ElChupacabra said:
The way it was phrased wasn't clear; it's why using "you" for groups needs to be clarified.



It's why no one from "the left" has ever made anything of themselves, right?



The Federal government isn't putting masks on people; they're issuing guidelines which the states are following based on the criteria defined in those guidelines. Personal responsibility without a plan for how to handle those who aren't responsible isn't a good plan at all. Would you prefer the federal government just remain quiet during the next pandemic and just let people figure it out for themselves based on what information they gather?





Why do we have that low infection rate?
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The states have the right to control what goes on in their states and the fact that they are adhering or supposedly adhering to federal guidelines doesn't delegate responsibility to the federal bureaucrats as you can never delegate responsibility as that remains at the state and local level

Why do we have such a low infection rate? Wonder if it has anything to do with better immune systems and people actually practicing social distancing as well as Trump's action to shutdown the economy?
 
ElChupacabra said:
No, it isn't. Testing determines how many infected people you have; from that data you can determine the effectiveness of social distancing measures. If your idea is that it's pointless to have one without the other, then you clearly don't understand why that data is important regardless of the measures in place.
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Yes, it determines how many infected people we have, how many times a day do you want people to be tested? My comments are logical and common sense, yours are emotion driven and make no sense unless you expect people to be tested many times a day
 
chuckiechan said:
I expected someone to break out the song “Look at the Sunny Side”.
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When things look bad, put your lips together and whistle "always look on the bright side of life." :)

 
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Conservative said:
Yes, it determines how many infected people we have, how many times a day do you want people to be tested? My comments are logical and common sense, yours are emotion driven and make no sense unless you expect people to be tested many times a day
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"Common sense" if that area of common knowledge doesn't include the point of wide scale testing data to establish a baseline of infected people. Clearly, there will always be a risk of people being exposed to others after their initial test, but without that baseline you don't know the extent of the spread.
 
ElChupacabra said:
"Common sense" if that area of common knowledge doesn't include the point of wide scale testing data to establish a baseline of infected people. Clearly, there will always be a risk of people being exposed to others after their initial test, but without that baseline you don't know the extent of the spread.
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What is preventing your state from doing that? Why is this a federal responsibility?
 
trixare4kids said:
We're not a bunch of crazy commies, so we'll do fine, but thanks anyway.
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Observation: those who most are sucking up to the shut down orders, and most chiding those of us who think that the nanny state has been a bit excessive in terms of its reaction to this Chinese Viral issue, are also the ones most supportive of the mass demonstrations that are constantly VIOLATING the social gathering restrictions
 
Conservative said:
The states have the right to control what goes on in their states and the fact that they are adhering or supposedly adhering to federal guidelines doesn't delegate responsibility to the federal bureaucrats as you can never delegate responsibility as that remains at the state and local level
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Yes, but since diseases don't really care about state boundaries, someone has to keep an eye on the bigger picture. It's why we have federal agencies; not to micromanage every aspect, but to provide guidance and support to national issues.

Why do we have such a low infection rate? Wonder if it has anything to do with better immune systems and people actually practicing social distancing as well as Trump's action to shutdown the economy?
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It could also be the actions taken to implement and enforce social distancing measures.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yes, but since diseases don't really care about state boundaries, someone has to keep an eye on the bigger picture. It's why we have federal agencies; not to micromanage every aspect, but to provide guidance and support to national issues.



It could also be the actions taken to implement and enforce social distancing measures.
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Why don't you do yourself a favor, stay home, don't go to the beach, quarantine yourself and stop worrying about others, your responsibility is to your family and no one else.
 
Conservative said:
What is preventing your state from doing that? Why is this a federal responsibility?
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So essentially your position is that in a national emergency, rather than having a unified response addressing the broader threats, it's best to just let everyone sort this out on their own? How do you then effectively manage the consequences that are interconnected between states?
 
Conservative said:
Why don't you do yourself a favor, stay home, don't go to the beach, quarantine yourself and stop worrying about others, your responsibility is to your family and no one else.
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Thanks for the advice, but since this is a political forum, the idea is to debate issues. You seem to worry about the ideological beliefs of others, so you could follow your own advice in this regard.
 
ElChupacabra said:
So essentially your position is that in a national emergency, rather than having a unified response addressing the broader threats, it's best to just let everyone sort this out on their own? How do you then effectively manage the consequences that are interconnected between states?
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Unified response? You don't like Trump, wouldn't believe a word he says so where is that national response support? Post 233 is your answer
 
ElChupacabra said:
Thanks for the advice, but since this is a political forum, the idea is to debate issues. You seem to worry about the ideological beliefs of others, so you could follow your own advice in this regard.
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No, I point out the biases against Trump based on the fraudulent ideology called liberalism and from people like you who want us to believe that you really care about others and would force your ideology on them with scare tactics and federal mandates, typical liberalism claiming to be compassionate when it is all about control

your state is a fiscal and social nightmare, suggest you clean that state up first before attempting to solve national problems, Your state, NY, California and Illinois have no business focused on national issues with your own problems staring you in the face
 
