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Trumps anti-mask campaign will cost lives and slow reopening

Scrabaholic said:
Actually, there is. People with breathing problems are advised to not wear them. As are people who cannot remove them themselves.
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People with breathing problems should not be out and around and exposing themselves to the virus. Use your head.
 
i support banning maskless COVIDiots from all places of business until this is over. they are much more dangerous than smokers, and smokers were banned from businesses years ago.
 
joko104 said:
^ Summary: If you can't wear a mask safely for medical reasons - like millions of people - you should stay locked in your house until you die. It is your duty to die if the government orders you to.

Spoken like the true progressive - which is corporate fascism - ordered to die for the collective good.
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Yes if you have breathing problems you are more likely to die from Covid 19 and should remain on social distancing at the very least. Here is another explanation of why we all need to wear masks.

Think of the coronavirus pandemic as a fire ravaging our cities and towns that is spread by infected people breathing out invisible embers every time they speak, cough, or sneeze. Sneezing is the most dangerous—it spreads embers farthest—coughing second, and speaking least, though it still can spread the embers. These invisible sparks cause others to catch fire and in turn breathe out embers until we truly catch fire—and get sick. That’s when we call in the firefighters—our medical workers. The people who run into these raging blazes to put them out need special heat-resistant suits and gloves, helmets, and oxygen tanks so they can keep breathing in the fire—all that PPE, with proper fit too.
If we could just keep our embers from being sent out every time we spoke or coughed, many fewer people would catch fire. Masks help us do that. And because we don’t know for sure who’s sick, the only solution is for everyone to wear masks. This eventually benefits the wearer because fewer fires mean we’re all less likely to be burned. My mask protects you; your masks protect me. Plus, our firefighters would no longer be overwhelmed, and we could more easily go back to work and the rest of our public lives.
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Don't Wear a Mask for Yourself - The Atlantic
 
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iguanaman said:
People with breathing problems should not be out and around and exposing themselves to the virus. Use your head.
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Just one of the BIG LIES. Where a person is MOST likely to be infected is in their home. About 75% of infections of covid-19 that is serious enough to trigger the formation of antibodies occurs in the home. This also is where air quality is the worst and pathogen counts are generally highest.

THE absolute safest place to be of all statistically and for how virus spread is outdoors. During the Spanish Flu (actually another Chinese pandemic like nearly all of them) healthy people were NOT quarantined. Rather, they were told to be OUTDOORS and get a lot of sunlight. That advise is as correct now as it was then.

Viruses are tiny and lightweight. They float in the air for hours and days. They go with the breeze and wind, are circulated by a/c systems and fans. However, sunlight kills virus very quickly. Breathing outside air is THE safest air of all to breathe - exactly the opposite of your claim.

Additionally, people would COPD should get outside and walk/work their lungs as much as they can stand to do to keep their lungs as strong as possible. The absolutely last thing a person with lung issues should do is just sit in their house.

I never had 10% as low opinion of Americans or people on this forum before as has been formed by the covid-19 perpetual bio-terrorism campaign of the richest and most powerful people on earth for their profit and power. Most people are absolute total idiots and chumps to MSM, press and Internet propaganda of the international super rich. THEY OWN YOU - your brain, your emotions and your ethics. You are just their servant, serf and slave - eagerly demanding to be too.
 
joko104 said:
Just one of the BIG LIES. Where a person is MOST likely to be infected is in their home. About 75% of infections of covid-19 that is serious enough to trigger the formation of antibodies occurs in the home. This also is where air quality is the worst and pathogen counts are generally highest.

THE absolute safest place to be of all statistically and for how virus spread is outdoors. During the Spanish Flu (actually another Chinese pandemic like nearly all of them) healthy people were NOT quarantined. Rather, they were told to be OUTDOORS and get a lot of sunlight. That advise is as correct now as it was then.

Viruses are tiny and lightweight. They float in the air for hours and days. They go with the breeze and wind, are circulated by a/c systems and fans. However, sunlight kills virus very quickly. Breathing outside air is THE safest air of all to breathe - exactly the opposite of your claim.

