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Social media and virus propaganda

What role does fear play in the decision making process for humans?
 
Thoreau72 said:
What role does fear play in the decision making process for humans?
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In people like you, quite a bit. Many conservatives are emotional and let internet narratives drive them into panic and demand irrational actions that will kill more Americans. Stop being a Russian pawn by going around this forum trying to make the pandemic seem like a democrat conspiracy. The pandemic is real, and the 100,000 dead Americans are real. Stop letting your emotion and fear overrule reality and rational thinking.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
In people like you, quite a bit. Many conservatives are emotional and let internet narratives drive them into panic and demand irrational actions that will kill more Americans. Stop being a Russian pawn by going around this forum trying to make the pandemic seem like a democrat conspiracy. The pandemic is real, and the 100,000 dead Americans are real. Stop letting your emotion and fear overrule reality and rational thinking.
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For the first 2 of the 14 day self isolation cycles I was in fear, including paranoia regarding the omnipotent virus described by Fauci and MSM. For that first month I was more afraid of the virus than I was of Osama bin Laden.

After about a month I began to realize that the virus was not all it had been represented as, and part of that realization was based on the fact that so many friends and acquaintances had been infected with the virus and survived without any medical care at all.

So, I'm over the fear, but it very much IS a factor in human perceptions and decision making. That's nothing new, of course, as men like Goebbels and Bernays were talking about it a century ago.
 
Thoreau72 said:
For the first 2 of the 14 day self isolation cycles I was in fear, including paranoia regarding the omnipotent virus described by Fauci and MSM. For that first month I was more afraid of the virus than I was of Osama bin Laden.

After about a month I began to realize that the virus was not all it had been represented as, and part of that realization was based on the fact that so many friends and acquaintances had been infected with the virus and survived without any medical care at all.

So, I'm over the fear, but it very much IS a factor in human perceptions and decision making. That's nothing new, of course, as men like Goebbels and Bernays were talking about it a century ago.
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The concern one should have gotten from what Fauci described should at the most have been that of a rational fear. Your paranoia is an irrational fear that also includes blame and false accusation. Apparently, you still suffer from that paranoia as you continue to falsely blame Fauci and MSM as is evident in the wording of your statement implying your fear and paranoia was brought on by how the "omnipotent" virus was described by "Fauci and MSM". You had too emotional an affect to begin with and a good portion of that affect still draws from your perception that the virus is being misrepresented by the scientific community. I'm guessing you think Trump knows better than the scientists.
 
bluesmoke said:
The concern one should have gotten from what Fauci described should at the most have been that of a rational fear. Your paranoia is an irrational fear that also includes blame and false accusation. Apparently, you still suffer from that paranoia as you continue to falsely blame Fauci and MSM as is evident in the wording of your statement implying your fear and paranoia was brought on by how the "omnipotent" virus was described by "Fauci and MSM". You had too emotional an affect to begin with and a good portion of that affect still draws from your perception that the virus is being misrepresented by the scientific community. I'm guessing you think Trump knows better than the scientists.
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No, I'm over the paranoia.

Your guess that I think Trump knows more than the scientists is poor indeed. Trump is an idiot, I've known that since 1975, and I've made that statement many times here at DP since your join date of June 2016. That you would have to make such a statement reveals how superficial your analysis is, how desperate your chosen position is on this matter.
 
Thoreau72 said:
What role does fear play in the decision making process for humans?
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Fear is a built in survival trait, probably hard wired into our brains.

Being afraid of valid threats is normal. In your world perhaps the virus hasn't come close enough to be considered a threat. In mine, in addition to being in a segment of society that is a prime target by age and living far too close to one of the centers of death, I have already lost close friends. They were not "old people in homes" but vibrant, still employed members of society. They died early on when we didn't know enough about social distancing and before we went into the shelter in place world we now live in. My state is the last to have begun any opening at all and it is a carefully measured step by step process. That seems reasonable to me. Much of the opening I see in some of the states is just going to result in more unnecessary deaths. Parts of the country seem to have learned nothing.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
In people like you, quite a bit. Many conservatives are emotional and let internet narratives drive them into panic and demand irrational actions that will kill more Americans. Stop being a Russian pawn by going around this forum trying to make the pandemic seem like a democrat conspiracy. The pandemic is real, and the 100,000 dead Americans are real. Stop letting your emotion and fear overrule reality and rational thinking.
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:lamo It is mostly progressives living in terror due to the 24/7 bio-terrorism-for-profit-and-power of the richest people on earth via the MSM they OWN. Progressivism is corporate-fascism of endless fear and hate-mongering. Non-stop fear mongering and hate mongering. Most progressives are Chicken Littles. Even by your message, you are driven by fear and irrational non-reality thinking.
 
