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Plan to study nicotine patches as potential coronavirus treatment

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Plan to study nicotine patches as potential coronavirus treatment | World news | The Guardian

Doctors in Wales could stage trial after suggestion smokers may be less at risk of Covid-19

Plans are being made to investigate the potential of nicotine patches to combat Covid-19 after the idea was raised by doctors at a hospital in Wales where the improvised treatment is being practised.

France moved last week to prevent the stockpiling of nicotine products after its health minister took an interest in a French study that suggested smokers may be much less at risk of contracting the virus.

However, doctors in Wales who published their own suggestions in January on the use of the stimulants in coronavirus treatment have been discussing the possibility of a formal trial.

“We saw the pandemic coming from China and then the horrific stories from Italy, so we were doing our own research and looking at as many papers as we could,” said Jonathan Davies, a consultant trauma surgeon at Royal Glamorgan hospital, where physicians have been routinely giving out nicotine patches to patients with coronavirus and who had been smokers.
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Interesting. What would concern me is panic buying & hoarding of the nicotine patches & gum, perhaps even cigs themselves.

Many Americans automatically over indulge. I can see people covered from their faces to the soles of their feet with patches. If one is good, twenty will be better?
 
JacksinPA said:
Plan to study nicotine patches as potential coronavirus treatment | World news | The Guardian

Doctors in Wales could stage trial after suggestion smokers may be less at risk of Covid-19

Plans are being made to investigate the potential of nicotine patches to combat Covid-19 after the idea was raised by doctors at a hospital in Wales where the improvised treatment is being practised.

France moved last week to prevent the stockpiling of nicotine products after its health minister took an interest in a French study that suggested smokers may be much less at risk of contracting the virus.

However, doctors in Wales who published their own suggestions in January on the use of the stimulants in coronavirus treatment have been discussing the possibility of a formal trial.

“We saw the pandemic coming from China and then the horrific stories from Italy, so we were doing our own research and looking at as many papers as we could,” said Jonathan Davies, a consultant trauma surgeon at Royal Glamorgan hospital, where physicians have been routinely giving out nicotine patches to patients with coronavirus and who had been smokers.
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Interesting. What would concern me is panic buying & hoarding of the nicotine patches & gum, perhaps even cigs themselves.

Many Americans automatically over indulge. I can see people covered from their faces to the soles of their feet with patches. If one is good, twenty will be better?
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Hum. Don't smokers have lung damage from smoking? Isn't that what everyone has told us?...and Covid affects the lungs.

OK. Gotcha. I read The rest of your post and the proposed study. The study isn't to protect those most susceptible to Covid (smokers are, IMO), the study is, rather, to determine how to not be infected with Covid. How will Nicotine prevent one from not getting Covid?

I wouldn't want to be a Guinea Pig smoker and take part in the test of nicotine against contracting Covid.:roll:
 
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cabse5 said:
Hum. Don't smokers have lung damage from smoking?...and Covid affects the lungs. Isn't that what everyone has told us?
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Yes, but short sighted people may take up smoking in order to get the protective (?) nicotine if they can't get the patches or gum.
 
cabse5 said:
Hum. Don't smokers have lung damage from smoking?...and Covid affects the lungs. Isn't that what everyone has told us?
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Yeah this doesn't jive with anything I am aware of at all.
As a lifetime evil smoker, my own experience with the virus was life threatening. I am lucky to be here.
And yes, I had quit, just as I had quit many times, and yes I was not actively smoking at the time I got the virus but it doesn't matter because I already had COPD.

I think the Welsh may have lost their damn minds.
 
JacksinPA said:
Plan to study nicotine patches as potential coronavirus treatment | World news | The Guardian

Doctors in Wales could stage trial after suggestion smokers may be less at risk of Covid-19

Plans are being made to investigate the potential of nicotine patches to combat Covid-19 after the idea was raised by doctors at a hospital in Wales where the improvised treatment is being practised.

France moved last week to prevent the stockpiling of nicotine products after its health minister took an interest in a French study that suggested smokers may be much less at risk of contracting the virus.

However, doctors in Wales who published their own suggestions in January on the use of the stimulants in coronavirus treatment have been discussing the possibility of a formal trial.

“We saw the pandemic coming from China and then the horrific stories from Italy, so we were doing our own research and looking at as many papers as we could,” said Jonathan Davies, a consultant trauma surgeon at Royal Glamorgan hospital, where physicians have been routinely giving out nicotine patches to patients with coronavirus and who had been smokers.
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Interesting. What would concern me is panic buying & hoarding of the nicotine patches & gum, perhaps even cigs themselves.

Many Americans automatically over indulge. I can see people covered from their faces to the soles of their feet with patches. If one is good, twenty will be better?
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It is more likely that the gunk in smoker's lungs is what helps to inhibit the COVID-19 virus rather than the nicotine in their blood.
 
i hope that there's not a run on nicotine gum. i need it to treat UC, which is often a disease of ex-smokers. quitting smoking was one of the best decisions that i've made, but i got a really bad case of UC afterwards and was maxing out on steroids, which sucks. the gum helped my other medicine to work, and i have been mostly in remission for more than a decade now. i found the connection on PubMed, gave it a shot, and it worked. could be placebo, but i don't care if it is.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is more likely that the gunk in smoker's lungs is what helps to inhibit the COVID-19 virus rather than the nicotine in their blood.
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I've studied the coronavirus family & its biology for 2 months & I can't see where nicotine would have any benefit during an infection.
 
You'd better have a ton of money if you're going to hoard patches and gum.
 
