US passes 100,000

Eriech said:

The current crisis has nothing to do with Covid at this point and it is being ignored and hidden to a great extent.

Fear is the virus

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Absolutely. You have finally got it. If everyone completely ignores COVID-19 then they won't be afraid of it and the economy will boom. That will prove that no one is dying from COVID-19 and, since no one is dying from COVID-19 that proves that Mr. Trump beat it single-handedly the way that he said he would.

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apdst said:

Again, because you have fewer cases, because you have fewer people. :lamo

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It isn't considered polite to laugh at your own jokes.

However, I do agree that "you have fewer cases, because you have fewer people." IS incredibly laughable.

TU Curmudgeon said:

Absolutely. You have finally got it. If everyone completely ignores COVID-19 then they won't be afraid of it and the economy will boom. That will prove that no one is dying from COVID-19 and, since no one is dying from COVID-19 that proves that Mr. Trump beat it single-handedly the way that he said he would.

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Actually on this issue Obama did a better job with the H1N1.......he did nothing.

Trump listened to the experts. He was rolled. I believe he knows it.

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Eriech said:

Actually on this issue Obama did a better job with the H1N1.......he did nothing.

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The total number of H1N1 deaths in the US was just over 12,000 (and that was over the entire course of the epidemic). The US passed that mark roughly 20 days after the 100[sup]th[/sup] COVID-19 death.

The odds that COVID-19 will end up being an order of magnitude more severe than H1N1 are pretty damn good (which IS depressing).

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Eriech said:

Trump listened to the experts. He was rolled. I believe he knows it.

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I fully agree that Mr. Trump "knows" whatever it is that makes him look good.

TU Curmudgeon said:

The total number of H1N1 deaths in the US was just over 12,000 (and that was over the entire course of the epidemic). The US passed that mark roughly 20 days after the 100[sup]th[/sup] COVID-19 death.

The odds that COVID-19 will end up being an order of magnitude more severe than H1N1 are pretty damn good (which IS depressing).

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The 2009 H1N1 pandemic originated in the United States before spreading around the world, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). A later study suggested it was first diagnosed in humans in Mexico.
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I fully agree that Mr. Trump "knows" whatever it is that makes him look good.

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So as a Trump supporter who thinks Obama handled a pandemic better, your arguing that I am wrong?

A review in hind sight is not the same as making decisions with information available. Trump was rolled by the experts but I support his efforts to Make America Free Again and will vote for him to keep America great.

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Eriech said:

So as a Trump supporter who thinks Obama handled a pandemic better, your arguing that I am wrong?

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Nope, just pointing out that different situations require different solutions. In the case of H1N1 (or "Yankee Flu" if you want to follow the "Trumpist Line" [which I don't]) "doing nothing" when compared to what should have been done with respect to COVID-19 was, indeed, the correct action.

However, to say that Mr. Obama "did nothing" without putting it into perspective creates a false impression.

Eriech said:

A review in hind sight is not the same as making decisions with information available. Trump was rolled by the experts ...

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In my opinion, those "experts" were of the same level of expertise as the "experts" who told Mr. Bush that "Iraq has vast stockpiles of WMD - AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE HIDDEN.". In short they weren't "experts" at all, but rather were ideologues who were pushing their own agenda. The "experts" that Mr. Trump ignored were the people who were actually trained and working in the field who were telling him something that he didn't want to hear.

Eriech said:

. . . but I support his efforts to Make America Free Again . . .

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When did America STOP being free? I must not have gotten the memo. Can you send me a copy?

Eriech said:

. . . and will vote for him to keep America great.

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And other people will be voting for Mr. Biden to keep America great - won't they?

Hopefully one of those two will manage to raise the US from 15[sup]th[/sup] to 11[sup]th[/sup] so that only New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Luxembourg (tied in 6th place), Finland and Germany (tied in 8th place), and Ireland rank high on the Human Freedom Index or to raise its Freedom Score from 86 (putting it into 51[sup]st[/sup] place) to 96 so that it only ranks 12[sup]th[/sup].

However, given the past practice of both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, I much fear that whichever of those two gentlemen is elected to the office of President of the United States of America will face absolutely nothing but obstructionism from the legislators from the opposite party REGARDLESS of what they want to see done.