Thoreau72 said:
What role does fear play in the decision making process for humans?
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Depends on the size of their right amygdala.

Conservatives have larger ones than liberals and the right amygdala is associated with strong responses to threats to the group. Nobody knows if this is a result of genetics or nurture for sure.

Liberals on the other hand have larger anterior cingulate cortexes. Which are associated with a lack of fear of the novel. More likely to try new approaches.

You'll notice that almost all conservative narratives are fear-based. Identification of threats, real or manufactured.
 
Thoreau72 said:
For the first 2 of the 14 day self isolation cycles I was in fear, including paranoia regarding the omnipotent virus described by Fauci and MSM. For that first month I was more afraid of the virus than I was of Osama bin Laden.

After about a month I began to realize that the virus was not all it had been represented as, and part of that realization was based on the fact that so many friends and acquaintances had been infected with the virus and survived without any medical care at all.

So, I'm over the fear, but it very much IS a factor in human perceptions and decision making. That's nothing new, of course, as men like Goebbels and Bernays were talking about it a century ago.
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I think that a lot of those complying with pandemic abatement aren't afraid so much as resolved. This was always gonna suck. Trump massively increased the suck with his inaction early on. And now is trying to put the blame anywere else but on him.

It isn't fun to fix the toilet. But sometimes you gotta do it.

It isn't fun to change a transmission but sometimes you have to.

And sometimes you have a pandemic, your president blows the nation's response, and you have to deal with some major inconvenience for a while as a result.

I would rather not suffocate in a hospital for a couple of weeks and come out with permanent lung damage, which is likely as I am a 56 year old asthmatic with type 2 diabetes.

But I have not lived in "fear" at any time during this outbreak. I've gone out whenever I needed to.

I wear a mask in case I have caught it and am asymptomatic, out of respect for my fellow citizens.

And I consider not doing so to be totally disrespectful of others.

I have yet to catch anybody tormenting an employee for requitmring them to west a mask.

They will leave sad or in handcuffs if I do. They certainly won't leave with any useful propaganda video.

They also don't show up in San Diego with guns. So I haven't had the opportunity to make them cry. Or go to jail for shooting me on camera for talking **** to them about how small their penises must be.

Fear isn't really a factor for me. I almost always win these kinds of confrontations. Without a scratch.
 
Thoreau72 said:
No, I'm over the paranoia.

Your guess that I think Trump knows more than the scientists is poor indeed. Trump is an idiot, I've known that since 1975, and I've made that statement many times here at DP since your join date of June 2016. That you would have to make such a statement reveals how superficial your analysis is, how desperate your chosen position is on this matter.
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Problem is that his "chosen position" is that of experts in this area.

And that others' "chosen position" was born of conservative media propaganda.

You can tell it's propaganda because it only talks about those who do from the virus and does not mention the 15% or so of those over 19 who suffer horribly for weeks and often end up with permanent damage they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

And doesn't even hint at the fact that this crisis is 100% trump's fault.

We know what works in pandemic response.

Trump did none of those things.
 
joko104 said:
:lamo It is mostly progressives living in terror due to the 24/7 bio-terrorism-for-profit-and-power of the richest people on earth via the MSM they OWN. Progressivism is corporate-fascism of endless fear and hate-mongering. Non-stop fear mongering and hate mongering. Most progressives are Chicken Littles. Even by your message, you are driven by fear and irrational non-reality thinking.
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Blah blah blah.

Your president gave a massive tax cut to those corporations you decry.

Republicans only work for donors.

That's why they're pushing to throw the doors open.

There's market share up for grabs!
 
joko104 said:
:lamo It is mostly progressives living in terror due to the 24/7 bio-terrorism-for-profit-and-power of the richest people on earth via the MSM they OWN. Progressivism is corporate-fascism of endless fear and hate-mongering. Non-stop fear mongering and hate mongering. Most progressives are Chicken Littles. Even by your message, you are driven by fear and irrational non-reality thinking.
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For many reasons it's difficult to separate Bots from people.
 
avatar said:
Fear is a built in survival trait, probably hard wired into our brains.

Being afraid of valid threats is normal. In your world perhaps the virus hasn't come close enough to be considered a threat. In mine, in addition to being in a segment of society that is a prime target by age and living far too close to one of the centers of death, I have already lost close friends. They were not "old people in homes" but vibrant, still employed members of society. They died early on when we didn't know enough about social distancing and before we went into the shelter in place world we now live in. My state is the last to have begun any opening at all and it is a carefully measured step by step process. That seems reasonable to me. Much of the opening I see in some of the states is just going to result in more unnecessary deaths. Parts of the country seem to have learned nothing.
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In your opinion does fear contribute to good decision making? Or does it work against good decision making?

