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Hydroxychloroquine. It’s over.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine. It’s over.

jmotivator said:
A mysterious company’s coronavirus papers in top medical journals may be unraveling | Science | AAAS




Huh, not as over as the OP would have you believe.

But don't blame him, he doesn't read the papers that he chooses to believe....
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I read the entire paper.

And I don’t assume false data when reading a peer reviewed Lancet paper, I tend to take this stuff at face value because I don’t have a wingnut bias.

If these accusations of false data are true, the Lancet will have a black eye, and the authors academic careers will be seriously damaged.
 
jmotivator said:
LOL. It's going to be fun watching your thread fall apart around you.

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So you think that paper is a ‘study’?

Or do you just not understand anything more complicated than a run on sentence?
 
jmotivator said:
LOL. It's going to be fun watching your thread fall apart around you.

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There was at least one more thread touting the Lancet pile of crap. https://www.debatepolitics.com/covi...roquine-raising-questions.html#post1071966927
This was posted there.

bubbabgone said:
1) this is old news already threaded here on DP, was slammed then, looks even worse now.
2) like the VA "study" it's still nothing but a sloppy review of data gathered for a different purpose and used questionable algorithms.
3) looks like the authors had serious conflicts of interest.
4) and on and on

IOW, it was debunked before the ink dried.

Lancet study on Hydroxychloroquine is at best inaccurate and flawed and may be result of massive conflict of interest. Nonetheless it has forced the WHO to pause all HCQ trials - those same trials could'''ve proved efficacy of HCQ. Is this a massive conspiracy to mire HCQ in obscure data? Uh huh : conspiracy
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Then a couple of deep thinkers decided not to go further after seeing the name of the source.
There's a lesson to be learned but they never do.
 
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Threegoofs said:
I read the entire paper.

And I don’t assume false data when reading a peer reviewed Lancet paper, I tend to take this stuff at face value because I don’t have a wingnut bias.

If these accusations of false data are true, the Lancet will have a black eye, and the authors academic careers will be seriously damaged.
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Not the first time Lancet has published fraud.

Lancet MMR autism fraud - Wikipedia

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Jump to The Lancet paper - The paper was retracted in 2010. Characterised as "perhaps the most damaging medical hoax of the 20th Century", it led to a ...


 
Re: Hydroxychloroquine. It’s over.


Nevermind…Maybe HCQ not so bad.

As noted previously by Leo Goldstein, there has been a coordinated attempt by institutional press and academia to discredit the use of Hydroxychloroquine. Distributed Denial of HCQ to COVID-19 Victims | Watts Up With That? As noted in yesterday’s edition of Science: A mysterious company’s coronavirus papers in top medical journals may be unraveling By Kelly Servick, Martin EnserinkJun. 2, 2020 , 7:55 PM On its…
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Grim17 said:
This just confirms what we all have known from day one... It's never been about anything else but politics to the left. They don't give a damn if millions die, as long as they can get Trump.

It used to be that when the country faced a major crisis, politics was put aside and people of all political persuasions came together as Americans.... Thanks to TDS, those days are over. Forget about Covid 19, the TDS epidemic has proven to be a far greater danger to America than any virus could ever be... Finding a cure for TDS needs to be the nations #1 priority.

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That's such a load of BS and completely out of touch from what people really think. I live in a very left wing part of the country and my friends and family are generally very liberal. I have quite a few friend who have had close relatives that have died. Many of them are sad, depressed, and just sick of this virus and what it's done to them. I really fear for some of their lives, both due to underlying health conditions and mental health issues. We're legitimately pissed off and believe the Trump administration is in a major part responsible for this mess. We would gladly trade this virus away for another 4 years of Trump, if that were possible. Do you honestly think Trump's failures gives us enough pleasure to overcome the misery of being isolated and stuck inside for who knows how long? Are you actually being serious?
 
The Boulware UMN study is finally published.

Pretty definitive. For post exposure prophylactic use, HCQ didn’t help at all in COVID and increased adverse effects.

Guess now we know it doesn’t work early, and it doesn’t work late. That doesn’t bode well for anything in between.


Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent coronavirus: study in NEJM - Business Insider

For some reason, I can’t get a working link to the study.
 
Threegoofs said:
The Boulware UMN study is finally published.

Pretty definitive. For post exposure prophylactic use, HCQ didn’t help at all in COVID and increased adverse effects.

