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Most Masks Useless

The idea of wearing masks is not to protect you from getting Covid-19, it is to prevent you from unknowingly spreading it to others if you are infected.

I've been told that 100 times, and have done it since the beginning of the pandemic.
 
Masks, face shields, gloves and other personal protective equipment are useless if an individual isn't educated, trained and practicing how to remove and dispose of the gear and proper hand hygiene. In my opinion, many civilians wearing protective equipment are only creating a false sense of security, as contaminated gear will spread the disease just as easily.
 
Masks, face shields, gloves and other personal protective equipment are useless if an individual isn't educated, trained and practicing how to remove and dispose of the gear and proper hand hygiene. In my opinion, many civilians wearing protective equipment are only creating a false sense of security, as contaminated gear will spread the disease just as easily.
Yeah, people used to say that about seat belt laws, too. They were wrong.

Dealing with masks is actually pretty easy. Make sure it covers your mouth and nose. If it's disposable, don't reuse it; if it's cloth, wash after each use. Wash your hands after removal. Not that difficult.

And again, because the primary goal is to prevent spreading possible viral particles to other people, really the key thing is just to make sure it covers your mouth and nose. Even easier!
 
Unless you're wearing an N95, N99, FFP1, or Surgical mask, according to these websites, you're wearing a placebo. To me, it seems to defy logic that a carbon filter or 3 layered cloth mask provides NO protection but that's what the experts say.

Your cloth mask actually becomes a moist, malodorous germ catcher. And N95's are one-use throwaways. WTF, you can't find them anyways or afford a year's supply.


PM 2.5 Vs N95 Vs N99: What's The Best Face Mask For Coronavirus - Terry Cralle

Coronavirus: wearing a cloth face mask is less about science and more about solidarity

Masks, face shields, gloves and other personal protective equipment are useless if an individual isn't educated, trained and practicing how to remove and dispose of the gear and proper hand hygiene. In my opinion, many civilians wearing protective equipment are only creating a false sense of security, as contaminated gear will spread the disease just as easily.

Your mask is not designed to protect you. It is there to protect me. Its my mask that serves to protect you. My mask inhibits the transmission of water droplets should I cough or sneeze. A recent study at the University of Hong Kong states that mask wearing drops virus transmission by 75%.

This is a community thing; we are all doing this to protect one another. Those that are not wearing masks are only displaying their selfishness and disregard for the well-being of others. The life you are saving by wearing a mask is that of your neighbor; maybe you are selfish dude and don't care about your neighbor.
 
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Your mask is not designed to protect you. It is there to protect me. Its my mask that serves to protect you. My mask inhibits the transmission of water droplets should I cough or sneeze. A recent study at the University of Hong Kong states that mask wearing drops virus transmission by 75%.

This is a community thing; we are all doing this to protect one another. Those that are not wearing masks are only displaying their selfishness and disregard for the well-being of others. The life you are saving by wearing a mask is that of your neighbor; maybe you are selfish dude and don't care about your neighbor.

You got it, I'm a selfish dude and don't care about my neighbor. :thumbs:

Though, I've probably wore a mask longer than you.
 
Yeah, people used to say that about seat belt laws, too. They were wrong.

Dealing with masks is actually pretty easy. Make sure it covers your mouth and nose. If it's disposable, don't reuse it; if it's cloth, wash after each use. Wash your hands after removal. Not that difficult.

And again, because the primary goal is to prevent spreading possible viral particles to other people, really the key thing is just to make sure it covers your mouth and nose. Even easier!

I understand the purpose of a mask; however, when I walk into a store and see the same cashier wearing the same mask .. it's not really serving its purpose. Especially when the individual touches the mask and makes contact with other surfaces in the store (e.g. cash, canned goods and shopping carts). Does it minimize the risk to spread the disease directly .. sure .. but its the indirect aspect that spreads the disease just as quickly ... aka false sense of security.
 
Your mask is not designed to protect you. It is there to protect me. Its my mask that serves to protect you. My mask inhibits the transmission of water droplets should I cough or sneeze. A recent study at the University of Hong Kong states that mask wearing drops virus transmission by 75%.

This is a community thing; we are all doing this to protect one another. Those that are not wearing masks are only displaying their selfishness and disregard for the well-being of others. The life you are saving by wearing a mask is that of your neighbor; maybe you are selfish dude and don't care about your neighbor.

I understand the purpose of the mask; however, a contaminated mask can spread the disease just as quickly through indirect contact, and I seriously doubt everyone wearing the mask is practicing hygiene guidelines and disposal. I'm not against wearing PPE at all .. it's just not going to be as effective as people imagine. Simple interactions at a grocery store like handling cash, credit cards, receipts, bagging groceries, restocking, meat preparation, etc. are not included in the equation of safety.
 
