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Trumps anti-mask campaign will cost lives and slow reopening

ReubenSherr said:
Can’t believe I’m taking this comment seriously, but you might want to talk to Rand Paul lol - not many people spin conspiracy theories on the Senate floor

Yes, Fauci does nothing but CYA- There’s no conspiracy- it only involves him and the fact that he has no backbone
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I don't ask optometrists about virii....especially ones who create their own vetting agency (National Board of Ophthalmology) which was never recognized or accredited.

Talk about conspiracy theories, Rand Paul is one of the wellstones of conspiracy theories, bested only by his nutjob father.
So no, I might NOT want to talk to Rand Paul about anything, ever.

You might want to dial back your Alex Jones listening habits...you're beginning to sound like him.
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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Make **** up much?

Wearing a mask can significantly reduce coronavirus transmission: Study

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/new-study-questions-the-effectiveness-of-masks-against-sars-cov-2#More-virus-on-outer-mask-surfaces

Wearing surgical masks in public could help slow COVID-19 pandemic's advance: Masks may limit the spread diseases including influenza, rhinoviruses and coronaviruses -- ScienceDaily

Face Mask Use and Control of Respiratory Virus Transmission in Households

That took 2 seconds.
 
Ethel2 said:
And what you wrote about asymptomatic transmission is false. It is well established that this virus spreads from people who have it without symptoms to others. Not understanding that is like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.
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This is not well established at all- There are many reports that the studies which claimed to have confirmed this were flawed- I’m on my phone now, but can provide links this afternoon

If you’re going to blindly accept everything that Fauci spits out without actually looking into his sources, you shouldn’t be mentioning ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand
 
iguanaman said:
Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.



Donald Trump's anti-mask campaign picks up steam - CNNPolitics
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Every idea that the liberal media has embraced as a narrative about COVID-19 has turned out to be false.


Opening up in Texas, Georgia, Florida would cause COVID-19 to flare up? Nope.

Hydroxychloroquine kills a lot of people? Nope.

Cuomo is this great statesman of the pandemic? Nope. His mistakes have killed thousands.

This too will be false.
 
ReubenSherr said:
This is not well established at all- There are many reports that the studies which claimed to have confirmed this were flawed- I’m on my phone now, but can provide links this afternoon

If you’re going to blindly accept everything that Fauci spits out without actually looking into his sources, you shouldn’t be mentioning ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand
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No problem. Looking forward to your links. I try to keep an open mind about this...but the truth is that its widely accepted that this virus spreads before symptoms appear. If you have reputable sources that indicate otherwise I would be interested in seeing them. Here are three epidemiologists that believe that the virus is easily spread in people without any symptoms:

Coronavirus infections with no symptoms: Research on asymptomatic carriers - Business Insider

More:

“One of the [pieces of] information that we have confirmed now is that a significant number of individuals that are infected actually remain asymptomatic. That may be as many as 25 percent,” Redfield said.

Then a few days later, researchers in Iceland reported that 50 percent of their novel coronavirus cases who tested positive had no symptoms. The testing had been conducted by deCODE, a subsidiary of the U.S. Biotech company Amgen.

In another new reportTrusted Source, the CDC stated that researchers in Singapore identified seven clusters of cases in which presymptomatic transmission is the most likely explanation for the occurrence of secondary cases.

That report was backed up by a studyTrusted Source published in mid-April that concluded that people with no symptoms are the source of 44 percent of diagnosed COVID-19 cases.

In addition, a studyTrusted Source published about the same time reported that people might be most contagious during the period before they have symptoms.

Then, in late April, it was reported that the first known person to die from COVID-19 in the United States before she died of a heart attack on February 6 at her home in Northern California

“Of those of us that get symptomatic, it appears that we’re shedding significant virus in our oropharyngeal compartment, probably up to 48 hours before we show symptoms,” Redfield said. “This helps explain how rapidly this virus continues to spread across the country because we have asymptomatic transmitters.”

I can dig up more references if you like. I think that it is a widely accepted belief. Of course there are fringe people out there who don't believe the science. And there are some that think that injecting disinfectant might be a good way to clear the virus from your body.

50 Percent of People with COVID-19 Aren'''t Aware They Have Virus
 
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LowDown said:
Every idea that the liberal media has embraced as a narrative about COVID-19 has turned out to be false.


