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[W:520]Chicanery in COVID-19 Reporting? Two Things that Seem VERY Fishy!

JasperL said:
We've answered your question, you just ignore those you cannot address.

If COVID 19 is the precipitating event, then it's listed as a COVID 19 death. It's similar to how we report deaths from "the flu."
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I looked to see if someone quoted me. You are the first.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Most, perhaps nearly all, die of other diseases, not Covid-19, but Covid-19 was the "precipitating event." This would also explain why healthy people, regardless of age, suffer only the common cold when infected by the virus.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Very good question. The New York metro area, which includes parts of New Jersey, is the perfect breeding ground for a common cold virus, and this virus is especially dangerous. N.Y. has experienced a cold, wet winter that lasted for four months. Older people, the homeless, and the poor dominate the downtown area, and they rely on public transportation. A dangerous virus is easily passed on from person to person. Many probably didn't know what hit them.

Total deaths in three and a half months in the U.S. is 16,548. 7,067 are in New York, 1,700 in New Jersey, 1,076 in Michigan, and 702 in Louisiana for a total of 10,545. That leaves 6,003 for the other 46 states. That is the normal death rate among the old, the sick, the poor, and the homeless for 46 states.
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There were 2,017 new deaths yesterday. 1,310 deaths occurred in the four coldest states in the country during the winter months, New York, New Jersey, Michigan, and Massachusetts. 707 occurred in the other 46 states.

To put this in perspective, California with a population of over 39 million, the largest state in terms of population, had 31 deaths yesterday.

Scientists may finally be able to confirm the widely-held suspicion that bad weather can make you sick.

While the common cold’s name seems to imply that cold weather is responsible for the nose-running, throat-burning misery, the scientific community has been unable to establish exactly how a chill in the air might lead to the sniffles—until now. Just last week, a team of scientists from Yale University announced their discovery that lower temperatures weaken the [body's] first line of immune defenses.

Scientists Finally Prove Why Cold Weather Makes You Sick | NOVA | PBS | NOVA | PBS
 
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Sandy Shanks said:
I looked to see if someone quoted me. You are the first.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Most, perhaps nearly all, die of other diseases, not Covid-19, but Covid-19 was the "precipitating event."
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You've asked the question several times on different threads, and if you read any of this thread, your question was answered many, many times, so your feigned ignorance isn't persuasive.

That's how cause of death works. If I shoot you in the head, and you'd have otherwise died of other diseases, the cause of death is the gunshot to the damn head. It's not hard to figure out, actually. "Cancer" doesn't kill people either, at least generally, but it invades organs, and when those organs fail, you die, but you die of organ failure. So under your theory, there aren't any "cancer" deaths. "the flu" doesn't kill anyone either - it leads to other conditions, most frequently pneumonia, that kill you. So there are no "flu" deaths... Etc.

This would also explain why healthy people, regardless of age, suffer only the common cold when infected by the virus.
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Nor is the idiocy of suggesting that healthy people "suffer only the common cold." That's just flatly false, and either you know better and are lying, or are completely ignorant of how this can impact people of any age and health severely and land them in the hospital, often in ICU.

Did you not read about Boris Johnson, for example?
 
Sandy Shanks said:
There were 2,017 new deaths yesterday. 1,310 deaths occurred in the four coldest states in the country during the winter months, New York, New Jersey, Michigan, and Massachusetts. 707 occurred in the other 46 states.
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LOL, you're just making crap up now. None of those states are in the top 5. :lamo

And Louisianna is one of the warmest states, and it ranks #3 for cases/million and deaths/million. Montana and the Dakotas are three of the coldest states, and they're at the very bottom in terms of cases and deaths per million.

Another crackpot theory bites the dust! :doh

To put this in perspective, California with a population of over 39 million, the largest state in terms of population, had 31 deaths yesterday.

Scientists may finally be able to confirm the widely-held suspicion that bad weather can make you sick.

