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[W:520]Chicanery in COVID-19 Reporting? Two Things that Seem VERY Fishy!

Mashmont said:
Ebola actually was a serious disease. But because 0bummer was in charge, the media wasn't going to demand everything be shut down. Same with H1N1. Real diseases that actually killed young people. The COVID thing? The left seized on this no-big-deal virus and turned it into the Bubonic Plague in an election year. And now that it has predictably fizzled, the media will do it's best to continue to hype its effects and hope to damage the economy as much as possible.
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But I don't know anyone personally who died of AIDS, so therefore it doesn't exist and every Conservative like yourself who claims it does are actually liars part of a massive conspiracy to lie to the public and at the time take down the presidency of Obama.

How many Americans died of Ebola in 2014?
 
Questerr said:
But I don't know anyone personally who died of AIDS, so therefore it doesn't exist and every Conservative like yourself who claims it does are actually liars part of a massive conspiracy to lie to the public and at the time take down the presidency of Obama.

How many Americans died of Ebola in 2014?
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You keep making my point with the AIDS, thing. It was overhyped by the media for the purpose of pushing a political agenda. Same for the COVID. Thanks for acknowledging, but no need to keep doing it. lol.
 
Mashmont said:
You don't have to apologize for being dishonest, but a decent person would.
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:lamo

The only people I've ever been dishonest with are police, employers/bosses and spouses. Mashmount really got that inflated ego going, don't he? It's not about Mashmunt. LMFAO. Mashmunt is nobody. Why would I be dishonest with Mashminty.
 
Mashmont said:
You keep making my point with the AIDS, thing. It was overhyped by the media for the purpose of pushing a political agenda. Same for the COVID. Thanks for acknowledging, but no need to keep doing it. lol.
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Yes, so AIDS doesn't exist. I should never see you ever bring it up again when for instance talking about homosexuality. If you do, I will link to this post and remind you that you are lying and perpetuating a global conspiracy.

How many Americans died of Ebola again?
 
Mashmont said:
So neither of these seem even a little suspicious to you?
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The facts are just the opposite. Artificially Decreasing the number of deaths and the # of cases, artificially increasing the number of tests conducted; denying Blue cities the PPEs they need;

not giving a damn about dead doctors, dead nurses, dead first responders; not giving a damn about ‘essential’ workers getting sick and dying every day
 
Mashmont said:
You keep making my point with the AIDS, thing. It was overhyped by the media for the purpose of pushing a political agenda. Same for the COVID. Thanks for acknowledging, but no need to keep doing it. lol.
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Such blatant dishonesty. Shameless. :lamo
 
Questerr said:
Yes, so AIDS doesn't exist. I should never see you ever bring it up again when for instance talking about homosexuality. If you do, I will link to this post and remind you that you are lying and perpetuating a global conspiracy.

How many Americans died of Ebola again?
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I didn't say it didn't exist. I said the threat doesn't exist for the mainstream contrary to the way the media portrayed it. Is this the fifth time I've said this? Or the sixth?
 
Mashmont said:
I didn't say it didn't exist. I said the threat doesn't exist for the mainstream contrary to the way the media portrayed it. Is this the fifth time I've said this? Or the sixth?
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So what exactly is different? Present your evidence of less people dying that an being reported. Note: I said "present evidence", not "engage in conspiracy theorizing with no evidence".
 
Mashmont said:
I didn't say it didn't exist. I said the threat doesn't exist for the mainstream contrary to the way the media portrayed it. Is this the fifth time I've said this? Or the sixth?
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Your opinion of the media is faulty. As is your opinion of the pandemic. That's about it. Game over.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The fact you got the NYT questioning this should tell you that this is far more than a simple "right wing talking point".

Unlike my democrat friend i quoted, i'm going to ask for real evidence. What are the procedures for classifying a Xi Flu death? Theoretically, could an official look at, someone die from cancer, and then just happen to write down that it was a due to coronavirus?
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Not an "official" but tens of thousands of doctors are making those calls. Sure, they can write down the wrong cause of death, and they often do.
 
Questerr said:
So what exactly is different? Present your evidence of less people dying that an being reported. Note: I said "present evidence", not "engage in conspiracy theorizing with no evidence".
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Less people dying of COVID than is being reported? That's easy. Read my OP. Dr Birx basically admitted it.
 
Mashmont said:
Less people dying of COVID than is being reported? That's easy. Read my OP. Dr Birx basically admitted it.
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So you have a single source compared to the hundreds of healthcare agencies directly involved with this virus?
 