I will hazard a guess that it is the damaged lungs from smoking that is protecting smokers from Covid 19. The damage is stopping the virus from.getting deep into the lungs
That is if smokers are at less risk
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I will hazard a guess that it is the damaged lungs from smoking that is protecting smokers from Covid 19. The damage is stopping the virus from.getting deep into the lungs
That is if smokers are at less risk
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Lovebug said:
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The OP suggests smokers are at lower risk of Covid 19

Some are investigating the potential for nicotine as the reason.

I suspect that damage from smoking is the reason. The damage from smoking is blocking the virUS from getting deep into people's lungs. My theory and nothing to back it up
 
JacksinPA said:
Interesting. What would concern me is panic buying & hoarding of the nicotine patches & gum, perhaps even cigs themselves.

Many Americans automatically over indulge. I can see people covered from their faces to the soles of their feet with patches. If one is good, twenty will be better?
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when I first read of the French study, I went and bought some nicotine gum. Nicotine may prevent the virus from attaching to cells and it may prevent the "cytokine storm" if you get it. As I said in another post "who cares if it works". I am loving the gum (I'm a very casual smoker. hadn't smoked since jan.)
 
Can you get addicted to nicotine by using patches?
 
d0gbreath said:
You'd better have a ton of money if you're going to hoard patches and gum.
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That's true. Amazing the price they can charge for 100 pieces of gum with a few pennies of nicotine per piece.

I'm wondering why we haven't seen more stories about the potential preventative effects of vaping, actually.

THE BACTERICIDAL ACTION OF PROPYLENE GLYCOL VAPOR ON MICROORGANISMS SUSPENDED IN AIR. I

It has been found that propylene glycol vapor dispersed into the air of an enclosed space produces a marked and rapid bactericidal effect on microorganisms introduced into such an atmosphere in droplet form. Concentrations of 1 gm. of propylene glycol vapor in two to four million cc. of air produced immediate and complete sterilization of air into which pneumococci, streptococci, staphylococci, H. influenzae, and other microorganisms as well as influenza virus had been sprayed. With lesser concentrations of propylene glycol, rapid and marked reduction in the number of air-borne bacteria occurred, but complete sterilization of the air required a certain interval of time. Pronounced effects on both pneumococci and hemolytic streptococci were observed when concentrations as low as 1 gm. of glycol to fifty million cc. of air were employed.
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
~ I think the Welsh may have lost their damn minds.
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I think everything including the kitchen sink is being thrown at this virus in the hope something works.

Wales was also the place where the theory of mouthwash being helpful in killing the virus in the throat but to be fair to Wales, the original source of the nicotine rumour comes from a French study.

Poor WHO must spend as much time fighting off quack solutions as they do helping 3rd world countries deal with the virus. At least in Africa and the Pacific / Oceania they have been successful.
 
JacksinPA said:
Plan to study nicotine patches as potential coronavirus treatment | World news | The Guardian

Doctors in Wales could stage trial after suggestion smokers may be less at risk of Covid-19

Plans are being made to investigate the potential of nicotine patches to combat Covid-19 after the idea was raised by doctors at a hospital in Wales where the improvised treatment is being practised.

France moved last week to prevent the stockpiling of nicotine products after its health minister took an interest in a French study that suggested smokers may be much less at risk of contracting the virus.

However, doctors in Wales who published their own suggestions in January on the use of the stimulants in coronavirus treatment have been discussing the possibility of a formal trial.

“We saw the pandemic coming from China and then the horrific stories from Italy, so we were doing our own research and looking at as many papers as we could,” said Jonathan Davies, a consultant trauma surgeon at Royal Glamorgan hospital, where physicians have been routinely giving out nicotine patches to patients with coronavirus and who had been smokers.
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Interesting. What would concern me is panic buying & hoarding of the nicotine patches & gum, perhaps even cigs themselves.

Many Americans automatically over indulge. I can see people covered from their faces to the soles of their feet with patches. If one is good, twenty will be better?
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Bizarre, especially when smokers were considered as being especially vulnerable.

Smoking probably puts you at greater risk of coronavirus, not less | New Scientist
 
I also heard this theory from another study. (Preference: They said they don't condone going out and starting to smoke.)

Some biologists talk about a Chinese study that says, 1 in 2 Chinese men are smokers in China. They found that for those hospitalized in China, far less were smokers than that in the general population. They also think smoking might be either a preventative or treatment and looking into it.
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This could be that they are dying before they even get to the hospital, but unlikely they say. Smoking is a mixed bag because you can get some preventive components from smoking. Of course, you can also get a lot of bad outcomes from smoking.

In cases of Parkinson's disease it has some sort of positive effect, we know that. But they don't suggest smoking for Parkinson's disease.

They say also that if you have damage from smoking, that may outweigh the benefits of its preventive properties on COVID. So if your lungs are already fried, then you are more likely to have a negative effect from anything involving the lungs. But if not they are definitely looking into its preventative properties.

And again, nobody is suggesting you pick up a smoking habit if you don't smoke. But, if you do, well maybe there is a tiny silver lining during COVID 19. It hasn't been long enough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that any of it is true, so time will tell.
 
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holbritter said:
That would be freaking hysterical if vaping could protect against the virus. The anti-vape people would **** their pants! :lamo
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Full disclosure, I got off tobacco by vaping and still do, although I'm doing that less and less. But it's frustrating that in so many articles it's lumped in with smoking tobacco - "smoking and vaping...." as if they're the same thing. I'd seen that study and a Google search for possible "benefits" of vaping only produced results of theoretical harm, backed by nothing, with no mention that PG kills virus and bacteria very efficiently in vapor form. So I had to do a search of "proplyene glycol" and anti-bacterial to find that link.

:roll:
 
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