Opening up in Texas, Georgia, Florida would cause COVID-19 to flare up? Nope.

Hydroxychloroquine kills a lot of people? Nope.

Cuomo is this great statesman of the pandemic? Nope. His mistakes have killed thousands.

This too will be false.
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You are being partisan, stupid and dangerous. Do you really want us to recover or not? This is an instance where your partisan BS will kill people and short circuit our recovery. Stop it. Be an American for once please.

(CNN)Americans are at odds over whether it's necessary to keep taking coronavirus protective measures, but a leading researcher says the data is clear: The path ahead in the Covid-19 pandemic is being shaped by masks.

"We now have really clear evidence that wearing masks works -- it's probably a 50% protection against transmission," Dr. Chris Murray, director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, or IHME, at the University of Washington, told CNN late Tuesday.
"And so, what happens in the next month or two is very much in the hands of how people respond."
But as health experts stress the importance of wearing masks, the matter has gotten political. President Donald Trump has foregone face coverings in public while his presumptive rival Joe Biden has worn one, staking their ground in the partisan debate over whether masks are a paranoid restriction or a necessary precaution.
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Masks seem to be working to fight the virus, even as some refuse them and US deaths near 100,000 - CNN
 
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ReubenSherr said:
I have a life- I’m on my phone- I’ll put up links this afternoon
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Okay, we've arrived at the point where it's obvious that you've run out of lame excuses for your ignorant debate tactics, and now you're resorting the lamest most bastardized tu quoque of them all, the old "I have a life" which of course implies that I do not, yes?

Rand Paul, in point of fact, did create his own "board of opthalmology" because of a snit with the real one.
And in any case, Rand Paul doesn't know dick about epidemiology and Fauci has served under five administrations, and the reason no one ever heard of the guy until this year is because in the past, Presidents just SHUT UP and followed his advice, which is why this is the first time a pandemic of this magnitude has gripped this country in a century.

ONE PRESIDENT DID NOT!

I'm calling BS on the lame conspiracy theories about Anthony Fauci.
 
iguanaman said:
You just don't get it. The mask is not for you it is for others.
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Yeah I get that. My health is not your responsibility. Your health is not my responsibility. My health is MY responsibility. Your health is YOUR responsibility.


iguanaman said:
Spreading Covid 19 is not your right or your choice.
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That's why I practice social distancing, frequent hand washing, and cover my coughs and sneezes. Cloth masks, however, put me in more danger from being hit by heavy equipment due to fogged up glasses than covid-19 is a danger to my health.

Covid-19 is the lesser danger for me.
 
ChezC3 said:
Silly, scared liberals, spreading fear, hate, and discontent.

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I can tell you have read next to nothing in a long time. Maybe you can't read. Tossing out hashtags is not debating.
 
Oborosen said:
Can CNN just give this act up for once
He won, they should get over it and stopped acting all wounded because of it.

Did Trump actually say any of these things concerning himself wearing a mask?
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who won what?
 
joko104 said:
CNN does nothing but incessant pathological lying - always. That's ALL CNN does as the propaganda outlet of the super rich profiting off this and intensely opposed to Trump in their way for their quest of worldwide corporate fascism by 24/7 bio-terrorism - non-stop for months now - by TV, the press and the Internet - that they own and control completely.

Trump has NEVER told people to not wear masks - ever.
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He doesn't have to say it out loud. Actions speak louder than words
 
grip said:
I concur that people should wear masks but if you use an event(s) to continually make them walk a certain way, talk a certain way, and behave a certain way don't you run the risk of creating a totalitarian type of system and gov? Who's to say that once the COVID virus is primarily neutralized by a vaccine that gov imposed social restrictions will relax because of a possible next crisis? There's already a cultural bruhaha over language and what words and slang are acceptable.
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The viruses are winning, as virologists have known for decades. The world has changed. We will be seeing them more an more. Time to rethink "normal" society.
 
ldsrptcvt said:
The viruses are winning, as virologists have known for decades. The world has changed. We will be seeing them more an more. Time to rethink "normal" society.
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This is becoming more about social and cultural breakdown than new diseases. We're becoming a delusional and dystopian society.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Yeah I get that. My health is not your responsibility. Your health is not my responsibility. My health is MY responsibility. Your health is YOUR responsibility.



