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Trump's desperate hours: He was contemptuous of the virus — now it has him trapped

Lord Tammerlain said:
Then how many people died from SARS?

As for the shutdown Trump has a great back up for it. Almost all of of Europe shut down before the US. China shut down as well. Very few countries did not. Trump will have models and studies saying if he didn't then multiple times more people would have died.

Trump has one issue he shares with Europe and Canada. They did pretty much nothing for over 1 month. Time that could have been spent preparing for the virus and what to do when it became an issue.

Trump has another issue he shares with Boris Johnson, poor messaging regarding the virus. Changing day to day and not taking it seriously
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You may enjoy this. YouTube
 
captaintrips said:
He says; "Watch the sillies start going to Trump rallies and end up losing hundreds from the plague in each event."

The plague :roll:

Trump is; '..a godless con man and Russian dupe .."
These types say we're in a cult LOL
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Trump Determined Supporters are a cult, indeed, despised by the great majority of Americans.

The Trump Aberration ends 20 January 2021 with his eviction from office and indictment the next day.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Trump Determined Supporters are a cult, indeed, despised by the great majority of Americans.
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Incorrect on both. There is no cult and everybody doesn't hate the president.

jamesbyoung said:
The Trump Aberration ends 20 January 2021 with his eviction from office and indictment the next day.
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Maybe, maybe not. Clearly this is your fantasy, and that's fine. But it's a fantasy that may or may not happen.. you'll have to wait & see :)
 
captaintrips said:
Incorrect on both. There is no cult and everybody doesn't hate the president. Maybe, maybe not. Clearly this is your fantasy, and that's fine. But it's a fantasy that may or may not happen.. you'll have to wait & see :)
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Yes, there is a Trump cult of several million at least; yes, he will lose the election; and, yes, you are going to be very unhappy.
 
jamesbyoung said:
Yes, there is a Trump cult of several million at least; yes, he will lose the election; and, yes, you are going to be very unhappy.
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It's a fact - you know nothing of the future.

It's a fact - you know nothing about what will & will not make me happy or unhappy.

It's a fact - There's no cult related to the current president.

It's a fact - You're a desperate fool writing nonsense.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
"In a way, by doing all this testing we make ourselves look bad," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

To Trump, knowing you have a case which, of course, allows people to get proper treatment, and to isolate themselves so they don't infect others, has no positive value, at least not for him anyway.
It's just bad optics.

So it's safe to say that Trump does not CARE about saving lives, or even about treating the disease.
He ONLY CARES about what makes him "look good" or "look bad", and beyond that, nothing else matters.
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If you would use your head, you would know Trump is right about that. And your analysis is just mindless Trump hate.
 
Mongidig said:
That happens when you are an Entrepreneur and own over 500 businesses.
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No, it don't.. There's lot of Entrepreneurs who ran Charities, and 'Universities' that weren't proven to be cons were shut down and fined.

And owned 5 Star Hotels and casinos that didn't go bankrupted..

He's a conman and not a good businessman.
 
Sage077 said:
How quickly the Trumpians forget about the number of lawsuits that Trump has had due to abuse of females. How about his ***** gabbing comments.?? That goes right to the core of the man. Trumpians have different standards for themselves and others........or so it seems.
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Then there's the theft (documented and proven), fraud (documented and proven), racism (documented and proven), as well as the absurdly transparent lies and crass ignorance. And yet his supporters appear to accept all those 'qualities' gleefully as if they were of no significance whatsoever in someone purporting to be a world leader.
In three short years Trump has managed to insult, demean and alienate long-standing friends and allies of America, destroyed any remaining traces of trust and affection in a nation once held in high regard, and created a laughing stock of that country under his woefully inept attempt at 'leadership' in which he has failed spectacularly. Smfh.
 
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Yes, there is a Trump cult of several million at least; yes, he will lose the election; and, yes, you are going to be very unhappy.

captaintrips said:
It's a fact - you know nothing of the future.

It's a fact - you know nothing about what will & will not make me happy or unhappy.

It's a fact - There's no cult related to the current president.

It's a fact - You're a desperate fool writing nonsense.
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The future can be evaluated based on empirical data, knowledge, trending, etc. You simply do not want to look at the real.

It's obvious a Trump victory will make you happy.

Yes, Trump's cult is obvious, and he is the cult leader.

You consider what you believe as true and the rest is nonsense.
 
jamesbyoung said:
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Yes, there is a Trump cult of several million at least; yes, he will lose the election; and, yes, you are going to be very unhappy.



The future can be evaluated based on empirical data, knowledge, trending, etc. You simply do not want to look at the real.

It's obvious a Trump victory will make you happy.

Yes, Trump's cult is obvious, and he is the cult leader.

You consider what you believe as true and the rest is nonsense.
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You consider what you believe as true and the rest is nonsense.
 
