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[W:411]Proof of Trump Causing Unnecessary Covid-19 Deaths

No I did not. I replied to Conservative's post, post #52 and the YOU butted in, post # 59.

Well, I'll just take your word for it because I don't have the time to research. My apologies.
 
I just watched the Tom Hanks movie "Sully" last night and it almost gave me a lump in my throat for a moment because it made me realize just how badly we NEEDED a "Captain Sully" moment in this pandemic.

America desperately needed a "Captain Sully" to safely land us in the Hudson, with the 1200 first responders all rushing up from the water, from the air, from the harbor, all those helping hands reaching out to save all 155 passengers from our "aircraft" after Sully did his perfect "Forced Water Landing".



Instead we have a 21st Century version of Captain Ahab, with Obama forced into the role of the whale.


I saw the movie a few years ago. I was shocked at how the airline tried to hang/scapegoat Sully for the incident. I wasn't aware of any of that at the time.
 
I can see nothing is going to change your mind as you obviously need a Joe Biden in the WH with his empty resume so you feel better about the office as actual results don't matter. the left which you are a part of has no problem giving up someone else's freedoms but never your own. what freedoms are you willing to give up, freedom of speech?

Setting an example? Since when did you ever buy anything Trump had to say for the past three years. Stop the leftwing BS and accept the fact that politics of personal destruction are your ideology and that doesn't win national elections,

Decades of public service is not an empty resume. The rest of your post is so ridiculous I won't waste any time responding.
 
Decades of public service is not an empty resume. The rest of your post is so ridiculous I won't waste any time responding.

Yes it is in dealing with the private sector, something Obama didn't understand which is why the recovery was so poor and what you still don't understand. The public sector spends other people's money well, Results matter which is why the left and you never post any
 
For those who like to play word games and semantics: no, I do NOT believe that Trump is responsible for the existence of the current pandemic.

I DO believe that he is responsible for botching the response to this. I feel that his lack of leadership, empathy and competency has made the situation worse.
 
In your nanny state personal responsibility doesn't exist, in the liberal ideology you promote hatred politics of personal destruction, and scare tactics to grow power. What freedoms are you willing to give up for your ideology, how about freedom of speech?

Anything that throws Trumps obese ass out to the curb is fine with me.
 
Anything that throws Trumps obese ass out to the curb is fine with me.

Absolutely because success isn't something you understand as we definitely need liberalism back in charge making more people dependent. The nanny state requires massive gov't intervention and scare tactics to steal freedoms. There is a reason the left is fighting Trump so hard, going to be a bloodbath for Democrats in November

Keep promoting the negativity and scare tactics while ignoring actual verifiable results

Care to respond to the following comparison

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
 
Because I do NOT practice 'whataboutism" as a way to excuse Trumps sins. That is how.

You absolutely do when it comes to Democrats nor it is a whataboutism. Pelosi deliberately caused the delay you complain of by blocking all funding. Testing and buying tests isn't free - and for 8 days Pelosi blocked even $1 dollar for testing. In short, the OP is a lie. Pelosi, not Trump, caused the week's delay and she did it deliberately.
 
I saw the movie a few years ago. I was shocked at how the airline tried to hang/scapegoat Sully for the incident. I wasn't aware of any of that at the time.

The airline AND the FAA it seems.
But part of me wants to believe that the airline and the FAA simply "had to do their job" even though it is clear that both the airline and the FAA were apparently under enormous pressure.
The FAA has been under a certain amount of "regulatory capture" by the airlines for almost a decade anyway, and the airlines themselves pursued this route because THEIR INSURANCE blew a gasket over the landing, which they initially didn't realize was such a heroic act.

I would have expected that both the FAA and the airlines would have tried to absolve themselves AND point responsibility to pilot error in almost any crash situation as a matter of routine, in order to clear the air that THEY were not responsible at all.
That is a rather typical deep pocket response to anything like that in any industry, it's what they pay their attorneys for.