I won't go so far as to say that the partisans of those two will actually engage in ORGANIZED armed conflict REGARDLESS of the outcome, but I will say that seeing DISORGANIZED armed violence break out wouldn't use up more than half of my "Surprise" crayon.

TU Curmudgeon said:

Nope, just pointing out that different situations require different solutions. In the case of H1N1 (or "Yankee Flu" if you want to follow the "Trumpist Line" [which I don't]) "doing nothing" when compared to what should have been done with respect to COVID-19 was, indeed, the correct action.

However, to say that Mr. Obama "did nothing" without putting it into perspective creates a false impression.



In my opinion, those "experts" were of the same level of expertise as the "experts" who told Mr. Bush that "Iraq has vast stockpiles of WMD - AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE HIDDEN.". In short they weren't "experts" at all, but rather were ideologues who were pushing their own agenda. The "experts" that Mr. Trump ignored were the people who were actually trained and working in the field who were telling him something that he didn't want to hear.



When did America STOP being free? I must not have gotten the memo. Can you send me a copy?



And other people will be voting for Mr. Biden to keep America great - won't they?

Hopefully one of those two will manage to raise the US from 15[sup]th[/sup] to 11[sup]th[/sup] so that only New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Luxembourg (tied in 6th place), Finland and Germany (tied in 8th place), and Ireland rank high on the Human Freedom Index or to raise its Freedom Score from 86 (putting it into 51[sup]st[/sup] place) to 96 so that it only ranks 12[sup]th[/sup].

However, given the past practice of both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, I much fear that whichever of those two gentlemen is elected to the office of President of the United States of America will face absolutely nothing but obstructionism from the legislators from the opposite party REGARDLESS of what they want to see done.

I won't go so far as to say that the partisans of those two will actually engage in ORGANIZED armed conflict REGARDLESS of the outcome, but I will say that seeing DISORGANIZED armed violence break out wouldn't use up more than half of my "Surprise" crayon.

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I am doing this from my phone so pardon my ability to quote you more precisely.

Hind sight is 20/20. Trump acted before the first death in the US and no one was ever denied a ventilator or hospitalization. Hospitals were overwhelmed during H1N1. 14 days to flatten the curve we were told. Then 30 days then 60 days now we are just waiting. In hindsight Obama was lucky, no actually we were lucky, that Obama wasted a crisis.

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Conservative said:

Your hatred of Trump is cult like, what exactly has he done to hurt you, your family, or the country? You keep focused on what you are being told and keep ignoring the official results. I don't thumb my nose at 100,000 deaths but will continue to point out there are 328 MILLION Americans in this country, a number you want to ignore as well as the freedoms we have in this country that you are willing to take away with scare tactics. You really are married to hte liberal ideology, why, dependence or income?

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The OP is of the most displeasing fact of the 100,000 dead due to the coronavirus. I’m pointing out that Trump shows his disdain for those who have died by not even bothering with lowering the American flag to half-mast to honor those who have died. And, that people like you support Trump in His indecency and yourselves show contempt for any such honoring of the dead. I guess as long as we have hundreds of millions in pop, most any number of dead as low as 100K is insignificant and not worthy of any recognition. You don’t care. I do. Maybe if Trump showed care, you would too. That is what makes Trump a leader to hate. He is purposely divisive when all He has to do is join everyone’s arms together for a moment of respect of those who have died to unite us for a minute. But Trump cares only for Himself. He wouldn’t dare place 100,000 dead above Himself. He takes away from me even the chance at one shared moment of easily uniting Americans, even if for just a minute.

bluesmoke said:

The OP is of the most displeasing fact of the 100,000 dead due to the coronavirus. I’m pointing out that Trump shows his disdain for those who have died by not even bothering with lowering the American flag to half-mast to honor those who have died. And, that people like you support Trump in His indecency and yourselves show contempt for any such honoring of the dead. I guess as long as we have hundreds of millions in pop, most any number of dead as low as 100K is insignificant and not worthy of any recognition. You don’t care. I do. Maybe if Trump showed care, you would too. That is what makes Trump a leader to hate. He is purposely divisive when all He has to do is join everyone’s arms together for a moment of respect of those who have died to unite us for a minute. But Trump cares only for Himself. He wouldn’t dare place 100,000 dead above Himself. He takes away from me even the chance at one shared moment of easily uniting Americans, even if for just a minute.

