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Am I the only one?

Lursa said:
Yes, so? I dont think you even understand the 2nd one you posted. It means that the necessary protein expected to confer immunity isnt present and those patients are at higher risk of re-infection. :lol:

And link 1 still says unlikely. Since there are some cases that do appear to be re-infections...what is your point?

I wrote it's still unknown....so again...what is your point?
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No, there are plenty of people that misguidedly believe as you've written.

We develop an immunity when they develop a vaccine to vaccinate people. Or we may not develop immunity.

Some people have gotten re-infected after having it. They dont know for sure if having it confers immunity and if it does, for how long. For SARS it's only for 2-3 yrs.

and how do you protect all the at-risk people then? The elderly, the persons with suppressed immune systems, etc? Do you just let them die?
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No evidence of the bolded above in your link, which is what I was looking for. No evidence anyone that gets THIS virus will or can get the SAME virus again.
 
Daqueef said:
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?
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Seriously? the more people it infects the greater the probability of a mutation arising so do you want it to mutate or don't you?
 
Paradoxical said:
New links now? Your last ones didn't say what you thought they did?
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I have read a million links and my posts demonstrate a cumulative knowledge.

When you finally specified exactly what you wanted supported...I did so.

Now that you cant make your point, you move the goal posts?
 
Daqueef said:
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?
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if a virus evolves (mutates), you no longer have natural immunity
 
ldsrptcvt said:
if a virus evolves (mutates), you no longer have natural immunity
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Theres no such thing as immunity, the point is, exposing your immune system to disease, virus etc strengthens the immune system. Thats not refutable. Again, this particular strain has already evolved in the short amount of time its been a pandemic. Im not saying it will again, but theres a good possibility it will. If a vax is created for a previous form, its basically redundant to helping months, years down the road. Our primary defense to fighting off such issues is our immune system, which builds strength and memory by being exposed, which is the whole point of a vax. Yes, people will die, but thats life. People day every day. Hiding from this as it jumps host to host, species to species as it evolves is only making us more vulnerable later.

Yes, hiding can help prevent the spread, but the animals quarantining themsleves is very a prevelant comment. Not a joke. If this virus wasn’t transmitable to other species, it would make perfect sense to quarantine in hopes of stopping it from evolving, but since it is able to jump species, its able to infect different hosts and build its organic structure in other hosts as were hiding. Making it stronger as were sitting at home, eating all day, sitting around, lacking physical activity etc, which is detrimental to our immune system itself.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We are trying to hold down the curve of infections because our healthcare system can not handle this bug, for many reasons, to include the lack of PPE and drugs, which tend to be made in China and in the case of drugs India as well.

Once we have a treatment and proper supplies then we need to try to salvage the economy.

I dont think it will matter, I smell the depression already here.

This was a massive failure of our leaders and elites.

And now we pay for that.
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that was an impressive, logical, informed, cogent post

now who are you and where the hell is hawkeye?
 
joko104 said:
Don't be ridiculous and misquided!

If what you suggest, WalMart couldn't be wiping out every mom-pop and small business brick and mortar remaining competition. You must be out of your mind to believe any store but WalMart can be selling clothes, toys, furniture, electronics, nick-nacks. The NATIONS FUTURE DEPENDS upon eliminating ALL brick and mortar businesses that do not gross sell at LEAST 100 BILLION a year.

The nation's future depends upon Amazon take the businesses of all physical stores that dont' go to $100+ businesses like WalMart too. WE MUST CONTINUE TO KEEP ALL STORES THAT COMPETE WITH AMAZON ILLEGAL TO BE IN BUSINESS. ANY brick and mortar store MUST be illegal to sell ANYTHING. The government MUST continue to ORDER ALL stores with UNDER $100 billion in sales illegal to open.

Like most countries in the world, we MUST eliminate the middle class! We can't stop now. We're already halfway there. While almost 90% of middle class businesses MIGHT be able to reopen, within the next few weeks most will be broke and permanently closed.

The BEST economic style is to have 0.01% of the population have 90% of the wealth and 99.99% have 10% of the wealth.