Do you care to answer?
 
What if...? said:
I think that a lot of those complying with pandemic abatement aren't afraid so much as resolved. This was always gonna suck. Trump massively increased the suck with his inaction early on. And now is trying to put the blame anywere else but on him.

It isn't fun to fix the toilet. But sometimes you gotta do it.

It isn't fun to change a transmission but sometimes you have to.

And sometimes you have a pandemic, your president blows the nation's response, and you have to deal with some major inconvenience for a while as a result.

I would rather not suffocate in a hospital for a couple of weeks and come out with permanent lung damage, which is likely as I am a 56 year old asthmatic with type 2 diabetes.

But I have not lived in "fear" at any time during this outbreak. I've gone out whenever I needed to.

I wear a mask in case I have caught it and am asymptomatic, out of respect for my fellow citizens.

And I consider not doing so to be totally disrespectful of others.

I have yet to catch anybody tormenting an employee for requitmring them to west a mask.

They will leave sad or in handcuffs if I do. They certainly won't leave with any useful propaganda video.

They also don't show up in San Diego with guns. So I haven't had the opportunity to make them cry. Or go to jail for shooting me on camera for talking **** to them about how small their penises must be.

Fear isn't really a factor for me. I almost always win these kinds of confrontations. Without a scratch.
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It is indeed most courteous of you to wear masks to protect your fellow citizens in case you are asymptomatic and contagious.

Have you any knowledge or opinions about how LONG a person such as you might remain contagious in that scenario? Forever? Any thoughts?
 
What if...? said:
Problem is that his "chosen position" is that of experts in this area.

And that others' "chosen position" was born of conservative media propaganda.

You can tell it's propaganda because it only talks about those who do from the virus and does not mention the 15% or so of those over 19 who suffer horribly for weeks and often end up with permanent damage they will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

And doesn't even hint at the fact that this crisis is 100% trump's fault.

We know what works in pandemic response.

Trump did none of those things.
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Boy, if you know what works in a pandemic response, then perhaps you should run for Esteemed Leader! :lol:
 
Thoreau72 said:
Boy, if you know what works in a pandemic response, then perhaps you should run for Esteemed Leader! :lol:
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Perhaps "esteemed leaders" should do what experts say works best.

I'm quite sure you dont want trump performing your vasectomy.

So I'm not sure why you want him to decide how to address a pandemic.

Leaders learn to delegate, to defer to experts in areas they have no expertise.

They don't just make it up based on how it will affect the stock market. You don't go with "Tinkerbell" as a strategy. Do you really think that if we just believed in him enough it would have disappeared by April?

Con you find a single epidemiologist who supports wish based responses?
 
Thoreau72 said:
In your opinion does fear contribute to good decision making? Or does it work against good decision making?

Do you care to answer?
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For the most part, human survival instincts have used fear to good effect. I suspect that you are going to find this answer satisfying as you seem to be fishing for something else.
 
Thoreau72 said:
It is indeed most courteous of you to wear masks to protect your fellow citizens in case you are asymptomatic and contagious.

Have you any knowledge or opinions about how LONG a person such as you might remain contagious in that scenario? Forever? Any thoughts?
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Do you have any idea if and when I caught the virus? Would I, if asymptomatic?

Without that info, I cannot give you an answer.

With it, a couple of weeks.

I will get an antibody test at some point. I'm one of those who got really sick with the symptoms associated with SARS-COV-2. Back the first week of February. Two autopsies of tissue from people who died mysteriously tested positive for coronavirus. They died in early and mid February. Santa Clara county.

Guys from my union work up there a lot. I caught it from coworkers working sick.

I don't think it's likely, but it is possible. We get a couple of "things" a year that aren't "going around". Most likely contracted from a convention attendee.

So I think you're trying to make some point that I would only be contagious for a limited time so continuing to wear a mask would be pointless.

I think you're desperately trying to justify trump's non-response for weeks. Pretend that nothing could have been done so trump doing nothing didn't matter.

But we have examples of countries who followed outbreak SOP and are doing far better than we are.

We didn't follow it at all until the situation demanded mitigation. We never even attempted containment.

Now states are trying to do containment. While trump tells his minions to do nothing.

And we already see how that approach worked out.

Containment costs would have been in the billions, not trillions. Strong early efforts could have avoided complete shutdowns. We would be getting back to normal as countries who did are.

The only consolation here is trumps failure is written in the numbers. He will go down in history as a failed president, who choked when the chips were down.

There's nothing he or his can do about it and he'll live to see it.