Michael Cole said:
Your opinion of the media is faulty. As is your opinion of the pandemic. That's about it. Game over.
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I don't know why it would surprise you the media would spread lies to oust Trump. They've been doing it for the past three years, pushing the collusion lie, pushing the Kavanaugh lie, pushing the Mueller Report lie, then pushing the Impeachment lie. What's another lie to them?
 
JasperL said:
Not an "official" but tens of thousands of doctors are making those calls. Sure, they can write down the wrong cause of death, and they often do.
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I doubt that death certificates aren't reliable. Doctor's have no motive to falsify death certificates.

Malice was a good movie but it doesn't much happen in real life.
 
Acadia said:
As Dr. Birx clarified, if someone dies from cancer/kidney failure/congestive heart failure, but is covid-19 positive at the time of death, their cause of death will be recorded as covid-19.
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OK, so a patient gets sick with Covid, presents to the hospital with symptoms consistent with Covid and ultimately dies of heart failure, and we know that heart problems are a major risk factor for COVID 19 deaths. What's the cause of death?

If CV19 precipitated the heart failure, then isn't CV19 appropriately listed as the cause or contributing factor?

Besides, Dr. Birx doesn't dictate how 10s of thousands of doctors and coroners record those deaths, and many people who die never get tested, so the errors are at least in both directions, if there are some deaths inappropriately attributed to CV19.
 
Questerr said:
So you have a single source compared to the hundreds of healthcare agencies directly involved with this virus?
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Dr. Birx is the source. She said any person with COVID who dies is being treated as a COVID death, regardless of the actual cause. That obviously means in some cases, something else was the true cause.
 
Mashmont said:
I didn't say it didn't exist. I said the threat doesn't exist for the mainstream contrary to the way the media portrayed it. Is this the fifth time I've said this? Or the sixth?
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What is mainstream?

Define.
 
Mashmont said:
I don't know why it would surprise you the media would spread lies to oust Trump. They've been doing it for the past three years, pushing the collusion lie, pushing the Kavanaugh lie, pushing the Mueller Report lie, then pushing the Impeachment lie. What's another lie to them?
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What doesn't surprise me is your gullibility. I worked joints for an old fashioned train show when I was 20. Royal American Shows. Great times. You people were a gold mine.
 
Mashmont said:
Dr. Birx is the source. She said any person with COVID who dies is being treated as a COVID death, regardless of the actual cause. That obviously means in some cases, something else was the true cause.
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Cool, and hundreds of health agencies are reporting differently and claim their records are accurate. So you have one source who doesn't have access to all the records.

Why do you believe that one source? Because it matches your insane pre-conceived narrative that Covid-19 is a Deep State conspiracy to implement communism (while Trump is either too stupid to notice or a communist himself, but you never address that).
 
Mashmont said:
Dr. Birx is the source. She said any person with COVID who dies is being treated as a COVID death, regardless of the actual cause. That obviously means in some cases, something else was the true cause.
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What it doesn't mean is decapitations are being recorded as COVID-19. It doesn't mean a missing abdomen due to a 12 gauge is recorded as COVID-19. It doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Your own link explained it, which I posted pages ago. And you ignored it. How dishonest of you!
 
JasperL said:
OK, so a patient gets sick with Covid, presents to the hospital with symptoms consistent with Covid and ultimately dies of heart failure, and we know that heart problems are a major risk factor for COVID 19 deaths. What's the cause of death?

If CV19 precipitated the heart failure, then isn't CV19 appropriately listed as the cause or contributing factor?

Besides, Dr. Birx doesn't dictate how 10s of thousands of doctors and coroners record those deaths, and many people who die never get tested, so the errors are at least in both directions, if there are some deaths inappropriately attributed to CV19.
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Indeed. Birx mentioned nothing about doctors. From the OP's own OP:

The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life.

It's the Fed's doing this, Mash. Trump. Trump's doing this. Not the communist media. Not the communist doctors. Trump.

Trump.
 
Acadia said:
They're not making any calls. They are being told to classify and record the cause of death as covid-19. Dr. Birx was very clear about this.
There is no distinction being made between patients dying FROM covid-19, and patients dying WITH covid-19.
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That's not true. Here's the guidelines from CDC. You can read them if you want, but nowhere in there is a mandate to treat the UCOD as COVID 19 for every single patient that tests positive for COVID 19.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

If you believe the standard require it, please quote the part of the guidelines that do so. I read through the guidelines and saw no such guidance.
 
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