You just don't understand modern economics. Most on the forum do. They understand that all businesses that are not owned by at least a billionaire MUST continue to be illegal to operate because ALL their sales must go to billionaires and multi-billion dollar corporations. At least even 90% of members of this forum understand this. THE MIDDLE CLASS MUST BE ELIMINATED as is happening.

Be patient. 75% to 90% of brick and mortar stores will be permanent eliminated in just a few more weeks as must be done and nearly everyone supports.
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You're not going far enough.

In Approved Stores™, human contact must be limited or eliminated.

Thus human workers as well.

Automation uber alles.

Amazing how the heavily automated Amazon already hugely benefits, no?
 
Lursa said:
Doctor's Note: Can you catch coronavirus twice? | Health | Al Jazeera

They survived the coronavirus. Then they tested positive again. Why? - Los Angeles Times
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FYI, preliminary results of a study in France show that only 10-15% of infected people might be immune after recovery. There are other ongoing studies, but that looks exceptionally bad for the "just let everyone get sick and develop herd immunity" argument.

Obesity is major COVID-19 risk factor, says French chief epidemiologist - Reuters
 
Visbek said:
FYI, preliminary results of a study in France show that only 10-15% of infected people might be immune after recovery. There are other ongoing studies, but that looks exceptionally bad for the "just let everyone get sick and develop herd immunity" argument.

Obesity is major COVID-19 risk factor, says French chief epidemiologist - Reuters
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I wanted to 'Like' your post, but I dont like the info ;)

However thank you for that info, good to know...still hoping for the best.
 
Daqueef said:
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?
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Reminds of one of my favorite quotes

"Americans give up freedom for security, we can't go out and train our immune system by swimming in the sewer sh*t because of government, it gives the illusion of security but really isn't"
 
Daqueef said:
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?
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The vaccine that will be designed with tax dollars is worth an estimated $378,000,000,000 to a special interest pharmaceutical.

Then big government will mandate that all people be vaccinated = profits from here to eternity PLUS kickbacks to political campaign cookie jars.

How many insiders on capitol hill have suddenly invested in the Malaria treatment that Trump is pushing. Rumor has it that Trump is an investor.
 
code1211 said:
Out of curiosity, are you recommending that everyone in the US shelter at home for the next 18 months until an effective vaccine is widely in use?
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Nope and I'm sure as hell not recommending people start going out in droves. Are you?
 
nota bene said:
So the "best of both worlds" is people--any people--getting infected? I don't understand the malice here.
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Why ask other people to do something you aren't willing to do? If you don't understand my malice towards the republican party it's because you read my comments as a republican even though you call yourself an independent.

Let me try to be clearer. In my mind the gop is a cancer growing on america. Trump is the main tumor and his followers are all smaller tumors. So once again I didn't say any people, I made it clear, republicans. You know the group who wants everyone back to work to save the economy.
 
AmNat said:
You're not the only sane one left, but you're one of the few.
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Well Daqueef, what AmNat is trying to tell you is that its a-ok to go to the klan meeting no matter how packed it is.
 
Visbek said:
FYI, preliminary results of a study in France show that only 10-15% of infected people might be immune after recovery. There are other ongoing studies, but that looks exceptionally bad for the "just let everyone get sick and develop herd immunity" argument.

Obesity is major COVID-19 risk factor, says French chief epidemiologist - Reuters
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We are all doomed unless you are able to remain in total isolation for the rest of your life - and nothing that any human touched from now on reaches you.

At least we don't have to worry about dying of climate change in 12 years. Almost no one will be left alive anyway and most of those few will be on ventilators.
 
Razoo said:
The vaccine that will be designed with tax dollars is worth an estimated $378,000,000,000 to a special interest pharmaceutical.
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Actually, pharmas aren't all that hot on vaccines. Even though the number of doses will be huge, the pressure to keep costs down will be immense; and demand will drop off very sharply.