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You maybe one of the more poorly informed posters in this forum and that is quite a stretch. Your hatred for Trump has blinded you to reality. Yours continues to be emotional rhetoric and opinions based upon total ignorance of this issue.

President Trump Orders Flags To Fly At Half-Staff As U.S. Mourns Nearly 100,000 Dead : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

Eriech said:

I am doing this from my phone so pardon my ability to quote you more precisely.

Hind sight is 20/20. Trump acted before the first death in the US and no one was ever denied a ventilator or hospitalization. Hospitals were overwhelmed during H1N1. 14 days to flatten the curve we were told. Then 30 days then 60 days now we are just waiting. In hindsight Obama was lucky, no actually we were lucky, that Obama wasted a crisis.

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I must admit to severe caffine deficiency because I simply cannot understand what you are attempting to say. It appears that you are attempting to say that what Mr. Obama did was wrong and that everything that Mr. Trump did was exactly the right thing to do. Somehow that doesn't quite square with your earlier posts as I recall them.

PS - You might find the fact that I am now forced to put the US data into the same category as the Chinese data due to what appear to be reasonably well documented deliberate manipulations of that data for what most certainly looks like political aims interesting - or not.

Conservative said:

5/27/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1717077 100259 5.8%

Spain 283849 27118 9.6%

Italy 230555 32955 14.3%

England 267240 37460 14.0%

France 145555 28530 19.6%

Netherlands 45769 5871 12.8%

Canada 86939 6671 7.7%

Germany 181303 8431 4.7%

Belgium 56810 9237 16.3%

Sweden 35088 4220 12.0%

S. Korea 11265 269 2.4%

WORLD 5495061 346232 6.3%

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

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I guess your point is that the US is below avg in death rate based on # deaths to # of cases. That is not as sure a measure as the # cases are less accurate than is the pop of a country. In which case the US is way above the avg of 46.5 deaths per 1M pop at 312 per 1M pop and around 14th worst of 215 countries listed. A much more fair comparison:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,945,214 Cases and 362,920 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

. Also, maybe you know or not that density has a great deal to do with the spread and thus the death rate of the virus. All the countries you list having a higher death rate than the US have a much higher pop density, at least twice. Spain is over 2.5X that of the US and the others are even more:

Countries by Population Density 2020 - StatisticsTimes.com

As usual, you’re just plain wrong. Whatever it is you’re trying to say. You’re just can’t get things right.

Another example of you being lazy and not doing the necessary research work, or you knew and thus just another example of your disingenuity.

bluesmoke said:

I guess your point is that the US is below avg in death rate based on # deaths to # of cases. That is not as sure a measure as the # cases are less accurate than is the pop of a country. In which case the US is way above the avg of 46.5 deaths per 1M pop at 312 per 1M pop and around 14th worst of 215 countries listed. A much more fair comparison:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,945,214 Cases and 362,920 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

. Also, maybe you know or not that density has a great deal to do with the spread and thus the death rate of the virus. All the countries you list having a higher death rate than the US have a much higher pop density, at least twice. Spain is over 2.5X that of the US and the others are even more:

Countries by Population Density 2020 - StatisticsTimes.com

As usual, you’re just plain wrong. Whatever it is you’re trying to say. You’re just can’t get things right.

Another example of you being lazy and not doing the necessary research work, or you knew and thus just another example of your disingenuity.

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Guess you still don't have the maturity to admit when wrong when attacking Trump for not lowering the flags as half staff(post 184). Don't think I would be calling someone else lazy when you post as you do. The results posted are factual, you don't like the facts, take it up with the source

bluesmoke said:

I guess your point is that the US is below avg in death rate based on # deaths to # of cases. That is not as sure a measure as the # cases are less accurate than is the pop of a country. In which case the US is way above the avg of 46.5 deaths per 1M pop at 312 per 1M pop and around 14th worst of 215 countries listed. A much more fair comparison:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,945,214 Cases and 362,920 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

. Also, maybe you know or not that density has a great deal to do with the spread and thus the death rate of the virus. All the countries you list having a higher death rate than the US have a much higher pop density, at least twice. Spain is over 2.5X that of the US and the others are even more:

Countries by Population Density 2020 - StatisticsTimes.com

As usual, you’re just plain wrong. Whatever it is you’re trying to say. You’re just can’t get things right.