I understand the purpose of the mask; however, a contaminated mask can spread the disease just as quickly through indirect contact, and I seriously doubt everyone wearing the mask is practicing hygiene guidelines and disposal. I'm not against wearing PPE at all .. it's just not going to be as effective as people imagine. Simple interactions at a grocery store like handling cash, credit cards, receipts, bagging groceries, restocking, meat preparation, etc. are not included in the equation of safety.

I agree that masks and distancing offer probably less protection than people think but they definitely are added layers of direct protection, which is more significant than indirect. I've never gotten that close to people while shopping and the taped aisles aren't making any difference as fas as I can tell, maybe even worse in smaller spaced stores. Washing the hands, which many people did not do as often, is much more preventative. As soon as you get where you're going and have put away the purchased items, scrub up.

I was in a store the other day and this old man had no mask and was coughing up a lung. I was damn happy to have my mask on. ;)
 
You got it, I'm a selfish dude and don't care about my neighbor. :thumbs:

Though, I've probably wore a mask longer than you.

You probably have. I have generally avoided people. I hate wearing a mask. I just came from working out with my trainer. We worked outside so that I didn't have to wear mask. I will wear it if I will be within 6' feet of people, but I hate it. Its just a civic duty.

I understand the purpose of the mask; however, a contaminated mask can spread the disease just as quickly through indirect contact, and I seriously doubt everyone wearing the mask is practicing hygiene guidelines and disposal. I'm not against wearing PPE at all .. it's just not going to be as effective as people imagine. Simple interactions at a grocery store like handling cash, credit cards, receipts, bagging groceries, restocking, meat preparation, etc. are not included in the equation of safety.

A Univ of Hong Kong says it is cutting transmission by 75%. Although duly noted that we all could do better, you should take some solace in the notion that things don't have to be perfect to be effective.

Wearing a mask can significantly reduce coronavirus transmission: Study
 
While we all take our own risks, from what I have read, two layers of .3um non woven fabric,
gets close to the same effectiveness as a N95 mask.
One test of the fabric,is to see if it holds water, (I know this is a crude test, but it is easy).
Unfortunately, by the time you get a mask that is restricted enough, you have to increase the surface area to allow breathing through it.
 
He did not say you were incorrect he said "It appears the OP doesn't understand what masks are for."

No ****.

I understand. Do you?
 
While we all take our own risks, from what I have read, two layers of .3um non woven fabric,
gets close to the same effectiveness as a N95 mask.
One test of the fabric,is to see if it holds water, (I know this is a crude test, but it is easy).
Unfortunately, by the time you get a mask that is restricted enough, you have to increase the surface area to allow breathing through it.

I can barely suck wind thru my new 2.5 carbon filter mask. I can't imagine breathing thru a more restrictive one.
 
I agree that masks and distancing offer probably less protection than people think but they definitely are added layers of direct protection, which is more significant than indirect. I've never gotten that close to people while shopping and the taped aisles aren't making any difference as fas as I can tell, maybe even worse in smaller spaced stores. Washing the hands, which many people did not do as often, is much more preventative. As soon as you get where you're going and have put away the purchased items, scrub up.

I was in a store the other day and this old man had no mask and was coughing up a lung. I was damn happy to have my mask on. ;)

I saw a lady wearing a mask that was crocheted with very large loops .. literally the size of dimes.
 
I can barely suck wind thru my new 2.5 carbon filter mask. I can't imagine breathing thru a more restrictive one.
I think vapor masks, for like painting, with the screw in filter disks, are actually better than N-95 masks.
 
I saw a lady wearing a mask that was crocheted with very large loops .. literally the size of dimes.
I think a safe rule of thumb would be that if it does not stop mosquitoes, it likely does not stop Covid-19!!:mrgreen:
 
I saw a lady wearing a mask that was crocheted with very large loops .. literally the size of dimes.

That's sillier than my last mask, which was a cut out from an old t-shirt, bandana style. I looked like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. And no matter how much I washed it, it stunk, which makes me suspect my breath. :lol:
 
I think vapor masks, for like painting, with the screw in filter disks, are actually better than N-95 masks.

Well, if the cloth ones block 75% of transmitting particles, then that's good enough for me. Like everyone keeps repeating at me in this thread, we wear them for other's sake.
 
The majority of masks provide a false sense of security at best.

If you walk around wearing a mask, all it does is demonstrate that you're going along with the panic mongers of the world. If certain establishments require mask-wearing it shows compliance if you do so, but there's no guarantee that viruses will be filtered by these masks.

During the 1918 flu outbreak, masks were required but they didn't help. It was said shortly thereafter that wearing an average mask was like trying to keep out dust with chicken wire. Here it is 2020 and we're using the same outdated tactics as 100 years ago. Unbelievable!
 
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