Sage077 said:
Well stated. It is a fascinating dynamic. Yes.it does seem like they have been conditioned to believe as you describe.........and that makes them susceptible for a more authoritarian type of leadership.........which is what they have now.
This is how it can creep in. Hatred and fear of the "threat"...(dems)....Build on that...... One can hardly recognize the US
now.......as it is with the Trump stamp on it..........
IF he is reelected after his bungling of so many situations ....including this big one....... then there is little hope as the population has been brainwashed into following something that goes against the founding principles. It is astounding to observe this process in live time and space.,,,,,,,,and concerning.
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I have a feeling that the power of those uneducated Trump supporters was unduly magnified in 2016 only by the apathy of everyone else. Hillary didn't energize Democrats and Independents to vote; many assumed her win was a foregone conclusion and didn't bother voting. And those that did often voted for Bernie or other third party candidates and those votes ended up going to Trump in states where Hillary lost. This allowed a galvanized minority of Republicans to swing the election their way.

This problem won't exist in 2020. As an underdog, Trump galvanized Republicans in his favor in 2016. As a poorly performing incumbent, he will galvanize Democrats and Independents against him in 2020. That's my prediction anyway.
 
Bullseye said:
Salon, eh?
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Everyone already knows you believe there are zero valid criticisms of Trump.

Trump tells no lies and understands everything

Trump is even right when Trump tries to be sarcastic and say things everyone knows are wrong.
 
I don’t really care.

Trump is no longer relevant at this point.

He removed himself the day he told the world, “Frankly no. I take no responsibility at all”.

And he has stuck to that, repeating variations of it every once in a while.
 
lwf said:
I have a feeling that the power of those uneducated Trump supporters was unduly magnified in 2016 only by the apathy of everyone else. Hillary didn't energize Democrats and Independents to vote; many assumed her win was a foregone conclusion and didn't bother voting. And those that did often voted for Bernie or other third party candidates and those votes ended up going to Trump in states where Hillary lost. This allowed a galvanized minority of Republicans to swing the election their way.
This problem won't exist in 2020. As an underdog, Trump galvanized Republicans in his favor in 2016. As a poorly performing incumbent, he will galvanize Democrats and Independents against him in 2020. That's my prediction anyway.
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Biden isn't very energizing
But Trump is

We were one of the best ranked countries for dealing with a pandemic
Yesterday,
we rank 218 out of 229 for covid cases per capita
we rank 216 out of 219 for covid deaths per capita

When tf did America start lagging the pack?

Many of us grew up taking America's greatness for granted
These numbers are not great numbers

There's nothing on the horizon which looks like it will improve these numbers
Removing lockdowns and poo-pooing social distancing will NOT make the rate of infection get smaller

Buckle up, you ****ers.
We're riding this **** full throttle to dystopia

Trump will win in 2020
But we'll be done with him before he's sworn in
 
TomFitz said:
I don’t really care.
Trump is no longer relevant at this point.
He removed himself the day he told the world, “Frankly no. I take no responsibility at all”.
And he has stuck to that, repeating variations of it every once in a while.
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'fonly
Trumpco's virulent messaging about poo-pooing social distancing, poo-pooing covid-19, and other plague avoidance measures, etc. is imminently and profoundly relevant to our situation.
Consider how few asymptomatic people it takes to spread contagion
 
lwf said:
I have a feeling that the power of those uneducated Trump supporters was unduly magnified in 2016 only by the apathy of everyone else. Hillary didn't energize Democrats and Independents to vote; many assumed her win was a foregone conclusion and didn't bother voting. And those that did often voted for Bernie or other third party candidates and those votes ended up going to Trump in states where Hillary lost. This allowed a galvanized minority of Republicans to swing the election their way.

This problem won't exist in 2020. As an underdog, Trump galvanized Republicans in his favor in 2016. As a poorly performing incumbent, he will galvanize Democrats and Independents against him in 2020. That's my prediction anyway.
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There is a great deal of truth to that. Hillary Clinton was never everyone’s enthusiastic choice. But the assumption that she would easily best the clown from reality TV was also rampant.

Trump had no money, and he certainly wasn’t going to put a dime of his own money out.

But he had friends in low places.

And he had been a front man for Russian money launderers for decades.

The Russians launched their comprehensive disinformation campaign after 2012. It was well oiled and well along before Trump rode the esculator.

It isn’t a coincidence that Cambridge Analytica abruptly disappeared within a week or two after their contributions to the Trump campaign became known. Especially after we learned about the clandestine effort they engaged in to fool gullible social media users into unknowingly give then the access to their info and contacts. This was the way the Trump campaign built its data base for getting out the crazies in 2016.

It remains in full operation. I have little doubt that most of the people working for Cambridge Analytica in 2016, are still doing so. Only now, they are diffused among a group of secretive private companies. I expect that many of these companies are outside the US. Thanks to McConnell and Trump, no laws have been enacted to regulate, control or forestall this kind of influence.