Additionally, people would COPD should get outside and walk/work their lungs as much as they can stand to do to keep their lungs as strong as possible. The absolutely last thing a person with lung issues should do is just sit in their house.

I never had 10% as low opinion of Americans or people on this forum before as has been formed by the covid-19 perpetual bio-terrorism campaign of the richest and most powerful people on earth for their profit and power. Most people are absolute total idiots and chumps to MSM, press and Internet propaganda of the international super rich. THEY OWN YOU - your brain, your emotions and your ethics. You are just their servant, serf and slave - eagerly demanding to be too.
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You cannot catch covid 19 in a vacuum, you need to be exposed to infected people. If there are no infected people in your home it is the safest place to be. Telling people with lung problems to expose themselves to the virus is irresponsible and wrong. They have a higher chance of dying from Covid 19.
 
jimbo said:
Some sort of backup would certainly help you make your case.
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What diff would it make to you? If cities fared better as I said, would you then agree that at least in 1918 social distancing and mask wearing saved lives and not doing so caused more deaths?
 
ReubenSherr said:
I wear a bandana when I walk into stores, etc. to protect other people - Trump gets tested literally every day, he doesn't have to worry about passing it on to others

And there's a lot of data coming out now disproving that asymptomatic people can spread it, and some info that compromised air quality from overwearing masks worsens the symptoms of the virus if you are exposed

The data about the virus being spread by talking is worst-case scenario CYA from Fauci - it may be true, it may not be true, but there's not a lot of solid evidence that it is
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Trump is unlikely to spread the virus. He is, as you mentioned, tested every day. However, the tests are only about 70% accurate. The problem I have with him behaving like a donkey is that he is modeling bad behavior and it will cost a lot of lives. He is encouraging protesters; more lives lost. And what you wrote about asymptomatic transmission is false. It is well established that this virus spreads from people who have it without symptoms to others. Not understanding that is like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.
 
bluesmoke said:
What diff would it make to you? If cities fared better as I said, would you then agree that at least in 1918 social distancing and mask wearing saved lives and not doing so caused more deaths?
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So actually you got nuthin'
 
iguanaman said:
Yes if you have breathing problems you are more likely to die from Covid 19 and should remain on social distancing at the very least. Here is another explanation of why we all need to wear masks.



Don't Wear a Mask for Yourself - The Atlantic
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That analogy is 100% wrong based entirely on false premises. Using fire as an analogy, would be to declare that if a building is on fire, firefighters should wrap an old T-shirt around their lower face, run into the building and stand in the fire 6 feet apart for their own and each other's safety.

You HAVE breathed in covid 19, Influenza A and Influenza B. You HAVE breathed those virus out too. Nearly all Americans already have. Have you breathed in enough of the virus for the 1 in 1,000,000,000 the virus will take hold enough that it will take your body to form antibodies to defeat it? The best way to accomplish this is staying in your home. Another way it wearing a mask so you keep breathing back in the virus by blocking your body getting rid of it by breathing out - with you trapping it on the inside of your mask breathing it back in. Masks assure the virus and bacteria count in your body increases by the millions with every breathe because you keep breathing most of it back in.

With every breathe, you otherwise breathe in millions of virus otherwise - every day of your life from the moment you were born and took your first breathe - and now you can't exhale most of those. This burdens your immune system more and more and more - fighting the ever increasing number of virus and bacteria of all kinds - while making your heart work harder and harder against the mask - and your brain functioning less and less for oxygen depletion and co2 poisoning rising.

Every second of your life, there is an ongoing war of your body, viruses, bacteria, fungi and other pathogens with the warfare numbering in the trillions. The question is can your body keep up with the massive non-stop onslaught of pathogens - mostly from you breathing them in (though also in food, water, thru your eyes etc). Few people have any clue how complex the human body is on a microscopic organisms, chemicals - organic and inorganic, cells etc. Non-stop massive invasion. Non-stop massive slaughtering. Non-stop evictions. Billions of attackers, deaths and evictions every minute.

