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The murderous pseudoscience of "herd immunity"

Phys251

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The murderous pseudoscience of “herd immunity” - World Socialist Web Site

Sweden's wildly irresponsible policies have given ammunition to the far right internationally, which has used it as an example for arguing for a premature reopening of businesses and schools.
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Countries that have invested in testing, quarantining and contact tracing, in line with the prescriptions of the WHO, have brought the daily number of new cases into the single or double digits. South Korea, an early center of the outbreak, has had only 260 people die. China, the country in which the disease originated, has a death rate that is nearly 100 times lower than the United States. Malaysia has seen similarly low numbers.

By contrast, the disastrous toll of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, which has five times more cases than any other country, is directly related to the fact that the United States failed to conduct any widespread testing of its population for months, as indicated by the testimony Thursday of ousted health official Dr. Rick Bright.
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In accordance with the "brutal economics" of capitalism, the lives lost to the COVID-19 pandemic are simply the cost of doing business. While trillions of dollars have been spent propping up financial markets, no serious efforts have been made to contain the pandemic, and whatever mitigation measures have been put in place, including the closure of businesses, are being rapidly abandoned.
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At what point do we start acknowledging the comparisons between the far-right's push for "herd immunity" and the far-right's desire for literal genocide? A lot of people would die a horrible death if their plan were to go through. But in this day and age, I cannot rule out that they are pushing for reopening not in spite of the fact that it could lead to genocide, but because it could lead it to genocide.

See, the most extreme of the far-right has given into an extremist concept called accelerationism. Put simply, it claims that the West is struggling to survive and that a critical mass of terrorists (it's time to start calling them that) should help push it over. If you think I'm joking about this stuff, yeah, you haven't seen the **** that's coming from the land of the far-right these days. Thanos is their hero, a model for them to follow. What better way to instigate a genocide than a literal pandemic?

Not everyone who desires a premature reopening supports genocide. But the undercurrent definitely exists. People who support premature reopening need to take a step back and recognize what they are really enabling.
 
Phys251 said:
At what point do we start acknowledging the comparisons between the far-right's push for "herd immunity" and the far-right's desire for literal genocide? A lot of people would die a horrible death if their plan were to go through. But in this day and age, I cannot rule out that they are pushing for reopening not in spite of the fact that it could lead to genocide, but because it could lead it to genocide.
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??? Any evidence for that?
 
Phys251 said:
Evidence for what? The accelerationists' desire to exploit the coronavirus pandemic?

Here's a starter's guide.
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No. Evidence that the "far-right" wants to reopen economies as a way of committing genocide.
 
JMaximus said:
No. Evidence that the "far-right" wants to reopen economies as a way of committing genocide.
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Let's be clear that I am not talking about your garden-variety Trump supporter. They're not there...yet.

But for the worst of the far-right extremists? Oh yeah, they are there. Read that Guardian article. It lays out the case.
 
LOL world socialist website? Of course they hate herd immunity, the socialists want everybody to stay locked down until capitalism is destroyed.
 
PoS said:
LOL world socialist website? Of course they hate herd immunity, the socialists want everybody to stay locked down until capitalism is destroyed.
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lol, yeah, that's it

Trumpism, the ultimate plague
 
PoS said:
LOL world socialist website? Of course they hate herd immunity, the socialists want everybody to stay locked down until capitalism is destroyed.
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You didn't falsify the OP. Try again. :)
 
Whoa! Herd immunity is bull****, now? Herd immunity is the argument that "vaccines should be mandated by law, so shut up and take it" folks have been using to try and force people to get vaccinated. Y'all were lying all this time?
 
grown ass men and women simply can't be decent humans to save families from losing their grandparents and parents.

what kind of religion is that??
 
CaughtInThe said:
grown ass men and women simply can't be decent humans to save families from losing their grandparents and parents.

what kind of religion is that??
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When religions tell you you'll be rewarded for being an awful person, it encourages that behavior. 70 virgins and whatever other rewards a sky fairy will bestow if you do the non decent thing.
 
Herd immunity is real. The problem is that to obtain natural herd immunity (i.e. not by vaccines) requires a significant number of people getting sick and dying. Given how contagious coronavirus is, it is estimated that between 1/2 to 2/3 of the population would need to be immune for there to be herd immunity. So relying on natural herd immunity is not a great choice given how severe this illness can be.
 
Lakryte said:
Herd immunity is real. The problem is that to obtain natural herd immunity (i.e. not by vaccines) requires a significant number of people getting sick and dying. Given how contagious coronavirus is, it is estimated that between 1/2 to 2/3 of the population would need to be immune for there to be herd immunity. So relying on natural herd immunity is not a great choice given how severe this illness can be.
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If herd immunity is inevitable, then won't the death rates be inescapable?
 
noonereal said:
lol, yeah, that's it

Trumpism, the ultimate plague
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The only ones practicing herd immunity now are the Swedes, so youre calling them Trumpists? What a moronic thing to say.
 
grip said:
If herd immunity is inevitable, then won't the death rates be inescapable?
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Considering that there are zero vaccines for coroneaviruses, it is a real possibility.
 
Lakryte said:
That herd immunity is real doesn't mean or imply that it is inevitable.
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You said it was real in the context that it will happen. Don't start being dishonest now.
 
Metric Mouse said:
Considering that there are zero vaccines for coroneaviruses, it is a real possibility.
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It's likely that a second wave will globally infect 30-40%. It would probably take 2-3 seasons to reach herd immunity with all the preventative measures. Then there's no telling if people will build enough antibodies or that a vaccine will be 100% effective.
 
Phys251 said:
The murderous pseudoscience of “herd immunity” - World Socialist Web Site







At what point do we start acknowledging the comparisons between the far-right's push for "herd immunity" and the far-right's desire for literal genocide? A lot of people would die a horrible death if their plan were to go through. But in this day and age, I cannot rule out that they are pushing for reopening not in spite of the fact that it could lead to genocide, but because it could lead it to genocide.

See, the most extreme of the far-right has given into an extremist concept called accelerationism. Put simply, it claims that the West is struggling to survive and that a critical mass of terrorists (it's time to start calling them that) should help push it over. If you think I'm joking about this stuff, yeah, you haven't seen the **** that's coming from the land of the far-right these days. Thanos is their hero, a model for them to follow. What better way to instigate a genocide than a literal pandemic?

Not everyone who desires a premature reopening supports genocide. But the undercurrent definitely exists. People who support premature reopening need to take a step back and recognize what they are really enabling.
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Another progressive desperate to promote Xi Jinping and banning the press and free speech as most progressives demand an absolute totalitarian police state government . That's why he believes everything Xi Jinping says. As a lifetime totalitarian who bans the press, bans investigating the Wuhan biological warfare virus lab, and imprisons (or kills) anyone who contradicts what China's central government, Phys claims this is reason to believe China's government's claims.

Of course, he leaves out that China NEVER did a nationwide lockdown and ended its lockdown many weeks ago in the few areas it did. So, in perfect hypocrisy as is standard practice of most progressives, he brags about China while ranting against the USA doing the same thing now. The bottomline is his declaring his love of a totalitarian police state and hatred of the United States because it isn't one.
 
Lakryte said:
No I didn't.
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Shame, shame for telling a mistruth. See, I'm in your mind like you are in mine and we know what each other is thinking, right?
 
grip said:
It's likely that a second wave will globally infect 30-40%. It would probably take 2-3 seasons to reach herd immunity with all the preventative measures. Then there's no telling if people will build enough antibodies or that a vaccine will be 100% effective.
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Absolutely. People thought 60 or 100k people would die in the USA... sadly it's likely many times that many will die.
 
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