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    Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    I donít think this point should be taken lightly.

    This pandemic could not be avoided, but it could have been headed off at the pass and controlled.

    We had a lot of time to prepare and the US is still currently the wealthiest nation on earth, so resources were ample.

    But..

    If you look at the numbers, the death-count 4/28/20 in countries that took prompt, aggressive action:

    S. Korea: 244
    Japan: 385
    Hong Kong: 4
    Taiwan: 6
    NZ 19

    The US where Trump called COVID-19 a hoax & ignored it for 70 days, threatened to fire officials who warned about the impending pandemic, actively discouraged development and deployment of widespread testing (and STILL is behind!) and faces huge deficit of PPE and masks.

    US Death Toll From COVID on 4/28: 57,000 and climbing by over 1000 per day.

    This is a total fiasco, and the government- even now(!) has no plan to contain this outside of the hammer of social distancing. No massive test ramp up yet (unless you believe Mike Pence, which we all have been burned by), no comprehensive plan of testing, researching contacts and isolating new cases, etc.

    This is all setting us up for a year of economic failure- because without testing and contact tracing/isolation, we will just stagger on thru starting and stopping stay at home orders, this further destroying the economy.

    Yes- itís expensive getting testing off the ground on a massive scale, but itís not going to cost the trillions that were lost by shutting down the economy. And itís a myth that it can just magically reopen again, since customers tend not to patronize businesses that have a small chance of killing them.

    The virus might be an Act of God, but the incompetent response has made it much, much worse.
    This may go down as the worst avoidable public health disaster in US history -Eric Topol, MD on COVID-19

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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I don’t think this point should be taken lightly.

    This pandemic could not be avoided, but it could have been headed off at the pass and controlled.

    We had a lot of time to prepare and the US is still currently the wealthiest nation on earth, so resources were ample.

    But..

    If you look at the numbers, the death-count 4/28/20 in countries that took prompt, aggressive action:

    S. Korea: 244
    Japan: 385
    Hong Kong: 4
    Taiwan: 6
    NZ 19

    The US where Trump called COVID-19 a hoax & ignored it for 70 days, threatened to fire officials who warned about the impending pandemic, actively discouraged development and deployment of widespread testing (and STILL is behind!) and faces huge deficit of PPE and masks.

    US Death Toll From COVID on 4/28: 57,000 and climbing by over 1000 per day.

    This is a total fiasco, and the government- even now(!) has no plan to contain this outside of the hammer of social distancing. No massive test ramp up yet (unless you believe Mike Pence, which we all have been burned by), no comprehensive plan of testing, researching contacts and isolating new cases, etc.

    This is all setting us up for a year of economic failure- because without testing and contact tracing/isolation, we will just stagger on thru starting and stopping stay at home orders, this further destroying the economy.

    Yes- it’s expensive getting testing off the ground on a massive scale, but it’s not going to cost the trillions that were lost by shutting down the economy. And it’s a myth that it can just magically reopen again, since customers tend not to patronize businesses that have a small chance of killing them.

    The virus might be an Act of God, but the incompetent response has made it much, much worse.
    Hear! Hear!

    BTW, NZ just declared they are virus free.
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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Here are facts as I know them.

    On January 22 Trump said "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine." CNBC interview in Davos, Switzerland

    On January 24 Trump Tweeted "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

    On January 30, the WHO declared a public health emergency, Trump said We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you," during a speech at a Michigan manufacturing plant

    On February 7 Trump Tweeted "Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but......he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"

    On February 10 Trump said "I had a long talk with President Xi — for the people in this room — two nights ago, and he feels very confident. He feels very confident. And he feels that, again, as I mentioned, by April or during the month of April, the heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus," the president said during a White House meeting with governors.

    On February 23 Trump said "We're very much involved. We're very — very cognizant of everything going on. We have it very much under control in this country," he told reporters in response to a question about whether he had been updated on the coronavirus.