But you have no sense of it. You watch TV and see something on the internet - decide you now are an expert and then come try to lecture us - like a kindergarten student so proudly reciting the teacher - never even pondering otherwise what the teacher said, why or its accuracy.

VIRUS ARE EVERYWHERE. So tiny even an N95 is like a bucket made of chicken wire to them. Yet despite being that tiny, if all the virus on earth were put end to end, they would stretch out for 100 LIGHT YEARS distance. You are now in a room with with a million trillion virus in the air. Go outside and that number is vastly lower - and if the sun is shining 99.99% of those virus outside are DEAD/destroyed. (it is arguable if virus are a life form).
 
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iguanaman said:
You cannot catch covid 19 in a vacuum, you need to be exposed to infected people. If there are no infected people in your home it is the safest place to be. Telling people with lung problems to expose themselves to the virus is irresponsible and wrong. They have a higher chance of dying from Covid 19.
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People with moderate to severe asthma or COPD can get outside and walk (or jog) without exposing themselves to the virus. I think its important to keep in good cardiovascular shape even during the pandemic. I think your odds of surviving this are probably better if your heart and lungs are in good shape. JMO.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I'm Libertarian who supports abortion rights so....

If I don't want to wear a mask, that's my business, and if I die as a result, that's also my business. My body, my choice.
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Your argument sounds like this:

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iguanaman said:
You cannot catch covid 19 in a vacuum, you need to be exposed to infected people. If there are no infected people in your home it is the safest place to be. Telling people with lung problems to expose themselves to the virus is irresponsible and wrong. They have a higher chance of dying from Covid 19.
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You are wrong unless the house is totally sealed - and then the person dies for lack of oxygen. But what percentage of people NEVER - not once - leave their home - ever? Have you NEVER left your home for the last 2 months?

If you live in a vacuum you die. You die for lack of oxygen. You die for too high a co2 level. You die of starvation. NO ONE lives in a vacuum - nor should anyone have to for your paranoia. Humans are social creatures, solitary confinement is one of the worst forms of torture and any experiment with how long people can be isolated - even in a small group - has proven it becomes unbearable within weeks if a small group and within days at the least if an individual.

No, people's lives do not have to be destroyed for your paranoia based but false - ridiculous false - propaganda-for-profit-and-power.

RATHER, YOU live in a vacuum. Then YOU can NOT get infected nor infect anyone else. YOU sacrifice you life, rather than demand others sacrifice their lives for your convenience and freedom. NEVER leave you home and stay in total isolation and you'll meet YOUR standard of infecting no one. But you are a "do as I say, not as I do" for selfish reasons person in your messages.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Your argument sounds like this:

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^ That is one super dumbass woman!

I bet she drove there - and faster than 20 mph - for which SHE risks killing people in an accident. What an EVIL selfish woman so willing to kill others merely for her convenience of saving a few minutes driving time.

Plus that murderous woman isn't wearing a mask. TOTAL HYPOCRITE who doesn't even believe her own sign!
 
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Look folks, the scientists have been on TV for over three months explaining what it is, how it works, and what we need to do.
The agencies have been putting out PSA's for weeks explaining WHY you need to wear a mask, explaining how you protect others and others protect you by wearing it.
Etc etc etc etc ad nausem bla bla bla quack quack quack.

At this point we are not dealing with people who "did not understand" anymore.
These people are the ones who just flat out refuse to believe it unless and until it hits them square over the head.
They are just like the pastors who demand everyone take off their masks, calling it a hoax, who die a few weeks later by their own hand.
They don't care if they die and they do not care if you die either. They are bound and determined to walk around spreading the virus because they think it is their right to do so...period, end of story.

They don't give a flying **** about you or anyone else.
The only people who are still arguing about this mask issue are just flat out SOCIOPATHS.
 
joko104 said:
You are wrong unless the house is totally sealed - and then the person dies for lack of oxygen. But what percentage of people NEVER - not once - leave their home - ever? Have you NEVER left your home for the last 2 months?