But as can be seen, truth actually did win out, and Sully was such a brilliant pilot that he had little difficulty proving that he took the only reasonable course of action and in doing so, set the bar for both skill and bravery in the process.
 
For those who like to play word games and semantics: no, I do NOT believe that Trump is responsible for the existence of the current pandemic.

I DO believe that he is responsible for botching the response to this. I feel that his lack of leadership, empathy and competency has made the situation worse.

We needed a Captain Sully and we got Captain Joseph Hazelwood instead.
 
Because they are academics playing with mathematical models So far, these pinheads with their models are batting 0% with this virus. You like it you bizarrely believe it reflects badly on the President.

These “pinheads” have done a lot more research than you have shown yourself capable of.
 
The ones that if I posted here would be off topic, go to the Gov't spending Forum and look at how big the debt will be or any other economic thread. The results have been the best of any President in history for his first three years in office, those were ignored but now it is time to focus on pandemic economic results to try and make Trump look bad and divert from his real economic record.

You people keep talking about results from Trump's presidency. Well good results for you are bad results for someone else. For instance, I think it's horrible he put so many conservative judges on the court. I think it's horrible that he removed so many LIFE SAVING regulations. The list goes on and on.

We will both find out this November who think's Trumps results were so great.
 
You people keep talking about results from Trump's presidency. Well good results for you are bad results for someone else. For instance, I think it's horrible he put so many conservative judges on the court. I think it's horrible that he removed so many LIFE SAVING regulations. The list goes on and on.

We will both find out this November who think's Trumps results were so great.

We will find out in November if you people pay any attention to results

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3
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Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! ]Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

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U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed
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Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office
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African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
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We will find out in November if you people pay any attention to results

GDP dollars and GDP dollar growth, 487 billion growth is what Trump inherited, what was it in 2017-2018-2019?

2015 18224.8 +697.5
2016 18715.0 +487.2
2017 19519.4 +804.4
2018 20,580.2 +1060.8
2019 21427.1 +846.9

Then there is this which Trump inherited and the comparison through February 2020. Anyone that claims the GDP growth now is similar to what Obama had is the true hack and totally has no credibility. GDP components are personal consumption, business investment, government spending, and net exports. Obama's GDP growth was 4.3 trillion 8 years, Trump 2.7 trillion three, Obama's due to gov't spending, Trump consumer spending

Apps Test | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% February 2020-U-3
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Employed 152.2 million January 2017 to 157.9 million today so 6 million job growth from 2008 to 2017(146 million to 152 million) is celebrated but 6.7 million growth in the last three years isn't!! ]Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 6.9% February 2020? Wow!! 2.4% better U-6 obviously meaningless to you. U-6 indicates economic activity and includes all the under employed
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.2 million February 2020? Looks to me that incredible job growth you claim was boosted by part time jobs. Part time for economic reason jobs when the recession started 4.8 million, 5.7 million when Obama left office
Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

African American unemployment 8.0% January 2017 vs. 6.0% February 2020?
Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

IMO given the recovery after 2008 any administration elected in 2016 would have shown gains at least that good. It's easy building on the work of others. Few however would have set the stage for the down turn that was coming. In a way, the virus has saved Trump the embarrassment of the down turn by giving him something to blame.

Now, there's a statistic the Trump administration excells at.......blame.
 
IMO given the recovery after 2008 any administration elected in 2016 would have shown gains at least that good. It's easy building on the work of others. Few however would have set the stage for the down turn that was coming. In a way, the virus has saved Trump the embarrassment of the down turn by giving him something to blame.

Now, there's a statistic the Trump administration excells at.......blame.


That is certainly your opinion, Obama gave us the worst recovery in history from what was called the worst recession since the Great Depression. His results were dismal at best

Tell us what help the Democrats offered Trump after he won in 2016? Instead of placing blame why don't you pay attention to results

There seems to be a real disconnect when it comes to debt and the results generated from that debt thus showing that all debt isn't equal. What exactly did the American taxpayers get out of the Obama debt??

