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It Is Not Your Constitutional Right To Not Wear A Mask

Feel free...your ignorance of the law could be very costly... I would educate you on public emergency law but you won't listen anyway...

Public emergency laws can't mandate that a person wear a mask in public. Just like mandatory evacuation orders don't allow the state to force someone to leave their homes.
 
These laws aren’t “newly found.” DOH is granted this authority by long-standing statutes passed by State Legislatures and upheld by the Supreme Court in multiple cases.

I said powers not laws.
 
How about you explain how it's wrong? If you're able to.

Maybe your problem is not knowing the purpose of a mask, even after all this time. It's for protecting others.
 
Pass a law and then you can insist it be followed.

How would you react if a mayor ordered you to carry a gun every time you went out in public "in the interest of public safety"?

The state of Louisianna already passed a law authorizing the governor to issue fines for violations...

E. In the event of an emergency declared by the governor pursuant to this Chapter, any person or representative of any firm, partnership, or corporation violating any order, rule, or regulation promulgated pursuant to this Chapter, shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or confined in the parish jail for not more than six months, or both. No executive order, proclamation, or regulation shall create or define a crime or fix penalties.


Louisiana State Legislature
 
Public emergency laws can't mandate that a person wear a mask in public. Just like mandatory evacuation orders don't allow the state to force someone to leave their homes.

Answered below but one more time, just for you...

The state of Louisianna already passed a law authorizing the governor to issue fines for violations...

E. In the event of an emergency declared by the governor pursuant to this Chapter, any person or representative of any firm, partnership, or corporation violating any order, rule, or regulation promulgated pursuant to this Chapter, shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or confined in the parish jail for not more than six months, or both. No executive order, proclamation, or regulation shall create or define a crime or fix penalties.

Louisiana State Legislature
 
Appealing to human decency wouldn't work?

We're waaaay past that...lol. The wanna be dictators who are issueing these orders should have tried that, but instead, they jump straight authoritarianism.

Here's a good example...

‘We Will Take You To Jail:’ Mayor Lightfoot Blasts Those Planning Parties Under Continued Stay-At-Home Order – CBS Chicago

...but if you sell drugs, are a gang banger, or a celeb that created a massive hoax you're good to go.

Oh and she can get her hair done, but don't any of the little people dare to do it!

Appealing to human decency? Yeah, that train left the station a long time ago.
 
Answered below but one more time, just for you...

The state of Louisianna already passed a law authorizing the governor to issue fines for violations...

E. In the event of an emergency declared by the governor pursuant to this Chapter, any person or representative of any firm, partnership, or corporation violating any order, rule, or regulation promulgated pursuant to this Chapter, shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars or confined in the parish jail for not more than six months, or both. No executive order, proclamation, or regulation shall create or define a crime or fix penalties.

Louisiana State Legislature

And like I said, mandatory evacuation orders don't mean jack**** and can't be enforced.
 
Pass a law and then you can insist it be followed.

How would you react if a mayor ordered you to carry a gun every time you went out in public "in the interest of public safety"?

If it was a law I'd have to do it no matter how I felt
 
Maybe your problem is not knowing the purpose of a mask, even after all this time. It's for protecting others.

The same argument can be made for carrying a firearm in public.
 
Your rights have equal responsibilities to others firmly attached to them and since you are part of a society you cannot willfully infect others because you do not take reasonable precautions. As someone who is far more intelligent than me stated it, the US Constitution is not a suicide pact. Life in the US isn't just about you and what you want.

You'll have to prove that the willful infection of others took place. The absence of a mask isn't proof.

It's also your right to steer clear of anyone not wearing a mask, or, just stay home.
 
You'll have to prove that the willful infection of others took place. The absence of a mask isn't proof.

It's also your right to steer clear of anyone not wearing a mask, or, just stay home.

No she doesn’t. She only needs to prove negligence and the willful refusal to wear a mask meets that’s criteria. That’s why Republicans are desperately trying to secure liability exemptions for their cronies and they’ll fail.
 
I can go out in public and not wear a mask, if I choose, because there is no law mandating that I wear a mask. An executive order is not a law.

I would check how your city is handling it. In Laredo, Texas, you get fined up to $1000 for not wearing a mask in public
 
No she doesn’t. She only needs to prove negligence and the willful refusal to wear a mask meets that’s criteria.

Yeah, good luck with that. :lamo
 
I would check how your city is handling it. In Laredo, Texas, you get fined up to $1000 for not wearing a mask in public

My parish isn't issueing those citatations. Our sheriff isn't stupid.
 
Public emergency laws can't mandate that a person wear a mask in public. Just like mandatory evacuation orders don't allow the state to force someone to leave their homes.

yes they can
 
I can go out in public and not wear a mask, if I choose, because there is no law mandating that I wear a mask. An executive order is not a law.

Not so fast....

First, you have a Supreme Court ruling (Jacobson v. Massachusetts) wherein it is was ruled that a state could take an action of this sort for the common good...and it doesn't have to be a law, it is ANY action by a state to restrict liberties for the good of the state. YOU have to prove that such an action is a HARMFUL to reverse it in the courts. Now the state cannot forcibly put a mask on your face....but the orders or laws that say you need to can still punish you.

Second, the 10th Amendment. In many cases where the plaintiff claims government over reach, the 10th Amendment which give the states power under certain circumstances is often used to sink the plaintiff's case. And again, it is NOT limited to law, but government orders.

Finally, you have to understand that because of the 10th Amendment, each state has a constitution that outlines these powers of the governor to give and enforce an executive order. Each state is different...there might some states that are closer to what you think should be the case, most others will not. Here is a link to these powers and checks by state:

http://knowledgecenter.csg.org/kc/system/files/4.5.2019.pdf

On a personal note...such a sad sight to see so many men who are so-called patriots acting like Karens. Pathetic.
 
Not so fast....

First, you have a Supreme Court ruling (Jacobson v. Massachusetts) wherein it is was ruled that a state could take an action of this sort for the common good...and it doesn't have to be a law, it is ANY action by a state to restrict liberties for the good of the state. YOU have to prove that such an action is a HARMFUL to reverse it in the courts. Now the state cannot forcibly put a mask on your face....but the orders or laws that say you need to can still punish you.

Second, the 10th Amendment. In many cases where the plaintiff claims government over reach, the 10th Amendment which give the states power under certain circumstances is often used to sink the plaintiff's case. And again, it is NOT limited to law, but government orders.

Finally, you have to understand that because of the 10th Amendment, each state has a constitution that outlines these powers of the governor to give and enforce an executive order. Each state is different...there might some states that are closer to what you think should be the case, most others will not. Here is a link to these powers and checks by state:

http://knowledgecenter.csg.org/kc/system/files/4.5.2019.pdf

On a personal note...such a sad sight to see so many men who are so-called patriots acting like Karens. Pathetic.

What's sad, is to see so many Americans just roll over and surrender their rights without a single complaint. Ben Franklin was right.
 
well, be careful to check if you travel....

I'm in Monee, Illinois. Delivered in Chicago. No mask and nobody said ****. In fact, I see more people w/o masks than with.

I did see a sheriff deputy in Effingham last night wearing a mask. He would pull it down to talk...lol
 
Liberals don't care what you do, but only as long as it's compulsory by the state.

Liberals love being Little Brother and feel so much safer with Big Brother to hold their hand and tell them what to do...
 
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