Conservative said:
No, I point out the biases against Trump based on the fraudulent ideology called liberalism and from people like you who want us to believe that you really care about others and would force your ideology on them with scare tactics and federal mandates, typical liberalism claiming to be compassionate when it is all about control
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:lamo

How am I forcing my ideology on anyone? I vote for whomever I feel represents my interests the same way you do. You are more adamant about ideology than I am.
your state is a fiscal and social nightmare, suggest you clean that state up first before attempting to solve national problems, Your state, NY, California and Illinois have no business focused on national issues with your own problems staring you in the face
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Then based on your premise, I guess this disqualifies people from other states which aren't faring well either. Maybe citizens in poorly run red states shouldn't have any opinions on anything outside their borders either?

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Conservative said:
Unified response? You don't like Trump, wouldn't believe a word he says so where is that national response support? Post 233 is your answer
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Because I may not like a president doesn't mean I would disagree with everything that person does. The problem is he does and says a lot of stupid things that usually cancel out anything positive.
 
ElChupacabra said:
:lamo

How am I forcing my ideology on anyone? I vote for whomever I feel represents my interests the same way you do. You are more adamant about ideology than I am.


Then based on your premise, I guess this disqualifies people from other states which aren't faring well either. Maybe citizens in poorly run red states shouldn't have any opinions on anything outside their borders either?

:shrug:
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Not at all, issues cross state lines, when are you going to start discussing them, this is today's Democratic Party refute the content?

New Democrat Campaign "Ad" - YouTube
 
ElChupacabra said:
Because I may not like a president doesn't mean I would disagree with everything that person does. The problem is he does and says a lot of stupid things that usually cancel out anything positive.
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Results matter to most people not you where rhetoric trumps results
 
Conservative said:
Not at all, issues cross state lines, when are you going to start discussing them, this is today's Democratic Party refute the content?

New Democrat Campaign "Ad" - YouTube
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:lamo

God that was stupid. This is the same kind of crap that helps people view each other as monoliths versus the more nuanced reality; one where there will be a wide variety of opinions on a variety of issues within political parties. Do all Democrats think alike? Nope. No more then all Republicans share the same opinion on all issues. Of course if one wants to take the intellectually lazy approach, applying with a broad brush is the way to go.
 
ElChupacabra said:
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God that was stupid. This is the same kind of crap that helps people view each other as monoliths versus the more nuanced reality; one where there will be a wide variety of opinions on a variety of issues within political parties. Do all Democrats think alike? Nope. No more then all Republicans share the same opinion on all issues. Of course if one wants to take the intellectually lazy approach, applying with a broad brush is the way to go.
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LOL, stupid why? tell me what in that video doesn't define the liberal ideology and platform? You can't therefore run off and divert from reality
 
Conservative said:
Results matter to most people not you where rhetoric trumps results
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:lamo

But that's not really it though. You're just tone deaf to anything else and seem to advocate a standard that what an individual says and does has no bearing if the desired results are obtained.
 
Conservative said:
LOL, stupid why? tell me what in that video doesn't define the liberal ideology and platform? You can't therefore run off and divert from reality
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Are you going to tell me you take that kind of crap seriously? I find it comical that you complain about stoking fear, then present this kind of material as an example.

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ElChupacabra said:
Are you going to tell me you take that kind of crap seriously? I find it comical that you complain about stoking fear, then present this kind of material as an example.

:slapme:
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Fear?? LOL, is that what you got out of the video? Why would that stoke fear? It has me convinced, who wouldn't want that utopia?
 
Conservative said:
Fear?? LOL, is that what you got out of the video? Why would that stoke fear? It has me convinced, who wouldn't want that utopia?
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No, I thought it was just a smarmy and over simplistic way to juxtapose Democratic Party agendas to Republican ones. That you don't get that the purpose is to stoke devision by presenting information in a particular way explains why you would repost it.
 
ElChupacabra said:
No, I thought it was just a smarmy and over simplistic way to juxtapose Democratic Party agendas to Republican ones. That you don't get that the purpose is to stoke devision by presenting information in a particular way explains why you would repost it.
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Since some people appear to have forgotten (or simply don't want to be reminded of) what the topic of the thread is (or simply don't want to be reminded of reality) here are three tables (see below).

The third table has some rather unsettling analysis of how the US is coping with COVID-19 (see the "Average" columns) and some equally interesting analysis of how the G-8 (yes, I know it no longer exists) + China are faring against the US.
 

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Majority of 100 000 dead died in dems state

What does dems thinks of that?

How is that still Trumps fault and not Bidens fault?
 
Thazgor said:
Majority of 100 000 dead died in dems state

What does dems thinks of that?

How is that still Trumps fault and not Bidens fault?
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Congrats on figuring out a keyboard.

You might not be aware, but Biden isn’t in charge of anything right now.

Check back Jan 21st.
 
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