Am I the only one?

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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No, there are plenty of people that misguidedly believe as you've written.

We develop an immunity when they develop a vaccine to vaccinate people. Or we may not develop immunity.

Some people have gotten re-infected after having it. They dont know for sure if having it confers immunity and if it does, for how long. For SARS it's only for 2-3 yrs.

and how do you protect all the at-risk people then? The elderly, the persons with suppressed immune systems, etc? Do you just let them die?

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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We are trying to hold down the curve of infections because our healthcare system can not handle this bug, for many reasons, to include the lack of PPE and drugs, which tend to be made in China and in the case of drugs India as well.

Once we have a treatment and proper supplies then we need to try to salvage the economy.

I dont think it will matter, I smell the depression already here.

This was a massive failure of our leaders and elites.

And now we pay for that.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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Knock yourself out.

No, you're not the only one. Oi vey. Please stay in your ****ing house.

I want to know, before I go to the trouble of explaining this to you. Are you actually going to listen to me or are you going to write off everything I say as fear mongering or some ill defined conspiracy theory?

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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You're not the only sane one left, but you're one of the few.

Life = Needs to be hidden from

It's how humanity's gotten this far.

Cowering in caves & whatnot.

:thumbs:

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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Feel free to infect yourself then. Just stay away from everyone that doesn't want it.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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Why would it evolve into a stronger strain if people are avoiding it? The virus evolves if people build up an immunity to it. So, you kind of have a ****ed up argument going here, Daqueef.

Lursa said:

No, there are plenty of people that misguidedly believe as you've written.

We develop an immunity when they develop a vaccine to vaccinate people. Or we may not develop immunity.

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One of the most common ways to develop a vaccine is for people to get immunity from the virus and use their antibodies.

PoS said:

One of the most common ways to develop a vaccine is for people to get immunity from the virus and use their antibodies.

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This may be one of those rare times when that doesn't work, for one reason or another.

Coronavirus: low antibody levels raise questions about reinfection risk

Researchers in Shanghai hope to determine whether some recovered coronavirus patients have a higher risk of reinfection after finding surprisingly low levels of Covid-19 antibodies in a number of people discharged from hospital.

A team from Fudan University analysed blood samples from 175 patients discharged from the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and found that nearly a third had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies.

In some cases, antibodies could not be detected at all.

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PoS said:

One of the most common ways to develop a vaccine is for people to get immunity from the virus and use their antibodies.

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Please volunteer.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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Lursa said:

No, there are plenty of people that misguidedly believe as you've written.

We develop an immunity when they develop a vaccine to vaccinate people. Or we may not develop immunity.

Some people have gotten re-infected after having it. They dont know for sure if having it confers immunity and if it does, for how long. For SARS it's only for 2-3 yrs.

and how do you protect all the at-risk people then? The elderly, the persons with suppressed immune systems, etc? Do you just let them die?

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I agree.

Actually, herd immunity will not work On the Coronavirus unless an effective vaccine is used on the vast majority of the population.

Here is a snip from an article that explaines it quite nicely.

But among all this uncertainty, I can say for sure that there is one thing that I would never have seen coming: the discussion about herd immunity. It is so out of the blue that the first time a journalist asked my opinion on whether it was effective for the coronavirus, I literally laughed out loud because I assumed they were joking.

And yet, here we are. Countless articles and think-pieces on the COVID-19 virus are making the argument that, albeit potentially risky, achieving herd immunity could be one response to our crisis. Many of them frame herd immunity as a preventive strategy that may stall the tidal wave of disease so many are predicting.



All of this is simply nonsense. [B[Herd immunity without a vaccine is by definition not a preventative measure.

Let me explain.


Herd immunity is an epidemiological concept that describes the state where a population – usually of people – is sufficiently immune to a disease that the infection will not spread within that group. In other words, enough people can't get the disease – either through vaccination or natural immunity – that the people who are vulnerable are protected.

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Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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I really get what you are saying.

What is happening in NYC could be happening everywhere. We are desperately trying not to overwhelm healthcare systems.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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No, you're not the only one.

This is the current Trumpster line.

PoS said:

One of the most common ways to develop a vaccine is for people to get immunity from the virus and use their antibodies.

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It is 'common.' It is also in now way predictable.

All talk and no action. Here's a suggestion why don't you and all the folks who think like you go out and save the economy? We would get the best of both worlds, the economy being saved and republicans being infected because of their hard headed stupidity and ignorance.

Risk your own life before you ask others to risk theirs.

Or the world could, you know, be smart about it while killing as few people as possible while a vaccine is developed so that people will have immunity.

