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    Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

    "Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

    "This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

    I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
    It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
    1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
    2. technologically inferior communication channels

    The radio episode is at YouTube
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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by ldsrptcvt View Post
    The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

    "Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

    "This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

    I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
    It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
    1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
    2. technologically inferior communication channels

    The radio episode is at YouTube

    The United States does not have a health care “system”.

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by ldsrptcvt View Post
    The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

    "Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

    "This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

    I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
    It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
    1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
    2. technologically inferior communication channels

    The radio episode is at YouTube
    Keeping the emphasis on meaningless numbers is a good way to keep the fear factor up, and a good way to assure bigger budgets next year.

    Plandemic is still the best description of this ongoing fiasco.

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    The United States does not have a health care “system”.
    which is biting us in the ass; if we could just agree on national reporting protocols and develop up-to-date technology for data transmission up to the CDC, we could handle pandemics better. Where is our famous high tech development when we need it? Some areas are still communicating by fax for crying out loud.
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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Keeping the emphasis on meaningless numbers is a good way to keep the fear factor up, and a good way to assure bigger budgets next year.

    Plandemic is still the best description of this ongoing fiasco.
    what are the odds that we could convince the White House that our testing and reporting need to be streamlined across state lines and that we need a "Manhattan" type project to bring public health communication channels into the 21st century?

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by ldsrptcvt View Post
    what are the odds that we could convince the White House that our testing and reporting need to be streamlined across state lines and that we need a "Manhattan" type project to bring public health communication channels into the 21st century?
    Not sure about those odds. I think I get your point. Speaking of testing, this analysis by Kevin Ryan is most informative, from early April.

    Dig Within | The blog of Kevin Ryan

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

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    Not sure about those odds. I think I get your point. Speaking of testing, this analysis by Kevin Ryan is most informative, from early April.

    Dig Within | The blog of Kevin Ryan
    thanks. Did you get a chance to watch the video? It's interesting, especially if you're tech-y

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by ldsrptcvt View Post
    which is biting us in the ass; if we could just agree on national reporting protocols and develop up-to-date technology for data transmission up to the CDC, we could handle pandemics better. Where is our famous high tech development when we need it? Some areas are still communicating by fax for crying out loud.
    It is.

    Not only that, the White House is using that fact to try and sow confusion, in order to promote the notion in the weaker minds, and among their hard core Trump base, that this is all some big fake, no worse than the flu etc, ad nauseous....

    Trump consistantly fought any Federal role in responsibility for managing the crisis, regularly contradicted and undermined all the professionals around him, and is now busy patting himself on the back; claiming that doing nothing and bellowing at critics saved millions of lives.

    The Trump bobble heads will believe this. Doing nothing, avoiding responsibility, and letting everything drift along directionless (except for the graft) got results.

    Dangerous Don says so!

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

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    thanks. Did you get a chance to watch the video? It's interesting, especially if you're tech-y
    Along those lines, here is something recent: COVID Data: ‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’ - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    Why is it that dissenters are so often right?

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    Re: Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by ldsrptcvt View Post
    The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data itís collecting | MIT Technology Review

    "Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patientsí ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

    "This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

    I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
    It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
    1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
    2. technologically inferior communication channels

    The radio episode is at YouTube
    If you want the states to have autonomy over reopening schedules, policies on church gatherings (and, for that matter, autonomy over selecting when and how to hold presidential elections), then you can't expect the federal government to be responsible for streamlining how the states collect data

    If you authentically feel that Trump should be taking charge of this, then you need to let him take charge of reopening plans, policies about churches, and election methods

    Otherwise, you're using federalism to cherrypick when to blame Trump

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