That's why I practice social distancing, frequent hand washing, and cover my coughs and sneezes. Cloth masks, however, put me in more danger from being hit by heavy equipment due to fogged up glasses than covid-19 is a danger to my health.

Covid-19 is the lesser danger for me.
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Protecting the health of others is everyone's responsibility. If you are infected breathing releases virus into the air around you, you don't need to cough or sneeze. If you are really social distancing and no one is near you you don't need the mask. But if you go to a busy store or a crowd wearing a mask is mandatory in many places. Are you saying you refuse to wear a mask in those instances? Remember that the mask is not for your safety alone it is more effective as method to stop the infected from infecting others.
 
grip said:
This is becoming more about social and cultural breakdown than new diseases. We're becoming a delusional and dystopian society.
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What? The coronavirus is a disease not a social phenomena. The delusion is that it is something else.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Yeah I get that. My health is not your responsibility. Your health is not my responsibility. My health is MY responsibility. Your health is YOUR responsibility.



That's why I practice social distancing, frequent hand washing, and cover my coughs and sneezes. Cloth masks, however, put me in more danger from being hit by heavy equipment due to fogged up glasses than covid-19 is a danger to my health.

Covid-19 is the lesser danger for me.
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In this case MY health is YOUR responsibility as well. And YOUR health is MY responsibility. Thats the way it is with this pandemic. Either we are a team and win this war or we lose it-together. Sometimes you actually have to work together for the good of each other, even if it means giving up some of your liberties temporarily.
 
iguanaman said:
What? The coronavirus is a disease not a social phenomena. The delusion is that it is something else.
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you don't notice the social/cultural breakdown happening?
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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So are you wearing one when you go out and about?
 
iguanaman said:
What? The coronavirus is a disease not a social phenomena. The delusion is that it is something else.
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The coronavirus is a real crisis but has also furthered the growing cultural schism of polarizing political ideologies. To deny that is delusional.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Okay, we've arrived at the point where it's obvious that you've run out of lame excuses for your ignorant debate tactics, and now you're resorting the lamest most bastardized tu quoque of them all, the old "I have a life" which of course implies that I do not, yes?
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Just said that because you were pressing me on providing links about lack of proof that asymptomatic people commonly transmit the virus by talking and breathing, and all I had with me was my phone...

Here are two, will provide more...

No proof yet that asymptomatic COVID-19 patients can infect others, says Duque

Sen. Binay refutes Duque: ‘WHO did not say asymptomatic COVID-19 patients cannot infect others’ >> Manila Bulletin News

Asymptomatic people do not sneeze or cough, so Fauci's alarm about masks was based on the assumpton that a common way for the virus to spread is through talking and breathing...

Here's an article about the study that supposedly proved this was true - note the line:
"However, World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling."

COVID 19 can spread through breathing, talking, study estimates - ScienceDirect

Here's the study on which Fauci based his alarm that the risk of asymptomatic people spreading the virus by talking and breathing was so significant...

Breathing and talking contribute to COVID-19 spread - Neuroscience News

All the researchers did was study aerosol particles, conclude that they remained in the air for lengthy amounts of time...there is nothing about any of this that offers any proof that viral droplets produced by talking and breathing are commonly transmitted to others and result in infection...all of it is hypothetical and circumstancial

"Reports of asymptomatic individuals infecting others with COVID-19 reveals that activities such as normal breathing, talking, etc., produce small droplets that are capable of being transported, as healthy individuals are presumably not coughing or sneezing on a regular basis.

Since the aerosol particles produced by talking and breathing are so small, they linger in the air for relatively long periods of time before gravity pulls them to the ground. This allows them to be transported over greater distances. A 2006 study of SARS-CoV-1 found that particles with a diameter of 1-3 μm remained suspended in the air almost indefinitely, particles 10 μm in size took 17 minutes, and 20 μm took 4 minutes to fall to the floor. A recent laboratory study found that the virus can remain viable and infectious in aerosols for hours (it remained viable for the entire three-hour duration of the study) and on surfaces for up to days."
 
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grip said:
The coronavirus is a real crisis but has also furthered the growing cultural schism of polarizing political ideologies. To deny that is delusional.
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It has certainly pulled back the curtain and demonstrated what happens when the Govt. is populated with incompetents if that is what you mean. It has also laid to rest the myth that we don't need a strong Federal Govt. It's obvious now that our lives depend on that.
 
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