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It Is Not Your Constitutional Right To Not Wear A Mask

Wayne Jr said:
Let me know when auto accidents are contagious and I'll answer your question :)

You had argued: "...but below age 65 the highest-risk categories are teenagers and young adults." That is not true. Below age 65 the highest risk category is 55. Below that, 45. Etc. The CDC data shows a direct correlation between age and health risk.
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Actually , I did not not argue that “below age 65 the highest-risk categories are teenagers and young adults.”

That quote was from the Bloomberg article I posted.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
Let me know when auto accidents are contagious and I'll answer your question :)

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Measles are contagious.

I may recommend a measles vaccination if one does not want to get measles am I lying or am just spreading fear?
 
Wayne Jr said:
Covid-19 is not America's #1heath issue. Take obesity for example, 300,000 deaths every year, not a single thing done about it. No death counters in the media, no 24 news cycles with "experts", no special forums on DP, no nothing.

Covid-19 is less important than obesity so until we make the same stink about obesity, covid-19 is a non-issue.
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Something does not have to be the #1 health issue to be serious and a cause for concern. And obesity is not contagious, so not a great example. It is amazing to me that as we near 100,000 people dead from COVID-19 in just a few months, you still would rather pretend it is a non-issue. By the way, absent intervention, 2 million dead (the number you claim to know so well) is more than 300,000 dead from obesity.

And there have been efforts to combat obesity, i.e. providing only healthy lunches at schools rather than obesity-causing garbage (see Michelle Obama's healthy schools initiative). But you are right, Trump doesn't take obesity seriously either, and would rather scrap that initiative.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The thing I call 'fear-mongering' is implying that everyone is at the same risk. Covid-19 is only a major problem for people over 75, and people over 75 only compose 4.4% of the US population. Presenting covid-19 as a big problem for the general population is "fear-mongering'. The world, in general, is actually pretty safe for healthy adults. Failing to note age demographics in fatality numbers is to have your head in the sand.

Myself, for example, I am in my early 40s. My demographic makes up 20% of the total US population and only 3.7% of total covid-19 fatalities. Trying to use big numbers to scare people is nothing but fear-mongering.
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everyone is at the same risk of being a CARRIER, which is a threat to others. If that's fear-mongering the fear would be of infecting someone near you; but we all know you are too inhumane to fear that
 
Wayne Jr said:
The masks we were using didn't prevent infecting others in the first place; the N95 masks with a valve. Of the 3 older guys I work around, 1 doesn't wear a mask and 2 never wear them properly, so it doesn't seem they care as much as you want others to believe you do.
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you're not supposed to use the N95 with a valve.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I read the whole thing before I posted it, why?

Masks aren't a big deal. Washing your hands, not touching your face, covering coughs and sneezes, social distancing...those are important. Cloth masks are not important, so refusing to wear one doesn't make me a villain :)
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You just contradicted yourself: "covering coughs and sneezes" is important. That's what masks do. Have you tried my experiment? Put on a mask and try to blow out a candle. You can even try spitting on it.

When you do this, you can reconsider whether you are a villain or not.
 
ldsrptcvt said:
everyone is at the same risk of being a CARRIER, which is a threat to others.
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You did it again right there. It's a threat to the elderly and medically infirm, not everyone, not the general public.

ldsrptcvt said:
you're not supposed to use the N95 with a valve.
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That's what I just said. The only mask we were using in the first place was a mask we weren't supposed to use at all :D
 
NWRatCon said:
You just contradicted yourself: "covering coughs and sneezes" is important. That's what masks do.
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Uh, no buddy, masks don't, because everyone I've seen cough or sneeze around me since this all started removed their mask to do it. The 1 older guy at my job that I mentioned who never wore a mask at all...he doesn't wear a mask because he has COPD and is coughing all the time. Let that sink in for a second: employers are exempting people who cough a lot from wearing a mask that's supposed to cover coughing. THAT'S why I say this whole mask business is bull****.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
Uh, no buddy, masks don't, because everyone I've seen cough or sneeze around me since this all started removed their mask to do it. The 1 older guy at my job that I mentioned who never wore a mask at all...he doesn't wear a mask because he has COPD and is coughing all the time. Let that sink in for a second: employers are exempting people who cough a lot from wearing a mask that's supposed to cover coughing. THAT'S why I say this whole mask business is bull****.
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Since you are a demonstrated expert on bull****, I will defer to your... <stifles a laugh> "superior" ... "experience". Have a nice day.
 
