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Hydroxychloroquine. It’s over.

Threegoofs

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There’s a paper out in Lancet today that will probably kill the whole idea of HCQ or chloroquine utility in COVID. It’s observational, but do suggestive of harm that it needs to be taken seriously.

90,000+ COVID patients in hundreds of hospitals worldwide with 15000 getting HCQ or chloroquine.

Results show a substantial INCREASE in mortality, and a quadrupling of ventricular arrhythmias.

This may lead to clinical trials being stopped. It’s also going to be unethical to give this in an outpatient setting with toxicity like that.


Good write up here.

Hydroxychloroquine: Enough Already? | In the Pipeline

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Huh, so the answer to "What have you got to lose?" is "your life."

I wonder how many folks Trump and his fellow hucksters in the rightwing infotainment industry killed by hawking an unproven treatment.
 
Don't drink aquarium cleaner or inject Lysol.
 
Threegoofs said:
Results show a substantial INCREASE in mortality, and a quadrupling of ventricular arrhythmias.
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Trump and the Cult will probably come out any minute now either

(a) to dispute the fake news Deep State neverTrumper study

or

(b) claim that they said all along that HCQ was terrible, way before anyone else was saying it.

Which will it be? Which will it be? The suspense is killing me... :yawn:
 
Threegoofs said:
There’s a paper out in Lancet today that will probably kill the whole idea of HCQ or chloroquine utility in COVID. It’s observational, but do suggestive of harm that it needs to be taken seriously.

90,000+ COVID patients in hundreds of hospitals worldwide with 15000 getting HCQ or chloroquine.

Results show a substantial INCREASE in mortality, and a quadrupling of ventricular arrhythmias.

This may lead to clinical trials being stopped. It’s also going to be unethical to give this in an outpatient setting with toxicity like that.


Good write up here.

Hydroxychloroquine: Enough Already? | In the Pipeline

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I know you're happy! :lamo
 
Slavister said:
Trump and the Cult will probably come out any minute now either

(a) to dispute the fake news Deep State neverTrumper study

or

(b) claim that they said all along that HCQ was terrible, way before anyone else was saying it.

Which will it be? Which will it be? The suspense is killing me... :yawn:
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Mycroft is here already.

I'm shocked lol.
 
Greenbeard said:
Huh, so the answer to "What have you got to lose?" is "your life."

I wonder how many folks Trump and his fellow hucksters in the rightwing infotainment industry killed by hawking an unproven treatment.
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I wonder if the US Govt. can get a refund on the 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to stockpile that we bought from India? At least 22 states and Washington D.C. stockpiled this drug. Sixteen of those states were were won by Trump in 2016. Several states; New York, Connecticut, Oregon, Louisiana, North Carolina and Texas received donations of the medication from a private company based in New Jersey. Millions upon millions of dollars are being wasted on bull**** like this drug. And unfortunately billions upon billions of our money is going to be handed over to multiple drug companies who claim -- albeit without any clinical studies or peer reviews -- that they have developed a 'promising' vaccine. This is going to be the next major ripoff of the US treasury.
 
Slavister said:
Trump and the Cult will probably come out any minute now either

(a) to dispute the fake news Deep State neverTrumper study

or

(b) claim that they said all along that HCQ was terrible, way before anyone else was saying it.

Which will it be? Which will it be? The suspense is killing me... :yawn:
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No, we're here to ridicule your celebration of failure.
 
Not for the South American science illiterate Bolsonaro — Brazil’s Trump. Brazil is home to mass graves and the worst spike in the world.

Once again, since they’re the poor, like our Native Americans and Meat-Packer Essentials, they’re underreported, not reported, and deemed throwaway deaths.
 
Greenbeard said:
Huh, so the answer to "What have you got to lose?" is "your life."

I wonder how many folks Trump and his fellow hucksters in the rightwing infotainment industry killed by hawking an unproven treatment.
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I wonder how many of them actually believe that Trump is actually taking the stuff.
 
apdst said:
No, we're here to ridicule your celebration of failure.
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This just confirms what we all have known from day one... It's never been about anything else but politics to the left. They don't give a damn if millions die, as long as they can get Trump.

It used to be that when the country faced a major crisis, politics was put aside and people of all political persuasions came together as Americans.... Thanks to TDS, those days are over. Forget about Covid 19, the TDS epidemic has proven to be a far greater danger to America than any virus could ever be... Finding a cure for TDS needs to be the nations #1 priority.

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Grim17 said:
This just confirms what we all have known from day one... It's never been about anything else but politics to the left. They don't give a damn if millions die, as long as they can get Trump.
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Unfortunately, Trump's tendency to kill people is a political issue, since his political office is what provides him the platform to **** up so royally.
 
Greenbeard said:
Grim17 said:
This just confirms what we all have known from day one... It's never been about anything else but politics to the left. They don't give a damn if millions die, as long as they can get Trump.

It used to be that when the country faced a major crisis, politics was put aside and people of all political persuasions came together as Americans.... Thanks to TDS, those days are over. Forget about Covid 19, the TDS epidemic has proven to be a far greater danger to America than any virus could ever be... Finding a cure for TDS needs to be the nations #1 priority.

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Unfortunately, Trump's tendency to kill people is a political issue, since his political office is what provides him the platform to **** up so royally.
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Here we have the first of what I'm sure will be many, who gladly prove my point... and it only took 5 minutes.


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Grim17 said:
This just confirms what we all have known from day one... It's never been about anything else but politics to the left. They don't give a damn if millions die, as long as they can get Trump.

It used to be that when the country faced a major crisis, politics was put aside and people of all political persuasions came together as Americans.... Thanks to TDS, those days are over. Forget about Covid 19, the TDS epidemic has proven to be a far greater danger to America than any virus could ever be... Finding a cure for TDS needs to be the nations #1 priority.

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Not sure what they are celebrating. The drug was never being used to combat covid 19 itself.
it was being used to help in the relief of lung distress that the virus was causing.

We all know that such treatments only work so well. If someone already had the virus and existing lung issues
then there is a great chance that the drug would not do anything or have little effect.

in a healthy normal person i could help enough to aviliate some of the lung distress.
no one in their right mind suggested that this was a cure all for covid19 only that it helped
in some cases with lung functions.
 
Greenbeard said:
Unfortunately, Trump's tendency to kill people is a political issue, since his political office is what provides him the platform to **** up so royally.
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i thought leftist hated lies so why are you doing it?
 
Threegoofs said:
I am happy this drug won’t be allowed to kill anymore people then it already has, snd research resources will bet re-diverted into actual promising therapies.

Aren’t you?
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You're celebrating because it's been officially poo-poo'ed as a treatment for the china flu because Trump said it might be. Two seconds after Trump mentioned it you were rooting for failure.
 
Re: Hydroxychloroquine. It’s over.

Threegoofs said:
There’s a paper out in Lancet today that will probably kill the whole idea of HCQ or chloroquine utility in COVID....
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Yeah, that's a pretty big blow.

I still think they should continue with randomized controlled studies, as that will further reduce some of the variables that an observational study might not be able to manage. But I don't expect a significantly different outcome.

So, the real question is how boosters like Laura Ingrahm will take it. Sadly, we know already that the reactions of the more extreme boosters is ultimately partisan, rather than scientific... (e.g. Coronavirus gets a promising drug. MAGA world isn’t buying it. - POLITICO)
 
Don't ever listen to Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. They are a massive liars.
 
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