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Am I the only one?

Anyone whose immune system can not resist this will get it. It will affect you exactly the same - week, a month or a year from now. YOU WILL be exposed to covid-19.

Waiting to make sure there is a ventilator for you? The survival rate is 20% - but most of those (not alll) will be on a ventilator the rest of their lives or won't last long due to permanent lung damage. Fortunately, most suffer no effects, little effect or minor flu-like symptoms for a few days.
 
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

Have you ever heard of a vaccine?

I am a 56 year old asthmatic with type 2 diabetes.

I would prefer to not take a .38 with one bullet in the chamber, spin the cylinder and fire it at my lungs, which is what you propose I do.

No thank you.
 
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

You will almost certainly be exposed to the virus if you have not already. We will almost certainly develop "herd immunity." The main point of social distancing and lockdown measures is to stagger out the rate of infection, and to make sure that when you do get it and if you suffer terribly from it, there will be an ICU bed and a ventilator available for you. Social distancing helps us "flatten the curve" and keep from overwhelming our hospitals so that people who would have otherwise survived do not die from shortages of medical care. That is all.
 
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Look at you promoting unfounded panic. Starving...good lord. Better run out and go get cv19 for everyone, because home cooking isn’t as good as eating ou..amirite??

I am the first person on the forum to start a thread stating covid-19 was a danger. But because the MSM was assuring everyone it is no danger, I was accused of spreading panic.

What the hell do you know about food supply? Anything? Anything at all? We are non-stop getting panic calls from across the food supply chain - dairy farmers, egg companies, every manner of livestock, vegetables, fruits, canning, bottling, there equipment. It only takes one missing link in a supply chain to shut it all down - like any assembly line.
For many reasons, it is because of people with your attitude we shut down for many days - but were begged back into business - and ask ourselves every day why are we throwing away day after week of our lives for other people that we believe are fools, reckless, lazy, amoral and immoral - all having put themselves in this situation and all as rich men-gods worshippers? We're set for life many times over and could live indefinitely without going to any store the rest of our lives otherwise.

What are you going to cook in your kitchen if you live in the city and are ordered to stay in your home? Trying to throw out line traps to catch pidgeons to cook?
 
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No, there are plenty of people that misguidedly believe as you've written.

We develop an immunity when they develop a vaccine to vaccinate people. Or we may not develop immunity.

Some people have gotten re-infected after having it. They dont know for sure if having it confers immunity and if it does, for how long. For SARS it's only for 2-3 yrs.

and how do you protect all the at-risk people then? The elderly, the persons with suppressed immune systems, etc? Do you just let them die?

They have done tests with the monkeys that have the closest immune system to ours. They do get some durable immunity. They don't know how long because it hasn't been that long.
 
I am the first person on the forum to start a thread stating covid-19 was a danger. But because the MSM was assuring everyone it is no danger, I was accused of spreading panic.

What the hell do you know about food supply? Anything? Anything at all? We are non-stop getting panic calls from across the food supply chain - dairy farmers, egg companies, every manner of livestock, vegetables, fruits, canning, bottling, there equipment. It only takes one missing link in a supply chain to shut it all down - like any assembly line.
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Any citations for this nationwide crisis of losing a stable food supply? Grocery shelves, still stocked. Freezers, dry goods, filling pantries. Many restaurants, still delivering. No news on it, nothing from White House. I see no evidence of it. Where is your evidence that all those other things aren’t real or responding to reality, and that our food supply is about to collapse?
 
I can't believe almost no one can see the lie of it all.

Obviouslly, no one should be going out to shop for clothing, toys, furniture, nick-nacks or any other non-essential because OMG! covid-19 and "the curve." Nearly all of your furiously and desperately agree with that, don't you?

NO, none of you do, not one of you do. You can go to shop for all of that stuff. BUT you can only go shopping at WalMart, Target and the other giants. It is only the small independent clothing stores and the rest that are closed. There is no order that WalMart block off all non-essentials.

And, of course, there's Amazon. So who are you under government order to buy from? WalMart, Amazon, Target... only the BIG mega billion dollar corporations.

Therefore, anyone with an IQ over 60 understands this is not about any stay-an-home orders limited only going out for essentials - because this doesn't exist. It is about forcing you to ONLY go to the mega billion dollar stores or buying online rather that the store on the strip mall - only buy from the wealthiest people on earth. Everyone else MUST be ordered out of business and closed.

