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Trumps anti-mask campaign will cost lives and slow reopening

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Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.

What Trump either doesn't understand or doesn't care about is that the way leaders act has a profound impact on how the general public acts. People take their cues from the most high profile among us -- including and especially the president.
Don't believe me? Witness this exchange on an Alabama beach over Memorial Day weekend between a beach-goer and CNN's Gary Tuchman:
MAN: I mean, if he's not wearing a mask, I'm not going to wear a mask. If he's not worried, I'm not worried.
TUCHMAN: The President?
MAN: Yes, sir.
So, yeah.
When you have the President of the United States sending a clear signal that a) he doesn't need to wear a mask and b) wearing a mask makes you look weak, then no one should be surprised that people -- like that kid in Alabama -- follow Trump's lead.
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iguanaman said:
Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.

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There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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Bucky the epidemiologist?:lamo
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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They don't want him to wear a mask because he's a literal threat to transmitting the virus. They want him to show solidarity.
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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Cities that imposed social distancing and mask wearing requirements fared better in the disastrous 2nd wave of the 1918 pandemic.
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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Yet you started a thread saying we should wear masks including yourself. Only been a few days, you forget that already?
 
Bucky said:
There is absolutely zero empirical evidence showing that wearing a mask will save lives. Many people wore masks during the 1918 flu and several more million people died.
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Please stop the idiocy. There is no debate that masks slow the spread of the virus. They are the only way to deal with the 35% of infected individuals who are asymptomatic and spread the virus for weeks without knowing it.

What's so remarkable about all of this is that there is no real debate about mask-wearing and its impact on mitigating the spread of the virus.

"Medical masks, like the N95, offer the most protection, but experts widely agree that several types of facial coverings, including ones made of fabric, are effective at slowing virus spread," wrote PolitiFact recently.
Speaking of "experts," here's what Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force coordinator, said about masks during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday":
"What we have said to people is there is clear scientific evidence now, by all the droplet experiments that happened, and that others have done, to show that a mask does prevent droplets from reaching others. Out of respect for each other, as Americans that care for each other, we need to be wearing masks in public when we cannot social distance."
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iguanaman said:
Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.



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There should a Karen subforum in the COVID forum. Wear a mask if you want. Don't if you don't. Some people have reasons to not wear them having exactly zero to do with Trump.
 
iguanaman said:
Please stop the idiocy. There is no debate that masks slow the spread of the virus. They are the only way to deal with the 35% of infected individuals who are asymptomatic and spread the virus for weeks without knowing it.



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Wait a minute. The CDC originally said not to wear masks and donate them to the hospital. They banned any company from selling masks. And then they said cloth masks were fine, now it is only N95 or medical masks?
 
Bucky said:
Wait a minute. The CDC originally said not to wear masks and donate them to the hospital. They banned any company from selling masks. And then they said cloth masks were fine, now it is only N95 or medical masks?
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That was before we learned about the 35% who spread the disease for weeks with no symptoms. You need to keep up.
 
iguanaman said:
Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.



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Anti-mask campaign? LOL
Of course no criticism against Cuomo or the mayor of Chicago. Your bias is so obvious. Give it a rest.
 
Drawdown said:
There should a Karen subforum in the COVID forum. Wear a mask if you want. Don't if you don't. Some people have reasons to not wear them having exactly zero to do with Trump.
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So when those that don't spread the virus to dozens of others we should give them a pat on the back for their "courage"? Their is no excuse not to wear a mask if you cannot social distance.
 
Outlook said:
Anti-mask campaign? LOL
Of course no criticism against Cuomo or the mayor of Chicago. Your bias is so obvious. Give it a rest.
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When has Cuomo mocked people for wearing masks?

Trump has repeatedly demonstrated during his time in the White House that he lacks any understanding of the moral leadership that the office of the President has long conveyed in the country. That his words and his actions have profound consequences. That it's not just about him and what he thinks is best for him.
Trump's politicizing of mask-wearing is in keeping with this long-held moral vacuum in the Trump White House. But unlike some of the President's past absences of moral leadership, this one could cost people their lives.
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iguanaman said:
Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.
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It'll be be even more fun if the next inevitable pandemic is also respiratory and has an even higher mortality rate.
All this practice resisting masks now will really pay off then.
 
Bucky said:
Wait a minute. The CDC originally said not to wear masks and donate them to the hospital. They banned any company from selling masks. And then they said cloth masks were fine, now it is only N95 or medical masks?
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When was it every anything but masks intended for hospitals, doctors, nurses, first responders ETC?(especially N95).

It was ok to purchase KN95 which were not cleared for use in such situations.

If people could not purchase masks, they were given instructions how to make them without sewing. Easy Peesy.

But of course as you repeatedly said, you would not wear one because it would emasculate you. But frankly, if it takes a simple mask to emasculate you - what does that REALLY say?
 
iguanaman said:
Trumps vanity is already causing people to associate not wearing masks with courage and manliness. It is yet another way that Trump is making this pandemic worse and he is killing people. It will also cause more economic hardship when hotspots force closings again. His own guidelines say that masks are essential when you cannot social distance and he still mocks Biden for wearing one.



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You can sum up this OP in two words: desperate and stupid. But then again that sums up most liberal arguments these days.
 
What does Trump care - he has access to high quality healthcare at our expense and can afford to do whatever he wants. Unlike his rubes who lack good healthcare access.

Remember back in 2019 we were #1 for a pandemic response but one area we scored low in was access to healthcare.

That hasn't been addressed at all during this pandemic and why should it be? Our "leaders" can get what they want when they want it - including prescriptions!
 
Fletch said:
You can sum up this OP in two words: desperate and stupid. But then again that sums up most liberal arguments these days.
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