Another example of you being lazy and not doing the necessary research work, or you knew and thus just another example of your disingenuity.

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He posts those stats from a results perspective, but has no methodology as to how he came to that conclusion other than a surface level "a>b" analysis.

ElChupacabra said:

He posts those stats from a results perspective, but has no methodology as to how he came to that conclusion other than a surface level "a>b" analysis.

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It isn't my conclusion as I gave you the link to the source, you don't like the data take it up with the source.

Conservative said:

It isn't my conclusion as I gave you the link to the source, you don't like the data take it up with the source.

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You are drawing a conclusion not defined in those statistics. They're reporting mortality rates only and not drawing the conclusions you keep repeating.


Worldometer: Here's the mortality rate by country and some other relevant statistics

You: Those stats mean USA > SHERSHALIST UTOPIAS!!!11!!!1!!!

Kyle Phoenix said:

This is very sad. Although I am a Brit and separated from America by a very large ocean, it is distressing to see what a state the U.S. has got itself in to, particularly as there is no clear end in sight. I hope you all pull through, ideally sooner rather than later.

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trixare4kids said:

We're not a bunch of crazy commies, so we'll do fine, but thanks anyway.

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What an ungrateful stupid response to a sincere post.

TomFitz said:

Probably more like weeks to come.

And if this virus hasn’t mutated out by now, it may come like a wave.

And it will strike areas that have not been touched, at least not hard, yet.

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it's hitting my rural area of Indiana now. But then most folks here aren't taking it seriously.

ElChupacabra said:

You are drawing a conclusion not defined in those statistics. They're reporting mortality rates only and not drawing the conclusions you keep repeating.


Worldometer: Here's the mortality rate by country and some other relevant statistics

You: Those stats mean USA > SHERSHALIST UTOPIAS!!!11!!!1!!!

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I drew no conclusion simply posted the data that you want to distort. Reality remains you want to compare a country of 328 million people with 50 different States to countries the size of those in Europe, why is that?

Why is it that a country the size of the U.S. generating an infection total of 1758153 or .5% doesn't resonate with you nor does the official numbers posted that show the following in a world where over 6.3% of the infected people die and that doesn't even include the Chinese lies and distorted actual deaths.

5/29/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1758153 102957 5.9%

Yours continues to be one of over reacting, promoting gloom and doom, while ignoring the official data and actual results in this country to continue to focus on placing blame on Trump promoting again the liberal ideology and your hopes to replace Trump with Biden

Conservative said:

I drew no conclusion simply posted the data that you want to distort. Reality remains you want to compare a country of 328 million people with 50 different States to countries the size of those in Europe, why is that?

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:lamo

The data is the data, and what you have posted in the past with comments that include "European results" or "liberal utopias" imply that the mortality rates are due to response versus other factors not accounted for in that data. I'm sure as things progress we'll have more data from which we can compare on a variety of scales to make those kind of determinations. You go back to the issue of scale, but never mention China's ability to contain the virus despite having 1 billion people. Clearly you have no concept on how to measure responses based on scale either.

Why is it that a country the size of the U.S. generating an infection total of 1758153 or .5% doesn't resonate with you nor does the official numbers posted that show the following in a world where over 6.3% of the infected people die and that doesn't even include the Chinese lies and distorted actual deaths.

5/29/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 1758153 102957 5.9%

Yours continues to be one of over reacting, promoting gloom and doom, while ignoring the official data and actual results in this country to continue to focus on placing blame on Trump promoting again the liberal ideology and your hopes to replace Trump with Biden

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:lamo

You are good at non sequiturs, I'll give you that.

bluesmoke said:

Coronavirus Update (Live): 5,945,214 Cases and 362,920 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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Worldometer is currently "having issues" at that link.

The attachments below provides the best update that I have so far. Please read the new link in Note 2.