Guess now we know it doesn’t work early, and it doesn’t work late. That doesn’t bode well for anything in between.


Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent coronavirus: study in NEJM - Business Insider

For some reason, I can’t get a working link to the study.
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Let's hope the NEJM doesn't have to issue a second expression of concern.

Hours earlier, The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) issued its own EOC about a second study using Surgisphere data, published on 1 May.

Nevermind…Maybe HCQ not so bad.
 
Jack Hays said:
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Just when I thought academia and UN agencies couldn’t possibly get any more farcical.
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Another fraud!! How many people died because of this false information?
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Another fraud!! How many people died because of this false information?
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That was written by a substitute middle school teacher. Jack thinks he’s a good source.

Don’t worry - the physicians who made this decision have a lot more info than the studies done by Surgisphere.
 
Threegoofs said:
That was written by a substitute middle school teacher. Jack thinks he’s a good source.

Don’t worry - the physicians who made this decision have a lot more info than the studies done by Surgisphere.
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Sorry, but it was written by reporters from The Guardian.
 
OOPS from Lancet ...
Important scientific questions have been raised about data reported in the paper by Mandeep Mehra et al—Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis1—published in The Lancet on May 22, 2020. Although an independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has been commissioned by the authors not affiliated with Surgisphere and is ongoing, with results expected very shortly, we are issuing an Expression of Concern to alert readers to the fact that serious scientific questions have been brought to our attention. We will update this notice as soon as we have further information.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31290-3/fulltext
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And the WHO has resumed it's HCQ trial.
But take heart.
Serious damage has already been done and that's what matters, innit?
 
Threegoofs said:
That was written by a substitute middle school teacher.
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Threegoofs - I'm sorry, is there a problem here?

I taught middle school for two years in the Santa Cruz area - it was full time, not substitute work - it was also a Math position, not related to anything I'm doing now

My degree is in Political Science, and I've been in this field now for 2 years

Perhaps you want to tell us exactly what your qualifications are? How do we know you're not a janitor working third shift at a Taco Bell?
 
ReubenSherr said:
Threegoofs - I'm sorry, is there a problem here?

I taught middle school for two years in the Santa Cruz area - it was full time, not substitute work - it was also a Math position, not related to anything I'm doing now

My degree is in Political Science, and I've been in this field now for 2 years

Perhaps you want to tell us exactly what your qualifications are? How do we know you're not a janitor working third shift at a Taco Bell?
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Tony Heller is a substitute middleschool teacher that writes a denier blog.


It’s not all about you...
 
ReubenSherr said:
Threegoofs - I'm sorry, is there a problem here?

I taught middle school for two years in the Santa Cruz area - it was full time, not substitute work - it was also a Math position, not related to anything I'm doing now

My degree is in Political Science, and I've been in this field now for 2 years

Perhaps you want to tell us exactly what your qualifications are? How do we know you're not a janitor working third shift at a Taco Bell?
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I am concerned about the 'appeal to authority'. Middle school teachers tend not to be authorities on medical research.
 
RAMOSS said:
I am concerned about the 'appeal to authority'. Middle school teachers tend not to be authorities on medical research.
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Right, but people studying and writing about American politics, like me, tend to be authorities on American politics;) This is a political message board, not a pharmaceutical message board

No one on this board knows anyone's career credentials - Just read what is written, if you agree, awesome, if you don't, then disagree

And drop this middle school teacher thing lol - I did it for 2 years, it's in the past, and lol I can't believe I feel like I'm apologizing for it - most people would consider it an admirable profession :mrgreen:
 
ReubenSherr said:
Right, but people studying and writing about American politics tend to be authorities on American politics;) This is a political message board, not a pharmaceutical message board

No one on this board knows anyone's career credentials - Just read what is written, if you agree, awesome, if you don't, then disagree

And drop this middle school teacher thing lol - I did it for 2 years, it's in the past, and lol I can't believe I feel like I'm apologizing for it - most people would consider it an admirable profession :mrgreen:
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Not of course, when it is used as 'look how smart I am, so I am an expert on xyz'
 
Threegoofs said:
Neither do political science majors.
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Lol no, but operating under the assumption that the pharmaceutical field is so vastly complex that no one outside the field could possibly even question the research going on is either embarassingly naive or purposely mischievious

If you have the right to question politicians, I have the right to question researchers;)
 
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