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[W:520]Chicanery in COVID-19 Reporting? Two Things that Seem VERY Fishy!

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Ladies and gentlemen, I have questioned the veracity of COVID-19 cases and deaths recently. I was asking the questions "Who makes the call about cause of deaths and what criteria do they use?" "Who's monitoring these nameless faceless scorekeepers, and why should we implicitly trust their information?" "Are they inflating the numbers for political reasons?"

Now two stories have emerged that show my skepticism is justified. First is the classifying of EVERY death of a COVID-19 patient, regardless of actual cause of death, as a COVID-19 death. Why do this other than to inflate the numbers? The second is the mysterious disappearance of all other traditional ailments; heart trouble. strokes, gall bladder diseases. Strange, huh? This causes me to wonder if ALL deaths are being counted as COVID-19 related, whether the patient has COVID-19 or not. Again, we do not know. There is no watchdog, no monitor, no "controlling legal authority" to make sure there isn't funny business going on. And with the proven existence of the deep state, and given the hatred for Trump, one has to wonder.

"The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life. Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite."

Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as '''COVID-19''' deaths, regardless of cause | Fox News

"What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared.... In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction....And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease."

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? - The New York Times
 
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Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, I have questioned the veracity of COVID-19 cases and deaths recently. I was asking the questions "Who makes the call about cause of deaths and what criteria do they use?" "Who's monitoring these nameless faceless scorekeepers, and why should we implicitly trust their information?" "Are they inflating the numbers for political reasons?"

Now two stories have emerged that show my skepticism is justified. First is the classifying of EVERY death of a COVID-19 patient, regardless of actual cause of death, as a COVID-19 death. Why do this other than to inflate the numbers? The second is the mysterious disappearance of all other traditional ailments; heart trouble. strokes, gall bladder diseases. Strange, huh? This causes me to wonder if ALL deaths are being counted as COVID-19 related, whether the patient has COVID-19 or not. Again, we do not know. There is no watchdog, no monitor, no "controlling legal authority" to make sure there isn't funny business going on. And with the proven existence of the deep state, and given the hatred for Trump, one has to wonder.

"The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life. Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite."

Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as '''COVID-19''' deaths, regardless of cause | Fox News

"What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared.... In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction....And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease."

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? - The New York Times
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So this is the new right-wing talking point. It's not as if they haven't downplayed this pandemic enough. :shrug:
 
Phys251 said:
So this is the new right-wing talking point. It's not as if they haven't downplayed this pandemic enough. :shrug:
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So neither of these seem even a little suspicious to you?
 
Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, I have questioned the veracity of COVID-19 cases and deaths recently. I was asking the questions "Who makes the call about cause of deaths and what criteria do they use?" "Who's monitoring these nameless faceless scorekeepers, and why should we implicitly trust their information?" "Are they inflating the numbers for political reasons?"

Now two stories have emerged that show my skepticism is justified. First is the classifying of EVERY death of a COVID-19 patient, regardless of actual cause of death, as a COVID-19 death. Why do this other than to inflate the numbers? The second is the mysterious disappearance of all other traditional ailments; heart trouble. strokes, gall bladder diseases. Strange, huh? This causes me to wonder if ALL deaths are being counted as COVID-19 related, whether the patient has COVID-19 or not. Again, we do not know. There is no watchdog, no monitor, no "controlling legal authority" to make sure there isn't funny business going on. And with the proven existence of the deep state, and given the hatred for Trump, one has to wonder.

"The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life. Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite."

Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as '''COVID-19''' deaths, regardless of cause | Fox News

"What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared.... In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction....And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease."

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? - The New York Times
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The old fad = Blaming Trump for everything

The new fad = Blaming Trump for everything & saying the WuFlu killed everybody
 
Mashmont said:
And with the proven existence of the deep state, and given the hatred for Trump, one has to wonder.
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:lamoLol, literally every prediction you made was wildly off, so now you're just resorting to full-blown conspiracy theories. Back to the "the Democrats are just doing this to make Trump look bad" routine.
 
Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, I have questioned the veracity of COVID-19 cases and deaths recently. I was asking the questions "Who makes the call about cause of deaths and what criteria do they use?" "Who's monitoring these nameless faceless scorekeepers, and why should we implicitly trust their information?" "Are they inflating the numbers for political reasons?"
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Don't worry. Your most trustworthy and favorite President answered your question already

I think they are pretty accurate ... “Somebody dies. I think the states have been pretty accurate. That's a big deal, what you just said the death counts, I think they are very accurate.”
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I do agree that classifying every death as covid-19, even if it wasn't the cause of death, is not only highly suspect, but malpractice.
I don't think there's even a political argument to be made here. If one wishes to ever grasp the true mortality rate of the coronavirus (and have any hope of extrapolating data such as who is/was more at risk of dying), it will be a near impossible task.
As as academic in healthcare, I find it egregious to forever incorrectly memorialize how these human beings left this life. For posterity, for their families and for the scientific community. It's given me great pause about Birx.
 
