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[W:520]Chicanery in COVID-19 Reporting? Two Things that Seem VERY Fishy!

JasperL said:
The feds just compile data recorded on the death certificates and don't change the cause of death reported on them.

I'm sure the distinction Birx was trying to make was we in the U.S. aren't deliberately MISclassifying COVID 19 deaths as pneumonia, for example. If CV was the precipitating event, then it's properly recorded as the UCOD, regardless of what underlying health issue might have contributed to the death.
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Birx didn't say COVID was the precipitating event. Don't try to cover for her. She let the cat out of the bag. But you are people are overlooking the even more nefarious headline of all other ailments supposedly dwindling down to nothing in the face of this virus. Anybody with a brain understands this is preposterous and untrue. Heart attack and stroke incidents don't just disappear on a dime. These ailments are obviously being mislabeled as something else. I wonder what.
 
Threegoofs said:
The opposite is probably true.

Lots of deaths are not being reported as COVID because they are not confirmed. Lots of people being brought in DOA (triple digits in NYC. New York City Paramedics Called to Coronavirus DOA Cases Describe ‘Horror Show’. ) are not listed as COVID related deaths.

The lag on this is significant, and will only be known after this whole thing is past and records are reconciled.

As far as numbers of cases, the epic ****up in testing preparation assures we have no real data on how many people have this or have been exposed.
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We would need to know how many people died at home before the WuFlu
 
RabidAlpaca said:
:lamoLol, literally every prediction you made was wildly off, so now you're just resorting to full-blown conspiracy theories. Back to the "the Democrats are just doing this to make Trump look bad" routine.
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The problem is that if the government did not deceive so frequently such conspiracy theories would not materialize.

When sacrosanct government and media narratives collapse under scrutiny, conspiracy theories result, naturally.

When widespread fear-mongering becomes a goal unto itself, conspiracy theories result, naturally.

If the government has nothing to hide, why does it hide so much.

On the humorous side, with the luxury of hindsight, when the White House spokespersons claimed "who would have thought" regarding Covid, why did they sound so much like the Bush White House when it said "who would have thought" regarding flying planes into buildings?

Don't blame the messenger--open your mind and consider the message. Why is there an air of "training exercise" to this entire Covid thing?
 
Logician Man said:
/// Who are the experts? Not Dr. Fauci. ///:lamo :laughat::laughat::laughat:
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Yeah, how could he have been so wrong about the "200,000 deaths if we did nothing" and have to cut it by 70%? This guy is an expert??
 
Mashmont said:
Today is April 10, before Easter week. I'm well-pleased we are at the top of the curve on new COVID-19 cases and have been for six days now. Also very pleased Dr. Fauci has adjusted his wild unsubstantiated estimates of "200,000 deaths if we do nothing" and has cut that estimate to 30% of what it was. Who are really the experts? Not Dr. Fauci.
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Ohio is getting desperate as not enough people have died or have been infected.

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#JUST IN: Health departments across Ohio will now count who has tested positive for #COVID-19 as well as people suspected of having #coronavirus but who have not been tested, county health medical director Dr. Michael Dohn said. Coronavirus Pandemic: 5,512 cases in Ohio, 213 deaths

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Mashmont said:
Yeah, how could he have been so wrong about the "200,000 deaths if we did nothing" and have to cut it by 70%? This guy is an expert??
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You're welcome to post his credentials as to whether , or not, Dr. Fauci is an expert on infectious diseases.. However, based on your past posting experience, I'm gonna say that will not happen. Feel free to prove me wrong.
 
Acadia said:
As Dr. Birx clarified, if someone dies from cancer/kidney failure/congestive heart failure, but is covid-19 positive at the time of death, their cause of death will be recorded as covid-19.
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This is EXACTLY how it is done. There really shouldn't be any further question of it. It has been admitted and everyone just figures, "Hey, the guy had WuFlu symptoms and who am I to say? Put it down as COVID-19....NEXT!" OTOH, the CDC does pretty much the same thing when they report the deaths from the regular flu.
 
Logician Man said:
You're welcome to post his credentials as to whether , or not, Dr. Fauci is an expert on infectious diseases.. However, based on your past posting experience, I'm gonna say that will not happen. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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I don't care how many degrees you have if you are this far wrong on an estimate. 140,000 deaths off? Out of 200,000 predicteed? Are you serious?
Maybe he's senile like Biden.
 
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Mashmont said:
I don't care how many degrees you have if you are this far wrong on an estimate. 140,000 deaths off? Out of 200,000 predicteed? Are you serious?
Dang. If I didn't already make more than Dr. Fauci, I might apply for his job.
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May want to take it down a notch, Mash. ( friendly advice) Hope you and yours are staying safe and healthy. Happy Easter!
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When my mother died in '17, we didn't order an autopsy. Could have been heart, maybe stroke.....it didn't matter. Our memory of her did not change.
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Then you don't care about truth, just yourself.
 
Questerr said:
No, by your standards, it doesn't exist at all. No one has ever had AIDS or died from AIDS because I haven't personally known anyone who has.

BTW, what sexually immorality have babies infected with AIDS behaved?
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You do know that republicans do not cheat on their wives, correct?

The current Republican leader proves so.
 
Questerr said:
You must be part of a massive conspiracy to lie and make people believe that "AIDS" exists. It clearly doesn't and no one has ever died from it because I don't personally know them.
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OK. You are bludgeoning him in this debate. I may have to call a TKO.
 
Questerr said:
Post a link to this claim of "zillions of Americans" dying from Covid-19.

My city is 2 million people. We also have one of the best concentrations of hospitals in the world per capita, something most places in the world don't have. NYC and its metro is 25 million and its death toll is 6,000+.

Also:

San Antonio population density: 3,000/square mile
NYC population density: 66,000/square mile
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I started a thread talking about how Trump and the republicans were going to pick some fantastic number and then scream that the whole thing was fake or a hoax.

We are already seeing that tactic here daily.
 
Michael Cole said:
:lamo

The only people I've ever been dishonest with are police, employers/bosses and spouses. Mashmount really got that inflated ego going, don't he? It's not about Mashmunt. LMFAO. Mashmunt is nobody. Why would I be dishonest with Mashminty.
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I'm not speaking specifically about that poster, but in real (REAL) life when you encounter people like that don't you normally find that there is something that happened in their personal or professional life that made them that way? I certainly do more times than not.

And I want to help them but I usually can't get past the yelling.
 
Questerr said:
Yes, so AIDS doesn't exist. I should never see you ever bring it up again when for instance talking about homosexuality. If you do, I will link to this post and remind you that you are lying and perpetuating a global conspiracy.

How many Americans died of Ebola again?
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Bookmark this thread.
 
JasperL said:
OK, so a patient gets sick with Covid, presents to the hospital with symptoms consistent with Covid and ultimately dies of heart failure, and we know that heart problems are a major risk factor for COVID 19 deaths. What's the cause of death?

If CV19 precipitated the heart failure, then isn't CV19 appropriately listed as the cause or contributing factor?

Besides, Dr. Birx doesn't dictate how 10s of thousands of doctors and coroners record those deaths, and many people who die never get tested, so the errors are at least in both directions, if there are some deaths inappropriately attributed to CV19.
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This is a good post.
 
Questerr said:
Why do you believe that one source? Because it matches your insane pre-conceived narrative that Covid-19 is a Deep State conspiracy...
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Correct

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity had them on this conspiracy almost from day one.
 
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