    On February 24 Trump Tweeted "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"

    On February 26 Trump said "I want you to understand something that shocked me when I saw it that — and I spoke with Dr. Fauci on this, and I was really amazed, and I think most people are amazed to hear it: The flu, in our country, kills from 25,000 people to 69,000 people a year. That was shocking to me. And, so far, if you look at what we have with the 15 people and their recovery, one is — one is pretty sick but hopefully will recover, but the others are in great shape. But think of that: 25,000 to 69,000. ... "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done," during a Coronavirus Task Force Press briefing at the White House

    On February 27 Trump said "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," during a White House meeting with African-American leaders

    On February 29 Trump said "And we've done a great job. And I've gotten to know these professionals. They're incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they're very, very cool. They've done it, and they've done it well. Everything is really under control." at CPAC

    and on and on it goes. The man screwed this up royally.
    It's disgraceful. I'm going to maybe and I'm looking at it very seriously. We're doing some other things that you probably noticed like some of the very important things that we're doing now. But we're looking at it very seriously because you can't do that. - President Donald J. Trump

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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Hear! Hear!

    BTW, NZ just declared they are virus free.
    It was refreshing to read some good news on the COVID front today.

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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Hear! Hear!

    BTW, NZ just declared they are virus free.
    Proof that quarantines work, especially preemptive ones.

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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Yeah but you got to admit that Trump selectively targeting the red states and cities to infect for maximum democrat death with his secret Virus Dispersing Drone Program was a killer move on his part .
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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I don’t think this point should be taken lightly.

    This pandemic could not be avoided, but it could have been headed off at the pass and controlled.

    We had a lot of time to prepare and the US is still currently the wealthiest nation on earth, so resources were ample.

    But..

    If you look at the numbers, the death-count 4/28/20 in countries that took prompt, aggressive action:

    S. Korea: 244
    Japan: 385
    Hong Kong: 4
    Taiwan: 6
    NZ 19

    The US where Trump called COVID-19 a hoax & ignored it for 70 days, threatened to fire officials who warned about the impending pandemic, actively discouraged development and deployment of widespread testing (and STILL is behind!) and faces huge deficit of PPE and masks.

    US Death Toll From COVID on 4/28: 57,000 and climbing by over 1000 per day.

    This is a total fiasco, and the government- even now(!) has no plan to contain this outside of the hammer of social distancing. No massive test ramp up yet (unless you believe Mike Pence, which we all have been burned by), no comprehensive plan of testing, researching contacts and isolating new cases, etc.

    This is all setting us up for a year of economic failure- because without testing and contact tracing/isolation, we will just stagger on thru starting and stopping stay at home orders, this further destroying the economy.

    Yes- it’s expensive getting testing off the ground on a massive scale, but it’s not going to cost the trillions that were lost by shutting down the economy. And it’s a myth that it can just magically reopen again, since customers tend not to patronize businesses that have a small chance of killing them.

    The virus might be an Act of God, but the incompetent response has made it much, much worse.
    LOL.

    You literally cited five island-countries that are the most homogeneous in the world.

    South Korea: 51 million
    Japan: 126.5 million
    Hong Kong: 7.4 million
    New Zealand: 4.8 million
    Taiwan: 23.78 million

    United States: 328.2 million

    The fact is, the u.s. has done a better job controlling the virus than those 5 countries when you look at things regionally. trump cannot force the citizens of us to stay inside. If someone wants to go to the grocery store and cough on food, there is nothing we can do to stop it.
    Is it just me or is it getting crazier out there?Ē

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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Trump Administration Restricts Entry Into U.S. From China - The New York Times

    Of course, he was roasted by the media for this, called racist, tyrant, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Trump, Biden Spin China Travel Restrictions - FactCheck.org

    Neither early nor late, according to fact check.

    As for test kits...the folks that make them were on lock down, remember? Part of the danger of relying so exclusively on imported goods, some Trump is also hugely unpopular for combating.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Letís call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    LOL.

    You literally cited five island-countries that are the most homogeneous in the world.

    South Korea: 51 million
    Japan: 126.5 million
    Hong Kong: 7.4 million
    New Zealand: 4.8 million
    Taiwan: 23.78 million
    Island-countries ?

    Get a map

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