If this was about "flattening the curve" they would not have it so people have to go to the grocery store every other day for food.

The masses of the United States truly is an idiocrary. Many have gathered on this forum to recite the idiocracy reciting their super rich man-gods.
 
They have done tests with the monkeys that have the closest immune system to ours. They do get some durable immunity. They don't know how long because it hasn't been that long.

Testing monkeys is good enough. Monkeys are higher than most Americans now in intellect. Monkeys don't destroy themselves and their own troop.

Those monkeys that die should be sold whole and raw in grocery store meat markets, since Americans continue to be a-ok with that in China, for which whatever those monkeys have will get here. So why not just have people eating lab monkeys here? This might save somone one day of going to the grocery - rather than every 2 days now - rather than once a week. After all, part of "stay home" should be that people go to grocery stores 300% more often, right?
 
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You will almost certainly be exposed to the virus if you have not already. We will almost certainly develop "herd immunity." The main point of social distancing and lockdown measures is to stagger out the rate of infection, and to make sure that when you do get it and if you suffer terribly from it, there will be an ICU bed and a ventilator available for you. Social distancing helps us "flatten the curve" and keep from overwhelming our hospitals so that people who would have otherwise survived do not die from shortages of medical care. That is all.

Well, that’s just phase1, and I think it’s for three reasons.

Phase 2 requires massive testing and tracking before going back out is feasible. And even then is a gamble.
Alternatively, it would require an effective treatment that dramatically improves odds of not needing hospitalization and death. Ideally both.

Sow slowing it is helping reduce hospital load, but also buying time for those two things that enable phase 2.
Phase 3 will we think be vaccination.

Experts do not think removing social isolation before one or both widespread testing and effective treatment is available, would be wise. It would start it all over again, it’s simply too contagious.

But then, with our leadership and the current push by conservatives that this shutdown was totally unnecessary and economy>> lives, it might be what is tried..sadly.
 
Look at you promoting unfounded panic. Starving...good lord. Better run out and go get cv19 for everyone, because home cooking isn’t as good as eating ou..amirite??

You knew that right wingers were going to go from whistling past the graveyard in tune with their fool’s gold fuhrer, to full on panic.

They’re much more confortable when they have something to be afraid of (real or not). IN this case, it’s likely quite real.

As I noted elsewhere. I have little doubt that many of the right wingers who have been singing the Trump tune about reopening and forgetting about the danger, have closets full of toilet paper.
 
Any citations for this nationwide crisis of losing a stable food supply? Grocery shelves, still stocked. Freezers, dry goods, filling pantries. Many restaurants, still delivering. No news on it, nothing from White House. I see no evidence of it. Where is your evidence that all those other things aren’t real or responding to reality, and that our food supply is about to collapse?

Don't worry about it. Anything you are not told TV doesn't exist.

Of course, you could check it yourself. Search "plastic bottles" and then click on any link and try to put just 10,000 white, brown, black or any other color jug, F-Style or any other style bottle in the cart and if it goes there, then click cart - and see what it says. Start with the biggest and go down the page to the next and the next. Phone them on the phone, tell them you work with a hospital and need a mere 1,000 white gallon bottles or jugs - or any other color - also quarts.

But you won't do that. As Joe Biden said, Democrats "no longer will accept facts.

I'll prove you absolutely will accept nothing nor explore anything not on TV:

The largest supplier in the country:
Berlin Packaging | The World'''s Only Hybrid Packaging Supplier

The next largest:
U.S. Plastic Corp. | Plastic Bottles, Tubing & Fittings, Tanks, Buckets, Pipe, Sheet & Labware
Plastic Bottles, Plastic Jars and Glass Containers | Wholesale and Bulk
SKS Bottle & Packaging
- Glass Bottles, Plastic Bottles, Glass Jars, Metal Tins and More


If you find any by being able to put them in your cart and click check out (don't have to buy them), let me know. I'll buy all they have. Any color, any style (but clear, clear allows reaction with UV light). Independent research would make you a heretic against your MSM talking head actor employees of the super-rich gods.
 
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Don't worry about it. Anything you are not told TV doesn't exist.
Of course, you could check it yourself. Search "plastic bottles".
So plastic bottles has you concerned. I don’t know what to say joko...it’s gonna be OK.
 