And anyone who spends more than a few minutes on a forum like this can easily see how easy it is for these anonymous “sources” to pander to and attract the reactionaries, the bigots and the angry old white crowd that makes up Trump nations. They eat anonymous fake news like catnip.
 
captaintrips said:
It's a fact - There's no cult related to the current president.
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There is such a cult.

One of the simpler diagnostic criteria is the subject's reply to the question, "Has Trump lied to America since he's been in office?"

If the subject is unable to answer a plain, "Yes," the subject is a member of the cult,
If the subject starts talking about how Trump describes some deeper truth by saying things which are not factually accurate,
Or if the subject just outright believes Trump has only said factually accurate things,
then that person has rejected objective reality.
That person has delusions.

A group of people who share delusions about a charismatic leader is properly called a cult.
 
TomFitz said:
There is a great deal of truth to that. Hillary Clinton was never everyone’s enthusiastic choice. But the assumption that she would easily best the clown from reality TV was also rampant.

Trump had no money, and he certainly wasn’t going to put a dime of his own money out.

But he had friends in low places.

And he had been a front man for Russian money launderers for decades.

The Russians launched their comprehensive disinformation campaign after 2012. It was well oiled and well along before Trump rode the esculator.

It isn’t a coincidence that Cambridge Analytica abruptly disappeared within a week or two after their contributions to the Trump campaign became known. Especially after we learned about the clandestine effort they engaged in to fool gullible social media users into unknowingly give then the access to their info and contacts. This was the way the Trump campaign built its data base for getting out the crazies in 2016.

It remains in full operation. I have little doubt that most of the people working for Cambridge Analytica in 2016, are still doing so. Only now, they are diffused among a group of secretive private companies. I expect that many of these companies are outside the US. Thanks to McConnell and Trump, no laws have been enacted to regulate, control or forestall this kind of influence.

And anyone who spends more than a few minutes on a forum like this can easily see how easy it is for these anonymous “sources” to pander to and attract the reactionaries, the bigots and the angry old white crowd that makes up Trump nations. They eat anonymous fake news like catnip.
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And it wasn't lost on Republican strategists that 40-50% of the GOP base believed Trump's birther lies that Obama was not born in America so he shouldn't be president.

Trump and those strategists knew exactly what to do and exactly what that meant.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
And it wasn't lost on Republican strategists that 40-50% of the GOP base believed Trump's birther lies that Obama was not born in America so he shouldn't be president.

Trump and those strategists knew exactly what to do and exactly what that meant.
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And that IS the true core of Trumpism.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
'fonly
Trumpco's virulent messaging about poo-pooing social distancing, poo-pooing covid-19, and other plague avoidance measures, etc. is imminently and profoundly relevant to our situation.
Consider how few asymptomatic people it takes to spread contagion
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Trump is irrelevant as a President or any kind of a leader.

You are correct, in that the noisy shrinking minority of angry old white folk still take their lead from him.

But the rest of the country is not paying attention to his juvenile rantings, self congratulation, and made up nonsense.

In Trumpster world, this is all still real. And there is a media bubble for these folks to live in.

But in the absence of any real national leadership, people are looking toward what is going on in the various states, to draw conclusions from.

No one takes anything Trump says seriously, except to the extent that he can still intimidate people in his inner circle, or in the GOP leadership.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Everyone already knows you believe there are zero valid criticisms of Trump.

Trump tells no lies and understands everything

Trump is even right when Trump tries to be sarcastic and say things everyone knows are wrong.
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Total bull****, Simon; your most prodigious product. Trump has many faults, as all humans do, just a couple of orders of magnitude fewer than you guys think.
 
TomFitz said:
Trump is irrelevant as a President or any kind of a leader.
You are correct, in that the noisy shrinking minority of angry old white folk still take their lead from him.
But the rest of the country is not paying attention to his juvenile rantings, self congratulation, and made up nonsense.
In Trumpster world, this is all still real. And there is a media bubble for these folks to live in.
But in the absence of any real national leadership, people are looking toward what is going on in the various states, to draw conclusions from.
No one takes anything Trump says seriously, except to the extent that he can still intimidate people in his inner circle, or in the GOP leadership.
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Fair enough.
Context matters.
You're probably right that "serious people" don't take Trump seriously.

Still, Nick Berg offers us a lesson that some people take the party line bull**** deadly seriously.
Some of those folks may have Peter Principled their way into significant places of public trust.


This is another one of those times where I hope tf I'm wrong.
 
Bullseye said:
Total bull****, Simon; your most prodigious product. Trump has many faults, as all humans do, just a couple of orders of magnitude fewer than you guys think.
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My mistake.
I apologize.

It's likely I was confused and conflated you with another poster.

What're some lies Trump has told us since he's been in office?
 
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