Acadia said:
I find it egregious to forever incorrectly memorialize how these human beings left this life. For posterity, for their families and for the scientific community. It's given me great pause about Birx.
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When my mother died in '17, we didn't order an autopsy. Could have been heart, maybe stroke.....it didn't matter. Our memory of her did not change.
 
The opposite is probably true.

Lots of deaths are not being reported as COVID because they are not confirmed. Lots of people being brought in DOA (triple digits in NYC. New York City Paramedics Called to Coronavirus DOA Cases Describe ‘Horror Show’. ) are not listed as COVID related deaths.

The lag on this is significant, and will only be known after this whole thing is past and records are reconciled.

As far as numbers of cases, the epic ****up in testing preparation assures we have no real data on how many people have this or have been exposed.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When my mother died in '17, we didn't order an autopsy. Could have been heart, maybe stroke.....it didn't matter. Our memory of her did not change.
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People dying in this pandemic matter and their cause of death matters. If your mother's death was attributed to anything else but what killed her-for the sake of counting numbers-that is a travesty and injustice.
 
The attending physician makes the call. Is it being suggested there's a vast conspiracy among doctors to make Trump look bad?
 
I see Mashmont is here to walk back his original thread.
 
Phys251 said:
So this is the new right-wing talking point. It's not as if they haven't downplayed this pandemic enough. :shrug:
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The fact you got the NYT questioning this should tell you that this is far more than a simple "right wing talking point".

Unlike my democrat friend i quoted, i'm going to ask for real evidence. What are the procedures for classifying a Xi Flu death? Theoretically, could an official look at, someone die from cancer, and then just happen to write down that it was a due to coronavirus?
 
armycowboy said:
The attending physician makes the call. Is it being suggested there's a vast conspiracy among doctors to make Trump look bad?
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DarkWizard12 said:
The fact you got the NYT questioning this should tell you that this is far more than a simple "right wing talking point".

Unlike my democrat friend i quoted, i'm going to ask for real evidence. What are the procedures for classifying a Xi Flu death? Theoretically, could an official look at, someone die from cancer, and then just happen to write down that it was a due to coronavirus?
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As Dr. Birx clarified, if someone dies from cancer/kidney failure/congestive heart failure, but is covid-19 positive at the time of death, their cause of death will be recorded as covid-19.
 
Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, I have questioned the veracity of COVID-19 cases and deaths recently. I was asking the questions "Who makes the call about cause of deaths and what criteria do they use?" "Who's monitoring these nameless faceless scorekeepers, and why should we implicitly trust their information?" "Are they inflating the numbers for political reasons?"

Now two stories have emerged that show my skepticism is justified. First is the classifying of EVERY death of a COVID-19 patient, regardless of actual cause of death, as a COVID-19 death. Why do this other than to inflate the numbers? The second is the mysterious disappearance of all other traditional ailments; heart trouble. strokes, gall bladder diseases. Strange, huh? This causes me to wonder if ALL deaths are being counted as COVID-19 related, whether the patient has COVID-19 or not. Again, we do not know. There is no watchdog, no monitor, no "controlling legal authority" to make sure there isn't funny business going on. And with the proven existence of the deep state, and given the hatred for Trump, one has to wonder.

"The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life. Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite."

Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as '''COVID-19''' deaths, regardless of cause | Fox News

"What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared.... In an informal Twitter poll by @angioplastyorg, an online community of cardiologists, almost half of the respondents reported that they are seeing a 40 percent to 60 percent reduction in admissions for heart attacks; about 20 percent reported more than a 60 percent reduction....And it may not just be heart attacks and strokes. Colleagues on Twitter report a decline in many other emergencies, including acute appendicitis and acute gall bladder disease."

Where Have All the Heart Attacks Gone? - The New York Times
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You're just mad your predictions were absurdly wrong.

Do you think doctors are too stupid to figure out cause of death?
 
armycowboy said:
The attending physician makes the call. Is it being suggested there's a vast conspiracy among doctors to make Trump look bad?
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They're not making any calls. They are being told to classify and record the cause of death as covid-19. Dr. Birx was very clear about this.
There is no distinction being made between patients dying FROM covid-19, and patients dying WITH covid-19.
 
Phys251 said:
So this is the new right-wing talking point. It's not as if they haven't downplayed this pandemic enough. :shrug:
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yeah. Sean and Rush are pushing it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
:lamoLol, literally every prediction you made was wildly off, so now you're just resorting to full-blown conspiracy theories. Back to the "the Democrats are just doing this to make Trump look bad" routine.
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does anyone here have a lower batting average than the OP?
 
armycowboy said:
The attending physician makes the call. Is it being suggested there's a vast conspiracy among doctors to make Trump look bad?
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hell, at the beginning of this thing Rush, Sean and their altar boys here were saying that the whole thing was a hoax/conspiracy to cause Trump to lose the election in November.

it was oh so funny when it was pointed out that the entire world was in on it.
 
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