In contrast, pharmas prefer drugs that see ongoing blockbuster use (like Claritin or Viagra). They can make much bigger profits off of that.
 
bongsaway said:
Why ask other people to do something you aren't willing to do? If you don't understand my malice towards the republican party it's because you read my comments as a republican even though you call yourself an independent.

Let me try to be clearer. In my mind the gop is a cancer growing on america. Trump is the main tumor and his followers are all smaller tumors. So once again I didn't say any people, I made it clear, republicans. You know the group who wants everyone back to work to save the economy.
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Please note that I qualified with "ANY people." I am a conservative (although not ever a Republican), but my comment wasn't political at all. The wishing or hoping that anybody catches a terrible disease expresses a malice that has nothing at all to do with politics. Look deeper.
 
TomFitz said:
It didn’t work in 1918.
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The vaccines used to try to fight the 1918 flu were vaccines that fought bacteria not viruses .

One of symptoms of the Spanish flu was pneumonia and the vaccines were only for pneumonia
caused by bacteria.

Today we have vaccines for adults that fight 23 types of pneumonia but so far it seems it does prevent the type of pneumonia that Covid 19 causes.
 
joko104 said:
I can't believe almost no one can see the lie of it all.

Obviouslly, no one should be going out to shop for clothing, toys, furniture, nick-nacks or any other non-essential because OMG! covid-19 and "the curve." Nearly all of your furiously and desperately agree with that, don't you?

NO, none of you do, not one of you do. You can go to shop for all of that stuff. BUT you can only go shopping at WalMart, Target and the other giants. It is only the small independent clothing stores and the rest that are closed. There is no order that WalMart block off all non-essentials.

And, of course, there's Amazon. So who are you under government order to buy from? WalMart, Amazon, Target... only the BIG mega billion dollar corporations.

Therefore, anyone with an IQ over 60 understands this is not about any stay-an-home orders limited only going out for essentials - because this doesn't exist. It is about forcing you to ONLY go to the mega billion dollar stores or buying online rather that the store on the strip mall - only buy from the wealthiest people on earth. Everyone else MUST be ordered out of business and closed.

If this was about "flattening the curve" they would not have it so people have to go to the grocery store every other day for food.

The masses of the United States truly is an idiocrary. Many have gathered on this forum to recite the idiocracy reciting their super rich man-gods.
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Amazon buys from many other 3rd party businesses.

Target buys supplies fr9m many other smaller companies.

As does Walmart.

Drug stores are open.

Hardware stores are open.

Applience stores are open.

Stores that sell heating and cooling parts are open.

And many smaller stores have a good online business.
 
minnie616 said:
I agree.

Actually, herd immunity will not work On the Coronavirus unless an effective vaccine is used on the vast majority of the population.

Here is a snip from an article that explaines it quite nicely.




Read more:

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"science" alert? You just made the right wing plug their ears and start screaming.
 
poweRob said:
"science" alert? You just made the right wing plug their ears and start screaming.
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LoL

The title for the article was Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic

The author of the article is Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz . He an epidemiologist working in chronic disease in Sydney’s west, with a particular focus on the social determinants that control our health.

He writes a regular health blog covering science communication, public health, and what that new study you've read about actually means.

It was posted on a science alert website.

Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
 
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Daqueef said:
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?
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Personally, I prefer finding a treatment over a vaccine.

Most people who get this when younger will likely be fine and become more or less immune. In 10-25 years, even if this bug turns into a seasonal thing, everyone will have gotten it and no longer be so susceptible to its worst symptoms.

There will be a percentage of people who get the worst of it (and risk dying without treatment) and those people can receive that treatment when needed. It's likely they'll become immune or largely immune after getting the virus and possibly not need treatment next time they fall I'll.

In short: this virus will likely become just another "common cold" for the next generation of humanity.

With a vaccine, on the other hand, people have to be sure to get it and the planet is always just one foolish "anti-vax" movement away from a pandemic.

Natural immunity with options for treatment when needed just seems the better way to go to me.

As to believing everyone should just go out and catch this virus, worry not: even with all the mitigation measures in place, it's almost certain nearly everyone on earth will at some point get exposed. This thing is just that contagious.
 
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