NOTE 1 – As of 15 APR 2020 Canada and the United States of America use _the same criteria for reporting_ both “Total Cases” and “Total Deaths”. Prior to 15 APR 2020, the US did NOT include “probable” cases and deaths but only reported “confirmed” cases and deaths. Some other countries also use the same criteria for both “Total Cases” and “Total Deaths” as Canada and (now) the US use, but I don’t know which do and which don’t.

NOTE 2 –

NOTE 3 –

NOTE 4 – Absolute numbers [Columns (A) and (B)] adjusted to show what they would be if Canada had the same size population as the US. The ratio numbers remain the same.

A new column that shows the mortality rate for CLOSED cases only has been added. Thanks to “George50” for suggesting the addition.

A new column that shows the “Clearance Rate” ([“Recovered” + “Deaths”] / “Total”) has also been added.

The “Base Line” for the colour-coded columns in the tables is now the US figure.

apdst said:

Again, because you have fewer cases, because you have fewer people. :lamo

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The deaths/infected ratio has nothing to do with the number of people.

On 5/27 Canada had 126 new deaths and 872 new infections, a ratio of .14 vs the existing ratio of all previous deaths and infections of .07 or thereabouts. That will drive the new ratio up. The new deaths come from the supply of active cases.


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George50 said:

The deaths/infected ratio has nothing to do with the number of people.

On 5/27 Canada had 126 new deaths and 872 new infections, a ratio of .14 vs the existing ratio of all previous deaths and infections of .07 or thereabouts. That will drive the new ratio up. The new deaths come from the supply of active cases.


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You are trying to convince someone who thinks that "per capita" is "Canadian" for "Touque made out of Fur".

PS - Worldometer seems to have resolved its "issues".

apdst said:

It's stupid to lower the flag for disease deaths. Kung flu, or no kung flu, people die from disease every day in the U.S.

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People die in mass shootings and we lower the flag. But we don't lower the flag for all the people that die from shootings. Famous people, presidents die and we lower the flag. But not for all famous people. The coronavirus is a pandemic (worldwide) flu that is killing hundreds of thousands of people more than would otherwise have died and is greatly affecting our economy and thus practically everybody. It is in honor of the 100,000 Americans that died of the virus that we lower the flag. I choose to share in that honor. YOU do not have to share in that honor and can go ahead and dishonor the dead by saying they don't deserve the honor. That's your right.

[M]-D≤10,300 Prediction is INCORRECT as it is 925.00% too LOW (the error is RISING). It has been _100% WRONG_ since 04 APR 20.
[F]-100,000 ≤ D ≤ 200,000 Prediction is CORRECT.

[M] - Dr. Mushmouth (BA [Pla-Doh], BS [Statistics], PhD [Finger Painting] - University of Numerology)
[F] - Dr. Fauci (BA - Holy Cross, MD - Columbia)

32+ days since MM103/2+ (AKA “Flail Factor #1)
20+ days since MM103/2+ (AKA “Flail Factor #2)
0.43 days since MM103/2+ (AKA “Flail Factor #3)

Rolling 7 day US average deaths per day TODAY is 981 (YESTERDAY it was 979).

An update of the COVID-19 data which shows the mortality rate for CLOSED CASES ONLY and the CLEARANCE RATES is available at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19

While the total number of deaths remains below the trend line (for the sixth day), the 7 day rolling average death rate for the US is above the trend line.

Bodhisattva said:

Here is the problem with people that post like this... I don't care if a flag is flown at half-mast and you turn around and personally insult me saying that I don't care about people dying. Seriously... your post illuminates a serious character flaw.

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Your posting “who cares if the flag is at half-mast or not in the first place?” is as much a declaration that you don’t care (the meaning of “who cares” being to stress that something is not important) about the flag being flown at half-mast as it is a request for information, though it appears more rhetorical. That you don’t care is obvious. Now you attack me for pointing out what you said. Oh, I also said “thumbing your nose” which means a “disregard for something that should be taken into account”. Another obvious aspect of what you posted. Or, say that you actually care.

Your character flaw would be painting others like me as you do when what I said is factually correct. Meaning, you go around wrongfully condemning others for pointing-out the facts of what you say. Still, you can clarify the matter by saying you care, which you did not.