If you live in a vacuum you die. You die for lack of oxygen. You die for too high a co2 level. You die of starvation. NO ONE lives in a vacuum - nor should anyone have to for your paranoia. Humans are social creatures, solitary confinement is one of the worst forms of torture and any experience with how long people can be isolated - even in just a small group - has proven it becomes unbearable within weeks if a small group and within days at the least if an individual.

No, people's lives do not have to be destroyed for your paranoia based but false - ridiculous false - propaganda-for-profit-and-power.

RATHER, YOU live in a vacuum. Then YOU can NOT get infected nor infect anyone else. YOU sacrifice you life, rather than demand others sacrifice their lives for your convenience and freedom. NEVER leave you home and stay in total isolation and you'll meet YOUR standard of infecting no one. But you are a "do as I say, not as I do" for selfish reasons person in your messages.
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You don't need to sacrifice your life. Just wear a mask when you are in close contact with others and practice social distancing otherwise. In other words use you head.
 
joko104 said:
You are wrong unless the house is totally sealed - and then the person dies for lack of oxygen. But what percentage of people NEVER - not once - leave their home - ever? Have you NEVER left your home for the last 2 months?
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The virus does not enter a home on the four winds, sailing for mile after mile on a breeze, wafting in through your kitchen window from the next town.
You know that already, because we're assuming you are not a retarded nine year old on crack.
So we can only assume you choose to remain willfully ignorant despite patient and careful explanations as to how the virus spreads:
FROM HUMAN TO HUMAN VIA CLOSE PROXIMITY INHALATION OF THE OTHER PERSON'S BREATH PARTICLES...hence the need for the masks.

Your arguments SOUND LIKE those of "a retarded nine year old on crack" because you are crafting them that way.
No one said you must seal up your house so no air gets in, no one has said that ever and there is nothing in the way of evidence that claims anyone ever said that.
It's incredibly simple, wear a mask so your lung cooties don't go down another person's trachea and into their lungs...and vice versa.

And in 1918, and for decades afterward, YES....CERTAIN people WERE quarantined by the authorities, for exactly those reasons...it either wasn't safe for them to go outside because they were sick OR because they were deemed too high a risk category for catching the virus.
And in 1918 public health authorities WERE stationing people outside quarantined homes to make sure no one left or entered.

In fact, when I was about seven years old, the public health authorities quarantined a foreign family who had not been vaccinated, they had slipped through the cracks and some or all of them contracted some contagious disease and it made the local news. That is how I first learned the word "QUARANTINE".
I had no idea what it meant exactly but I remember the images of the signs on the door of the home, and the health authorities who were stationed outside the home, and the images of the food deliveries, and the interview with the doctor who said that the two kids would not be allowed to attend school until it could be proven that they weren't contagious anymore.

The story interested me because of the kids who weren't allowed to go to school...."can't go out of the house, can't go to school...QUARANTINED!"
It was a strange sounding word that started with the letter "Q" and that fascinated me. I gradually figured out that "quarantine" meant "kept inside your house and not allowed to leave and no visitors" and it took me a little while to understand that it was about disease, germs, viruses...or to MY seven year old mind: COOTIES.

You don't have that excuse because you're not seven years old, you're a grown man.
 
joko104 said:
That analogy is 100% wrong based entirely on false premises. Using fire as an analogy, would be to declare that if a building is on fire, firefighters should wrap an old T-shirt around their lower face, run into the building and stand in the fire 6 feet apart for their own and each other's safety.

You HAVE breathed in covid 19, Influenza A and Influenza B. You HAVE breathed those virus out too. Nearly all Americans already have. Have you breathed in enough of the virus for the 1 in 1,000,000,000 the virus will take hold enough that it will take your body to form antibodies to defeat it? The best way to accomplish this is staying in your home. Another way it wearing a mask so you keep breathing back in the virus by blocking your body getting rid of it by breathing out - with you trapping it on the inside of your mask breathing it back in. Masks assure the virus and bacteria count in your body increases by the millions with every breathe because you keep breathing most of it back in.