While the common cold’s name seems to imply that cold weather is responsible for the nose-running, throat-burning misery, the scientific community has been unable to establish exactly how a chill in the air might lead to the sniffles—until now. Just last week, a team of scientists from Yale University announced their discovery that lower temperatures weaken the [body's] first line of immune defenses.

Scientists Finally Prove Why Cold Weather Makes You Sick | NOVA | PBS | NOVA | PBS
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Interesting - that's why Alaska and Hawaii are neck and neck with cases and deaths! Oh wait....
 
Quag said:
You are an expert at being wrong 100% of the time.
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It makes you furious, this thing is fizzling away faster than a fizzy, doesn't it?
 
Mashmont said:
It makes you furious, this thing is fizzling away faster than a fizzy, doesn't it?
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When I look at the actual data
The updated figures from COVID-19 Coronavirus Pandemic (as of my first coffee of the day) are



COUNTRY
TOTAL CASES
(A)		TOTAL DEATHS
(B)		CASES PER
1,000,000		DEATHS PER
1,000,000		MORTALITY RATE
(B)/(A)		TESTS PER
1,000,000
WORLD
1,724,303104,83922113.40.0608UNKNOWN
CHINA
(See NOTE 1)


81,953


3,339


57


2

0.0407


UNKOWN
USA
503,17718,7611,527570.03737,670
CANADA
22,148569587150.025710,156
CANADA
x 8.7
(See NOTE 2)


192,688


4,950


587


15


0.0257


10,156

NOTE 1 – Chinese figures are not accepted as reliable at this time.

NOTE 2 – Absolute numbers adjusted to show what they would be if Canada had the same size population as the US. The ratio numbers remain the same.

NOTE 3 – To put the death statistics in perspective, see the chart at “A Grim Mortality Milestone”. More Americans have now died from COVID-19 than died [a]-in the Battle of Gettysburg (7,058)-[/s] from the H1N1 flu (12,469). The next “major disaster milestone” is the number of deaths -from the H1N1 flu (12,469)- in the Revolutionary War (~25,000).

For data on individual US States follow THIS LINK.
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there doesn't actually appear to be much "fizzling away" going on with respect to COVID-19 in the United States of America.

However, I do understand how someone who completely rejects any data that doesn't support their position 100% would come to a different conclusion.
 
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Mashmont said:
It makes you furious, this thing is fizzling away faster than a fizzy, doesn't it?
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I am laughing at you not furious with you. You really are wrong 100% of the time
 
CaughtInThe said:
i think he's purposely says almost everything wrong. it's some kind of weird game.
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Most definitely its on purpose he hates the religious right for some undisclosed reason (childhood trauma perhaps?) and thus tries to mock them every chance he gets. He is way to obvious though
 
JasperL said:
If there's something worth addressing, I will do that. And I'm not upset about people being deliberately illiterate/stupid - it saves me time by people self-identifying as partisan hacks and/or right wing bubble dwellers. :peace
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apparantly, upset enough to write a post about it lol
 
mrdeltoid said:
When it’s anything except gloom and doom it’s a “right wing talking point”. Was the original model covid19 death projection of US deaths 100,000-245,000 by Mid August a “ left wing talking point”? Was the model wrong then? It changed to 61,000 this week. Is that wrong now? Which one should we believe? Are you saying Dr. Birx was lying? Let me guess. Any positive development for the country, hence good for the administration, “ A right wing talking point”. Am I right? Lol
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Projections are based on specific scenarios.

A couple months ago I said
"If Tom Brady re-signs with the Patriots, I think they will win the super bowl this year."

Now I say the Patriots will not win the super bowl this year. Am I "wrong?" No. The scenario my projection was based on didn't occur.


Early projections were based on growth without social distancing and lockdowns. If we went about our business as if nothing were ever wrong, the death count would be higher. But, instead, we've taken major efforts, started isolating ourselves, quarantine procedures, etc.

I don't see what's so difficult about this. We took steps to mitigate the damage, so projections of damage would naturally be lower.
 