Humanity has been beating the world up for the last 200 years with impunity. the oceans, the atmosphere, the animal kingdom with its appetite for shark fin soup and ivory. Now mother nature is biting back and were dumbfounded, brace yourself, this is only the first salvo. A reckoning has been in the cards for some time.
 
Because those damn radical rightwing judges on the Supreme Court this is the ONLY way to outlaw any store of any company that doesn't do at least a billion in sales a year locked down and out of business by the government.

It intolerable that some nobody-woman has a little clothing store. It must - and is - now outlawed for example. WalMart is where you buy clothes. Cheap slave labor clothes because slave labor is the most efficient.

The reason the billionaires are billionaires is because they are genius! The bought ALL television networks and news, ALL newpapers and of course totally control the Internet. With this, they could undertake a 24/7 every day and night campaing of terror and hate mongers to cause everyone to agree with them that all sales MUST come to them and that all their competition MUST be outlaws and put out of business.

Of course, they then need more employees as their competition is ordered illegal and shut down, all those employees have to go stock WalMart and Amazon's warehouses and be their workers too. Just minutes ago, the salesman for one of our suppliers told me he is laid off indefinitely - as have 1200 other people, but it is NOT a mega billion dollar company. WalMart and Amazon need him to work stocking for $15 an hour - and work FAST!!! too. With unemployment going to 30%, they'll get all the low paid workers they want - CHEAP.

They found their way around the Supreme Court and the Constitution/Bill of Rights this way. Like I said, brilliant tactic!!!

So, like China, Russia and all totalitarian governments which brilliantly have 90% of all wealth in a few hands, the USA also will modernize this way to. Be patient. This transformation will be completed by the 1st of June, July at the latest.

PS. I agree with you and believe by the non-stop terror and hate campaign most Americans now have an IQ of about 60. The only thing that matters to them is having toilet paper. Terror and Hate reduces people to their most primitive instincts eliminating any rational or complex thinking ability. Whatever the billionaires tell them on TV is all they can grasp - as long as it is really, really, really simple.
You are a poor judgement of IQ level as your posts here reflect pathetically minimal input.
 
Don't worry about it. Anything you are not told TV doesn't exist.

Of course, you could check it yourself. Search "plastic bottles" and then click on any link and try to put just 10,000 white, brown, black or any other color jug, F-Style or any other style bottle in the cart and if it goes there, then click cart - and see what it says. Start with the biggest and go down the page to the next and the next. Phone them on the phone, tell them you work with a hospital and need a mere 1,000 white gallon bottles or jugs - or any other color - also quarts.

But you won't do that. As Joe Biden said, Democrats "no longer will accept facts.

I'll prove you absolutely will accept nothing nor explore anything not on TV:

The largest supplier in the country:
Berlin Packaging | The World'''s Only Hybrid Packaging Supplier

The next largest:
U.S. Plastic Corp. | Plastic Bottles, Tubing & Fittings, Tanks, Buckets, Pipe, Sheet & Labware
Plastic Bottles, Plastic Jars and Glass Containers | Wholesale and Bulk
SKS Bottle & Packaging
- Glass Bottles, Plastic Bottles, Glass Jars, Metal Tins and More


If you find any by being able to put them in your cart and click check out (don't have to buy them), let me know. I'll buy all they have. Any color, any style (but clear, clear allows reaction with UV light). Independent research would make you a heretic against your MSM talking head actor employees of the super-rich gods.
Please stop destroying threads with these ridiculously ignorant posts.
 
Never reported in the mainstream media, early in their experience the Chinese discovered that there are 2 strains of the virus. In their experience one strain was usually or often lethal, the other strain was usually or often not lethal.

The Germans are working on doing bloodwork on all their citizens. Those who had and survived the disease have acquired (naturalized) immunity and possess antibodies. They will receive a certificate of immunity.

I personally know 8 or 10 people who have had the disease and survived. If our healthcare system follows the German lead they will likely discover that there are many like that in the US. The people I know are not "in the system" in a statistical sense because they suffered with it at home, no medical help and no testing.

The human race will survive this affair, and the herd will be thinned in some small degree.
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I find something very creepy about that statement.

A family member and I were just having a conversation on forced testing of a known contact trail. Prior to a mutual acquaintance testing positive, my relative was for it. Now, not so much. Odd how they were for it when it meant other people had to be tested, not when it came to themselves. Good (and maybe necessary?) info for the data/scientists trying to track and defeat this. Not so good for personal liberties and choice/right-of-refusal to medical procedures.
 
Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?

This "social distancing" nonsense is a direct result of the panic and terror that still grips the nation, thanks primarily to the media.

COVID-19 is no deadlier or more serious than the influenza viruses that hit the US in 2017-2018. We had 61,000 US deaths, 810,000 hospitalized, and 21,000,000 Americans seeking medical attention for flu related symptoms during the 2017-2018 flu epidemic and there was no clearing out grocery stores nation-wide, no tens of millions without jobs, no shutting down the entire nation's economy, no $2 trillion unconstitutionally spent, and no "social distancing" because there was no panic.

Why are we panicking over COVID-19 when we didn't panic over the influenza viruses during 2017-2018? Consider that 2017-2018 did not occur during an election year, but COVID-19 did. What better way to disrupt an election the left know they can't win than by creating a nation-wide panic over a common influenza virus?
 
Certainly it is an ideal way to flatten the curve for everyone at a bottle company to be laid off for their and everyone's protection, so they can go work at minimum wage bagging and stocking at WalMart and the grocery store - because they are much less like to catch covid-19 for those thousands of shoppers rather than the 12 people they work with and no customer contact in their bottle company area.

Covid-19 is highly selective on who it goes after. They KNOW which are the BIG companies owned by billionaries - employees with LOTS of human contact, so covid-19 leaves them alone. It only goes after little businesses with few employees and few customers. At least that's what most people think including on this forum.
 
Certainly it is an ideal way to flatten the curve for everyone at a bottle company to be laid off for their and everyone's protection, so they can go work at minimum wage bagging and stocking at WalMart and the grocery store - because they are much less like to catch covid-19 for those thousands of shoppers rather than the 12 people they work with and no customer contact in their bottle company area.

Covid-19 is highly selective on who it goes after. They KNOW which are the BIG companies owned by billionaries - employees with LOTS of human contact, so covid-19 leaves them alone. It only goes after little businesses with few employees and few customers. At least that's what most people think including on this forum.

WalMart in particular is not going to be having a very rosy future. The bulk of their goods come from China, who has stopped shipping to the US. Sadly, China is by far the US' biggest trading partner. We trade more with China than all the member nations of the EU combined. Only Canada and Mexico combined trade more with the US than China, and that is only because they are our neighbors. So when China cuts its shipments to the US it is going to have a serious effect on the US economy.

Two shippers in Oregon have already closed their doors back in February because China stopped shipping goods. I mentioned them specifically because they were 2 of the 3 Oregon shippers that also provide food to Alaska. The same thing is happening in Washington State and California. Shippers are closing their doors up and down the west coast because there are no more goods coming from China.

COVID-19 is nothing more than a common influenza virus being hyped by the media into something it clearly isn't.
 
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WalMart in particular is not going to be having a very rosy future. The bulk of their goods come from China, who has stopped shipping to the US. Sadly, China is by far the US' biggest trading partner. We trade more with China than all the member nations of the EU combined. Only Canada and Mexico combined trade more with the US than China, and that is only because they are our neighbors. So when China cuts its shipments to the US it is going to have a serious effect on the US economy.

COVID-19 is nothing more than a common influenza virus being hyped by the media into something it clearly isn't.

We can blame the capitalist for this one..
 
Why would it evolve into a stronger strain if people are avoiding it? The virus evolves if people build up an immunity to it. So, you kind of have a ****ed up argument going here, Daqueef.
its already shown it can jump from humans, to animals, and so on. How many animals you see hiding from it? You must know of some animals out there quarantining themselves? Stop being mad, man.
 
its already shown it can jump from humans, to animals, and so on. How many animals you see hiding from it? You must know of some animals out there quarantining themselves? Stop being mad, man.

:lamo
 
We will be debating for years if not decades whether we overreacted in the Spring of 2020.

At some point when the curve has flattened for a few weeks we will restart the economy. The young and healthy need to get back to work and the old and sick will need to continue to self-isolate.
 
All talk and no action. Here's a suggestion why don't you and all the folks who think like you go out and save the economy? We would get the best of both worlds, the economy being saved and republicans being infected because of their hard headed stupidity and ignorance.

Risk your own life before you ask others to risk theirs.

So the "best of both worlds" is people--any people--getting infected? I don't understand the malice here.
 
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