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Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying from strokes

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected.

Thomas Oxley wasn’t even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There weren’t enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
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This may be connected with the blood clotting syndrome noticed in many COVID-19 victims.

This is a very scary virus. The end of the human race?
 
This virus is a dick.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected.

Thomas Oxley wasn’t even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There weren’t enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
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This may be connected with the blood clotting syndrome noticed in many COVID-19 victims.

This is a very scary virus. The end of the human race?
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Hyperbole much?
 
when i saw a extremely fit, 36yo female friend die, that was the alarm for me.
 
Yeah, it seems rare, but you do hear about cases where the person didn't have any symptoms at all and then suddenly the illness hits them hard and lays them out in bed.

But if you're under 60, the odds the virus will kill you is like 1 in 10,000, which is good odds in anyone's book. But when you're talking 330,000,000 people, one in 10,000 is significant.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected.

Thomas Oxley wasn’t even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There weren’t enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
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This may be connected with the blood clotting syndrome noticed in many COVID-19 victims.

This is a very scary virus. The end of the human race?
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It's not the end of the human race, not even close, but it's certainly not a laughing matter.
 
snakestretcher said:
Not at all; our Earth has suffered several extinction events. There is nothing we could do to prevent another.

Extinction event - Wikipedia
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Up to 95-98% of people infected don't die. There is no mass extinction event happening. It is awful? Yes. Is it "the end of the human race"? No. How do you not eyeroll that?
 
There is also no evidence that recovered COVID patients cannot be reinfected.

Many dozens of the early infected victims in Wuhan that recovered and tested negative are now testing positive.

Sobering news if true.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected.

Thomas Oxley wasn’t even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There weren’t enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
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This may be connected with the blood clotting syndrome noticed in many COVID-19 victims.

This is a very scary virus. The end of the human race?
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There are many other severely negative health outcomes for those with blood clotting problems. Having a stroke is just one of those many potential problems. It would seem that incidents of those other clotting problems would be greater as well - especially in areas with elevated COVID-19 exposure.

There are quick any easy INR finger prick blood tests to determine if one is at elevated risk of clotting. I get these INR tests at least monthly since I have had two major blood clotting problems (in both lungs and in my right leg) requiring hospitalization and I remain on blood "thinner" medication (probably for life).
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected.

Thomas Oxley wasn’t even on call the day he received the page to come to Mount Sinai Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan. There weren’t enough doctors to treat all the emergency stroke patients, and he was needed in the operating room.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the coronavirus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.
===================================================
This may be connected with the blood clotting syndrome noticed in many COVID-19 victims.

This is a very scary virus. The end of the human race?
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I was infected with COVID-19 a month ago, according to several doctors who saw me. I am serious about this; It is the first serious statement I make in this forum. I was **** for a week and then I started to feel, more or less, like before the infection. My throat feels weaker; But I have been completely alone for two months, without speaking to anyone, and that can easily be the case.
 
relator said:
I was infected with COVID-19 a month ago, according to several doctors who saw me. I am serious about this; It is the first serious statement I make in this forum. I was **** for a week and then I started to feel, more or less, like before the infection. My throat feels weaker; But I have been completely alone for two months, without speaking to anyone, and that can easily be the case.
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Happy to hear you are recovering... This will all get better over time....
 
BlueTex said:
Happy to hear you are recovering... This will all get better over time....
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I just felt really bad for 6 days. On the seventh day I was doing some modeling and gymnastics. My throat bothered me for almost a month. The week I was ill, my mucous membranes became very dry. The worst day was the second. From that day on I did not speak on the phone; it hurt to speak. I recommend that anyone who becomes infected not use their lungs at all when they hurt; not to speak.
And, of course, that nobody should think of doing sports on those days.
 
Guilty confession time: I didn’t actually read the last line of the OP. I got as far as the latest asshole move the virus was making and just responded to that point.

No, this isn’t even remotely close to an extinction event. But it’s scary how something with a such a relatively low mortality rate (when compared to nightmare scenarios like in Contagion and Outbreak) can bring our civilization to a complete standstill.
 
Josie said:
Up to 95-98% of people infected don't die. There is no mass extinction event happening. It is awful? Yes. Is it "the end of the human race"? No. How do you not eyeroll that?
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And you know this how? Your crystal ball?
 
swing_voter said:
Yeah, it seems rare, but you do hear about cases where the person didn't have any symptoms at all and then suddenly the illness hits them hard and lays them out in bed.

But if you're under 60, the odds the virus will kill you is like 1 in 10,000, which is good odds in anyone's book. But when you're talking 330,000,000 people, one in 10,000 is significant.
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Approximately 97.5% of the cases are over the age of 35. The chance that you will contract COVID-19 if you are in the 35+ age group is approximately 1 :: 357.5.

Using the New York demographic date (it's all I have), the chance that you will die of COVID-19 if you are under the age of 65 (which is the upper bound of one of the data groups New York reports by), is approximately 1 :: 1,430.

Your 1 :: 10,000 is off by a (rough) factor of 6.99.
 