Won't bring anybody back to life, but it's something.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
In people like you, quite a bit. Many conservatives are emotional and let internet narratives drive them into panic and demand irrational actions that will kill more Americans. Stop being a Russian pawn by going around this forum trying to make the pandemic seem like a democrat conspiracy. The pandemic is real, and the 100,000 dead Americans are real. Stop letting your emotion and fear overrule reality and rational thinking.
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Your response shows the very characteristics in your words you project with your steretypes of what you call conservatives. Your steretypes are also illogical. Fear is a human emotion present in all humans unless they are suffering from a specific neurological or psychiatric condition.
 
Thoreau72 said:
No, I'm over the paranoia.

Your guess that I think Trump knows more than the scientists is poor indeed. Trump is an idiot, I've known that since 1975, and I've made that statement many times here at DP since your join date of June 2016. That you would have to make such a statement reveals how superficial your analysis is, how desperate your chosen position is on this matter.
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You accuse me of desperation when YOU blame Fauci for bringing on your fear and paranoia then now say you’re over it but do not absolve Fauci of any blame. You pretend to call Trump an idiot yet you support Trump’s truly idiotic coronavirus policy that the virus is no problem, apparently based on your own expert observation that your friends aren’t dead yet, so the science must be wrong. I guess your standard is when a friend, loved one or you drops dead from SARS-CoV-19, THEN credence will be lent to the fact of the deadliness of coronavirus and maybe all the science community might then be right and you will consider giving them your righteous nod.
 
avatar said:
For the most part, human survival instincts have used fear to good effect. I suspect that you are going to find this answer satisfying as you seem to be fishing for something else.
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Yes, I was 'fishing' for a straight answer to a straight question. Nice dodge by yourself!
 
What if...? said:
Do you have any idea if and when I caught the virus? Would I, if asymptomatic?

Without that info, I cannot give you an answer.

With it, a couple of weeks.

I will get an antibody test at some point. I'm one of those who got really sick with the symptoms associated with SARS-COV-2. Back the first week of February. Two autopsies of tissue from people who died mysteriously tested positive for coronavirus. They died in early and mid February. Santa Clara county.

Guys from my union work up there a lot. I caught it from coworkers working sick.

I don't think it's likely, but it is possible. We get a couple of "things" a year that aren't "going around". Most likely contracted from a convention attendee.

So I think you're trying to make some point that I would only be contagious for a limited time so continuing to wear a mask would be pointless.

I think you're desperately trying to justify trump's non-response for weeks. Pretend that nothing could have been done so trump doing nothing didn't matter.

But we have examples of countries who followed outbreak SOP and are doing far better than we are.

We didn't follow it at all until the situation demanded mitigation. We never even attempted containment.

Now states are trying to do containment. While trump tells his minions to do nothing.

And we already see how that approach worked out.

Containment costs would have been in the billions, not trillions. Strong early efforts could have avoided complete shutdowns. We would be getting back to normal as countries who did are.

The only consolation here is trumps failure is written in the numbers. He will go down in history as a failed president, who choked when the chips were down.

There's nothing he or his can do about it and he'll live to see it.

Won't bring anybody back to life, but it's something.
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Traditionally, a person infected with a virus or even the common cold is considered to be contagious, able to spread the disease to others, for about a week. Wikipedia will confirm that.

To keep Anthony happy, are we supposed to presume that a person infected with Covid will be contagious forever?

I too plan to be tested for antibodies, hopefully in the next week or two.
 
Like Clinton, Biden is the Democratic nominee solely by the propaganda power of the MSM - 100% owned and controlled by the richest people on earth. Even most Democrats don't like Biden, like they don't like Clinton. But they vote as the propaganda of the richest people on earth tell them to, just like the recite the 24/7 terrorism by the super rich of the world on their MSM they control - all for their profiting by the trillions and getting their competitors obliterated by dictatorial government decrees.

Never before in US history have governors and mayors ordered hundreds of thousands of businesses indefinitely outlawed to force them to by Chinese made goods from the sweatshops run by those super rich. Never before have governors and mayors ordered every American - but themselves - under house arrest.

The super rich also control and own social media, for which you see them increasingly banning anyone who dares defy or question their for-profit-and-power propaganda. Of course Twitter, Facebook and Google want the shutdown to last forever. A huge portion of their income is from advertising Internet businesses, not local stores and shops. Therefore, other than mega national companies like WalMart who do advertise, they want every brick and mortar store outlawed as long as possible to force them into bankruptcy and ideally outlawed forever.

The 24/7 bio-terrorism campaign - day after week after month - is entirely about ever more wealth and power for the already richest and most powerful people in the world.
 
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