NWRatCon said:
Since you are a demonstrated expert on bull****, I will defer to your... <stifles a laugh> "superior" ... "experience". Have a nice day.
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Have a good one buddy :)
 
Wayne Jr said:
You did it again right there. It's a threat to the elderly and medically infirm, not everyone, not the general public.


That's what I just said. The only mask we were using in the first place was a mask we weren't supposed to use at all :D
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1. when you spread the virus to one person it starts a chain reaction that can lead to highly vulnerable people
2. the public never had access to any kind of N95 masks - they all went to healthcare workers.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Uh, no buddy, masks don't, because everyone I've seen cough or sneeze around me since this all started removed their mask to do it. The 1 older guy at my job that I mentioned who never wore a mask at all...he doesn't wear a mask because he has COPD and is coughing all the time. Let that sink in for a second: employers are exempting people who cough a lot from wearing a mask that's supposed to cover coughing. THAT'S why I say this whole mask business is bull****.
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that is on the employer
 
ldsrptcvt said:
1. when you spread the virus to one person it starts a chain reaction that can lead to highly vulnerable people
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I don't think 'chain reaction' means what you think it means.

ldsrptcvt said:
2. the public never had access to any kind of N95 masks - they all went to healthcare workers.
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Then how is my employer handing them out every day? How do I have 2 in my work locker and we have a box of them in the laundry room at home?
 
jamesbyoung said:
No constitutional right invests itself in not wearing a mask in times of crisis.
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Indeed. We often speak about "the greatest generation", about people making the sacrifice for the greater good. Esp conservatives admire what those folks were willing to do for God and country.
So what happened? We might have to ration a few things, factories are stepping up, but wearing a mask, or worshiping at home is too much to ask?
 
Wayne Jr said:
I don't think 'chain reaction' means what you think it means.


Then how is my employer handing them out every day? How do I have 2 in my work locker and we have a box of them in the laundry room at home?
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1. "Preliminary studies estimated an R0 value for the new coronavirus to be between 2 and 3" How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu? | Live Science
so one person spreads to 2 or 3 others who each spread it to another 2 or 3 people...and so on. It's an infection plume

2. show me a picture of the masks your employer is using.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I don't think 'chain reaction' means what you think it means.


Then how is my employer handing them out every day? How do I have 2 in my work locker and we have a box of them in the laundry room at home?
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My bet is they are KN95s or old stock.
 
Wayne Jr said:
So an infection plume, not a chain reaction.


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How many industries use these masks? They ARE dangerous to others because of the valve. Do you think N95's are really needed for the industry? If so, they should switch to the un-vented ones. Or maybe there is a way to block the valve. If paper surgical masks would work, they are also cheaper.
 
Wayne Jr said:
That's why the fed is fighting so hard against Bitcoin. Decentralized currency will destroy the federal reserve if it ever stableises.
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If it ever stabilizes is the problem.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Trump, backroom deals so Dems throw the election.

Nancy Pelosi, having an 1800 page stimulus bill ready-to-go out of nowhere.

They've had the plans drawn up for years, waiting for the right crisis to take advantage of.
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:lamo
 
bomberfox said:
If it ever stabilizes is the problem.
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Bitcoin cannot possibly function as a primary currency because it has limitations on the number of transactions it can handle. The Visa network alone handles more than twenty thousand times as many transactions per second. Since it isn't a real currency, it instead functions like a commodity. People trade them based on the idea that they can resell the bitcoin in the future for more than they paid. A commodity... that doesn't have any actual function or even physical existence.
 
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Deuce said:
Bitcoin cannot possibly function as a primary currency because it has limitations on the number of transactions it can handle. The Visa network alone handles more than twenty thousand times as many transactions per second. Since it isn't a real currency, it instead functions like a commodity. People trade them based on the idea that they can resell the bitcoin in the future for more than they paid. A commodity... that doesn't have any actual function or even physical existence.
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Boy ive been out of the economics loop for quite a while
 
The confirmation anti-corona hoaxers use goofy arguments.
 
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