We're not dealing with people who have Christian Values.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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I don't think you're insensitive, you're just working on limited information and understanding.

The policies all most countries are implemented don't prevent anyone getting infected, they slow the rate of infection, primarily to soften the impact on healthcare services and wider vital services.

The mutation of a virus largely relies on transmission so it doesn't really matter how slowly it is transmitted, only how often. 1000 infections in a day or a 1000 infections in a week are still both 1000 opportunities for mutation. Again, slowly the whole process gives to experts more time to study and keep on top of the progress of the virus and any significant mutations.

On the animal front, it did probably cross from bats to humans but that doesn't mean it can cross to other animals and I've not seen anything about infection of common domestic animals that could pose an additional issue. It think cross-infection is more common with certain animals, like bats and (other) apes. There are a few things cats and dogs can catch from us (and vice-versa), but not many.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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Don't be ridiculous and misquided!

If what you suggest, WalMart couldn't be wiping out every mom-pop and small business brick and mortar remaining competition. You must be out of your mind to believe any store but WalMart can be selling clothes, toys, furniture, electronics, nick-nacks. The NATIONS FUTURE DEPENDS upon eliminating ALL brick and mortar businesses that do not gross sell at LEAST 100 BILLION a year.

The nation's future depends upon Amazon take the businesses of all physical stores that dont' go to $100+ businesses like WalMart too. WE MUST CONTINUE TO KEEP ALL STORES THAT COMPETE WITH AMAZON ILLEGAL TO BE IN BUSINESS. ANY brick and mortar store MUST be illegal to sell ANYTHING. The government MUST continue to ORDER ALL stores with UNDER $100 billion in sales illegal to open.

Like most countries in the world, we MUST eliminate the middle class! We can't stop now. We're already halfway there. While almost 90% of middle class businesses MIGHT be able to reopen, within the next few weeks most will be broke and permanently closed.

The BEST economic style is to have 0.01% of the population have 90% of the wealth and 99.99% have 10% of the wealth.

You just don't understand modern economics. Most on the forum do. They understand that all businesses that are not owned by at least a billionaire MUST continue to be illegal to operate because ALL their sales must go to billionaires and multi-billion dollar corporations. At least even 90% of members of this forum understand this. THE MIDDLE CLASS MUST BE ELIMINATED as is happening.

Be patient. 75% to 90% of brick and mortar stores will be permanent eliminated in just a few more weeks as must be done and nearly everyone supports.

minnie616 said:

I agree.

Actually, herd immunity will not work On the Coronavirus unless an effective vaccine is used on the vast majority of the population.

Here is a snip from an article that explaines it quite nicely.




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It didn’t work in 1918.

Because those damn radical rightwing judges on the Supreme Court this is the ONLY way to outlaw any store of any company that doesn't do at least a billion in sales a year locked down and out of business by the government.

It intolerable that some nobody-woman has a little clothing store. It must - and is - now outlawed for example. WalMart is where you buy clothes. Cheap slave labor clothes because slave labor is the most efficient.

The reason the billionaires are billionaires is because they are genius! The bought ALL television networks and news, ALL newpapers and of course totally control the Internet. With this, they could undertake a 24/7 every day and night campaing of terror and hate mongers to cause everyone to agree with them that all sales MUST come to them and that all their competition MUST be outlaws and put out of business.

Of course, they then need more employees as their competition is ordered illegal and shut down, all those employees have to go stock WalMart and Amazon's warehouses and be their workers too. Just minutes ago, the salesman for one of our suppliers told me he is laid off indefinitely - as have 1200 other people, but it is NOT a mega billion dollar company. WalMart and Amazon need him to work stocking for $15 an hour - and work FAST!!! too. With unemployment going to 30%, they'll get all the low paid workers they want - CHEAP.

They found their way around the Supreme Court and the Constitution/Bill of Rights this way. Like I said, brilliant tactic!!!

So, like China, Russia and all totalitarian governments which brilliantly have 90% of all wealth in a few hands, the USA also will modernize this way to. Be patient. This transformation will be completed by the 1st of June, July at the latest.

PS. I agree with you and believe by the non-stop terror and hate campaign most Americans now have an IQ of about 60. The only thing that matters to them is having toilet paper. Terror and Hate reduces people to their most primitive instincts eliminating any rational or complex thinking ability. Whatever the billionaires tell them on TV is all they can grasp - as long as it is really, really, really simple.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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One must learn from the experts in the field instead of being an expert.

TomFitz said:

It didn’t work in 1918.

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Social distancing and stay home orders didn't work in 1918.

Daqueef said:

Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

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That's one option. The other, which I think most of us prefer, is to try not to get sick while we wait for a vaccine.