With every breathe, you otherwise breathe in millions of virus otherwise - every day of your life from the moment you were born and took your first breathe - and now you can't exhale most of those. This burdens your immune system more and more and more - fighting the ever increasing number of virus and bacteria of all kinds - while making your heart work harder and harder against the mask - and your brain functioning less and less for oxygen depletion and co2 poisoning rising.

Every second of your life, there is an ongoing war of your body, viruses, bacteria, fungi and other pathogens with the warfare numbering in the trillions. The question is can your body keep up with the massive non-stop onslaught of pathogens - mostly from you breathing them in (though also in food, water, thru your eyes etc). Few people have any clue how complex the human body is on a microscopic organisms, chemicals - organic and inorganic, cells etc. Non-stop massive invasion. Non-stop massive slaughtering. Non-stop evictions. Billions of attackers, deaths and evictions every minute.

But you have no sense of it. You watch TV and see something on the internet - decide you now are an expert and then come try to lecture us - like a kindergarten student so proudly reciting the teacher - never even pondering otherwise what the teacher said, why or its accuracy.

VIRUS ARE EVERYWHERE. So tiny even an N95 is like a bucket made of chicken wire to them. Yet despite being that tiny, if all the virus on earth were put end to end, they would stretch out for 100 LIGHT YEARS distance. You are now in a room with with a million trillion virus in the air. Go outside and that number is vastly lower - and if the sun is shining 99.99% of those virus outside are DEAD/destroyed. (it is arguable if virus are a life form).
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No the covid 19 virus is not everywhere. You sound more paranoid than anyone. The virus is expelled by infected people and has a finite lifespan. If you don't breath in the virus from someone close to you you won't get it. So stay away from people that have it especially if they don't have a mask on. The problem is that most infections are caused by those that do not know they are spreading it, that is why we all need to wear masks to keep the virus out of the air. Masks don't make you sick but not wearing one can cause others to be infected. You should know that is the wrong thing to do.
 
iguanaman said:
You don't need to sacrifice your life. Just wear a mask when you are in close contact with others and practice social distancing otherwise. In other words use you head.
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He thinks something along the lines of "Bill Gates invented the virus to dominate the world" or some other crackpot theory.

Your first insight into that is joko's fondness for phrases like:

paranoia based but false - ridiculous false - propaganda-for-profit-and-power
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False flags, big evil government domination, etc.
Straight up Alex Jones ****-nuttery...over a ****ing MASK.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
He thinks something along the lines of "Bill Gates invented the virus to dominate the world" or some other crackpot theory.

Your first insight into that is joko's fondness for phrases like:



False flags, big evil government domination, etc.
Straight up Alex Jones ****-nuttery...over a ****ing MASK.
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I guess we should not be surprised that nuts are still being nuts even when it threatens our ability to function as a nation. Everything is a conspiracy to them and that makes the most complex problems simple. They need "simple" I guess.
 
iguanaman said:
I guess we should not be surprised that nuts are still being nuts even when it threatens our ability to function as a nation. Everything is a conspiracy to them and that makes the most complex problems simple. They need "simple" I guess.
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Joko is just upset because Daddy wouldn't let him play with his Atomwaffen badge.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
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Are you attempting to say that Fauci is potentially dishonest and is only covering his ass?
This is beginning to sound very very "conspiracy theory".
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Can’t believe I’m taking this comment seriously, but you might want to talk to Rand Paul lol - not many people spin conspiracy theories on the Senate floor

Yes, Fauci does nothing but CYA- There’s no conspiracy- it only involves him and the fact that he has no backbone
 
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iguanaman said:
You cannot catch covid 19 in a vacuum, you need to be exposed to infected people. If there are no infected people in your home it is the safest place to be. Telling people with lung problems to expose themselves to the virus is irresponsible and wrong. They have a higher chance of dying from Covid 19.
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If you have to explain that to an adult...
 
Top Cat said:
The cult follows blindly. And not one of them will ever admit it.
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If Trump is acceptable, then they're acceptable. That's how they see it.
 
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