1. The worst recovery from a major recession in modern history
2. Employment not getting back to pre recession levels until 2014
3. Record numbers of part time for economic reason employment meaning part time jobs thus lower taxpaying jobs
4. 500 billion average annual GDP growth for 8 years(4.0 Trillion GDP growth)
5. 9.3% U-6 Unemployment rate
6. Bail out of the pubic sector and claimed saved jobs which didn't generate the promised new jobs thus new taxpayers from 842 billion dollar shovel ready jobs stimulus

What have we gotten for the Trump debt

1. Strong economic growth, 900 billion average GDP growth 2017-2018-2019(2.7 trillion growth)
2. Employment of 6.6 million jobs created in 3 years vs. 6 million jobs created prior to taking office the last 9 years
3. 6.9% U-6 vs. 9.3% that he inherited
4. 1.4 million fewer part time for economic reason employees than inherited
5. 6% African American unemployment vs. the 8% inherited
6. Record state and local tax revenue due to consumer spending as a result of the tax cuts
7. No massive Gov't stimulus program pre pandemic

Looks to me like the Trump debt generated better return than Obama's, await your reply?
 
A Columbia University study has shown that if Social Distancing had started just 1 week earlier than it started, over 36,000 deaths from Covid-19 could have been prevented.



As it is, Trump did not address the virus threat until 9 weeks after the first infection was reported, whereas South Korea and Germany addressed the virus within 1-2 weeks after the first reported infection and therefore have shown less deaths per capita than we show. Just imagine how many lives would have been saved if Trump had done the same thing here as in those countries if just starting 1 week earlier could have saved over 36,000 lives.

As I have stated many times before, Trump is incompetent and will end up causing us all more problems and deaths that some other president. Here is proof of this.

those rules were based off of the Governors

Also Trump reacted earlier than 9 weeks

Last, people didnt social distance even when it was enforced and got it, it isnt alll politics
 
those rules were based off of the Governors

Also Trump reacted earlier than 9 weeks

Last, people didnt social distance even when it was enforced and got it, it isnt alll politics


You are wrong about the 9 weeks. I have researched it in detail. It was 8 weeks and about 5 days to be exact.

This was not about the Governors given that it was the responsibility of the president to declare whether the pandemic was bad enough to order social distancing. The governor's could elect to follow it or not, but it is the president that had to order it first. Lastly, whether people social distance or not is not important as each individual is responsible for their own actions. Nonetheless, the idea is that such an order (or suggesting) had to come from the top in order for it to be official as a country. If the order had been given, then each governor would then be responsible for the actions in his state.
 
Absolutely because success isn't something you understand as we definitely need liberalism back in charge making more people dependent. The nanny state requires massive gov't intervention and scare tactics to steal freedoms. There is a reason the left is fighting Trump so hard, going to be a bloodbath for Democrats in November

Keep promoting the negativity and scare tactics while ignoring actual verifiable results

Here are some results for you - numbers - I know you believe in them

Over 38 million unemployed who use to have jobs. The unemployment is now the highest rate since the Great Depression of the Thirties.

Over 93,000 dead from the virus.

How do you like those facts?
 
You absolutely do when it comes to Democrats nor it is a whataboutism. Pelosi deliberately caused the delay you complain of by blocking all funding. Testing and buying tests isn't free - and for 8 days Pelosi blocked even $1 dollar for testing. In short, the OP is a lie. Pelosi, not Trump, caused the week's delay and she did it deliberately.

Tell that to the 36,000 corpses the Columbia study talked about today in the NY Times. Trump lost us six valuable weeks and thousands died.
 
Tell that to the 36,000 corpses the Columbia study talked about today in the NY Times. Trump lost us six valuable weeks and thousands died.
The president didn't lose 1 minute. The governors did. Tell that to the 36,000 corpses.
 
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