Josie said:
Up to 95-98% of people infected don't die. There is no mass extinction event happening. It is awful? Yes. Is it "the end of the human race"? No. How do you not eyeroll that?
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The current US "Mortality Rate" is (approximately) 5.64%, but you are quite correct that THIS ROUND of the COVID-19 is not yet to the stage where it could be considered a "mass extinction event".
 
relator said:
I just felt really bad for 6 days. On the seventh day I was doing some modeling and gymnastics. My throat bothered me for almost a month. The week I was ill, my mucous membranes became very dry. The worst day was the second. From that day on I did not speak on the phone; it hurt to speak. I recommend that anyone who becomes infected not use their lungs at all when they hurt; not to speak.
And, of course, that nobody should think of doing sports on those days.
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Be careful of exerting yourself because the virus damages the heart.
 
Cardinal said:
Guilty confession time: I didn’t actually read the last line of the OP. I got as far as the latest asshole move the virus was making and just responded to that point.

No, this isn’t even remotely close to an extinction event. But it’s scary how something with a such a relatively low mortality rate (when compared to nightmare scenarios like in Contagion and Outbreak) can bring our civilization to a complete standstill.
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Yeah. It's an interesting fact of epidemiology that the less lethal a highly contagious virus is, the more destructive it is. A contagious virus that reliably kills its host in a few days is horrible for the host, but generally lasts only a short time and infects relatively few hosts.

It's those viruses that only rarely kill their host and remain infectious for long periods, like the novel coronavirus, that spread around the world rapidly, overwhelm the healthcare system, and bring everything to a grinding halt. The relatively low mortality rate of the novel coronavirus, coupled with the high infection rate, is precisely what makes it so dangerous.

But no, it's not an extinction event.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Approximately 97.5% of the cases are over the age of 35. The chance that you will contract COVID-19 if you are in the 35+ age group is approximately 1 :: 357.5.

Using the New York demographic date (it's all I have), the chance that you will die of COVID-19 if you are under the age of 65 (which is the upper bound of one of the data groups New York reports by), is approximately 1 :: 1,430.

Your 1 :: 10,000 is off by a (rough) factor of 6.99.
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Nobody even knows how many people are infected. I'm going off what experts say.
 
lwf said:
Yeah. It's an interesting fact of epidemiology that the less lethal a highly contagious virus is, the more destructive it is. A contagious virus that reliably kills its host in a few days is horrible for the host, but generally lasts only a short time and infects relatively few hosts.

It's those viruses that only rarely kill their host and remain infectious for long periods, like the novel coronavirus, that spread around the world rapidly, overwhelm the healthcare system, and bring everything to a grinding halt. The relatively low mortality rate of the novel coronavirus, coupled with the high infection rate, is precisely what makes it so dangerous.

But no, it's not an extinction event.
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But when I see some of these companies reopen and their plan is to have everyone wear a mask and checking temperatures and if you have a temperature, you’re not allowed in.... except we know people can spread it asymptomatically, it’s a useless gesture, it’s highly infectious and it only takes one guy to walk in the door and it can spread like wildfire in the next 3 days to 2 weeks before people get symptoms not unlike seeing those teams of people and trucks disinfecting streets and walls and stuff, it’s security theatre, nothing more and does close to nothing.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
But when I see some of these companies reopen and their plan is to have everyone wear a mask and checking temperatures and if you have a temperature, you’re not allowed in.... except we know people can spread it asymptomatically, it’s a useless gesture, not unlike seeing those teams of people and trucks disinfecting streets and walls and stuff, it’s security theatre, nothing more and does close to nothing.
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Watch the case numbers over the next month in those states.
 
Jetboogieman said:
But when I see some of these companies reopen and their plan is to have everyone wear a mask and checking temperatures and if you have a temperature, you’re not allowed in.... except we know people can spread it asymptomatically, it’s a useless gesture, it’s highly infectious and it only takes one guy to walk in the door and it can spread like wildfire in the next 3 days to 2 weeks before people get symptoms not unlike seeing those teams of people and trucks disinfecting streets and walls and stuff, it’s security theatre, nothing more and does close to nothing.
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I really don’t mind that “security theater,” though there are certain examples where I can’t help but roll my eyes. About two days before it was “duh” obvious that gyms should shut down, I got an email from my gym featuring pictures of beautiful people grinning into the camera while wiping down elliptical machines with disinfectant. I was like, “Yeah, unless you’re wiping that thing down literally between every human being who uses it, I’m not coming in to the gym.”

But I’ve gained about six pounds since then so I guess the joke’s on me.
 
Jetboogieman said:
But when I see some of these companies reopen and their plan is to have everyone wear a mask and checking temperatures and if you have a temperature, you’re not allowed in.... except we know people can spread it asymptomatically, it’s a useless gesture, not unlike seeing those teams of people and trucks disinfecting streets and walls and stuff, it’s security theatre, nothing more and does close to nothing.
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Yep. One asymptomatic person who slips through can render all of that previous work pointless. But increased personal hygiene can be surprisingly effective. An asymptomatic person who is careful and wears a mask and gloves may not infect anyone even if he doesn't isolate. It's definitely not ideal or recommended, but hygiene and social distancing alone works pretty well. I'm at least glad to see that most businesses that are opening are doing their best to enforce hygiene and social distancing. It's not as good as isolation, but it helps.

The one thing that would solve the whole problem aside from a vaccine is ubiquitous testing. If it were possible to test every single person on a regular basis and isolate only those who test positive, we could quickly eradicate the virus with hardly any negative effect on the economy.
 
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