Mashmont said:
It makes you furious, this thing is fizzling away faster than a fizzy, doesn't it?
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1,440 minutes in a day.
Over 2,000 Americans dying each day now, and climbing.
Credit where it's due- what you lack in good judgement you make up in steely determination.
 
Paradoxical said:
Math is a conspiracy now? LMAO.

Why, that's kinda like saying....well, you know. Calling a virus that came from Wuhan the WuFlu is racist. I'm sure you can see the silliness and lunacy of both opinions, can you not?

It's like someone calling it a conspiracy when they say Trump did not collude with Russia and the FBI, CIA and DOJ wanted to get him out of office. It seem that facts are now seen by the radical left wing as "conspiracies". One might think that's a word like racist, fascist, xenophobic to stop the debate because the other sides wants feelings and opinions considered. What are your thoughts on this?
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Now you're just playing games and being cute. Everyone knows you're pushing the CT. You know it too. Just admit it.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Now you're just playing games and being cute. Everyone knows you're pushing the CT. You know it too. Just admit it.
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You're the one using the words "conspiracy theory" in every single post. Like a boy who cries "wolf". I just ignore it because those who toss out "conspiracy theory" have no valid response to arguments and the term is used as a show stopper and diversionary tactic to steer it away from the subject at hand and have the person defend your charge. Like using the words racist or fascist. It's used by chickens.
 
Phys251 said:
You obviously don't know how forecasting works. :) When new data comes in, forecasts are revised.
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I know how it works, and the "forecast was off by 80,000-225,000". Any idiot can make a "forecast" now, that we're 3 month's into it.:roll:
 
Deuce said:
Projections are based on specific scenarios.

A couple months ago I said
"If Tom Brady re-signs with the Patriots, I think they will win the super bowl this year."

Now I say the Patriots will not win the super bowl this year. Am I "wrong?" No. The scenario my projection was based on didn't occur.


Early projections were based on growth without social distancing and lockdowns. If we went about our business as if nothing were ever wrong, the death count would be higher. But, instead, we've taken major efforts, started isolating ourselves, quarantine procedures, etc.

I don't see what's so difficult about this. We took steps to mitigate the damage, so projections of damage would naturally be lower.
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You're talking apples and oranges. Here's Alex Berenson's study on the whole covid19 models. He's studied several of them, and points out why they are so far off. Here's a snippet from the article, but if you read the whole link, it raises legitimate questions:
"But Berenson argues that those models have social distancing and other measures baked into them. As for further proof, he says that outside of places like New York there has not been a national health crisis that was predicted -- nor are there signs that the level of lockdown in various states has made a difference.
“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it's true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
He has also argued, in lengthy Twitter threads, that the drop in cases seen in various states has come before lockdowns would have had an impact -- since it takes a few weeks for social distancing measures to take effect due to the window between infection and symptoms."

I'm not saying there's any sinister motives behind it, just that it isn't an exact science. I DO believe that the MSM tends to report on the worst case scenarios, to beat up on the administration. Does "social distancing" help? Sure it does, and testing/quarantine etc helps even more. We'll get through this. I just hope we don't over react and kill the American economy. It's a balancing act. It's not "lives or dollars". It's a strategic mitigation of both. JMHO
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...us-narrative&usg=AOvVaw01c5ezqOufZIgLluaJmhlb
 
Threegoofs said:
They weren’t off.

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Update on the @IHME_UW model versus reality in New York STATE: reality is still winning. 56,000 hospitalizations and 11,000 ICU beds projected for April 2; 13,400 hospitalizations and 3,400 beds used. Reminder: this model was released ONE WEEK AGO.
 
mrdeltoid said:
I know how it works, and the "forecast was off by 80,000-225,000". Any idiot can make a "forecast" now, that we're 3 month's into it.:roll:
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:yawn:

Were you trying to resurrect a destroyed point of yours? It sure looks like you were. ;)
 
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