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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    LoL

    The title for the article was Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic

    The author of the article is Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz . He an epidemiologist working in chronic disease in Sydney’s west, with a particular focus on the social determinants that control our health.

    He writes a regular health blog covering science communication, public health, and what that new study you've read about actually means.

    It was posted on a science alert website.

    Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
    Interesting article that makes some excellent points.

    It's also worth mentioning that these viruses, these sub-microscopic particles of organic chemistry that are specifically designed to infect and cause problems - diseases, can't remain actively infectious for long outside of a "host."

    They are very susceptible to the environment. Heat, desiccation (drying out), UV light, probably other things, will inactivate or 'denature' the compounds & proteins they're made of.

    So yes, being careful and not "passing it around" is good. If one gets it, one has to quarantine...but .. how many of us have gone to work sick because we 1. Just GOT the job. 2. Can't afford to take a day off or 3 4 5 6 ..so many other economic reasons, maybe personal ones ?

    Testing to verify will be helpful.

    Also maybe we have some changes to make in our culture, employers & employees BOTH.

    Also, it would seem worthwhile to develop methods & means to make quality & applicable vaccines much quicker wouldn't it ?

    I suspect that there's WAY more bureaucratic bull___ery than necessary to develop them, but I'm just theorizing ; )
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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daqueef View Post
    Call me insensitive, but how do we expect to build immunity to this pandemic if were not exposing ourselves to it? What if this virus evolves into a stronger strain? It will be so much worse than it is now with the fear, anxiety, lack of knowledge and social distancing if were just hiding from it. You cant build any sort of immunity to a virus/disease that can potentially evolve into something far worse if youre not exposed to it. If this **** really started in animals, was passed to humans, and can be transmitted back and forth, what else can it do if it gets stronger itself?
    Group immunity helps a bit, millions of people are going to get this or are already having it, but we are really just doing it until a vaccine comes along. This group immunity is a nice tool, but this ****ty situation is not going to go away that fast. We need a vaccine. That is what all the money should be going towards.

    Or you are right, this will come back to bite us. Studies of the Dutch version of the CDC have doubts that a mild version of covid 19 is going to give a person enough anti-bodies to not get infected again.

    Our blood donor organization Sanquin is going to test 10,000 people (1 week or blood donors) who are donating blood for signs people have had the infection.

    Then they are going to regularly test another batch of 10,000 donors to gauge when group immunity is starting to happen. This is of course not as valuable as vaccine development, but extra knowledge is never a bad thing.

    I do not know if group immunity is going to save us all, but it will help until a vaccine is ready to be used.

    At least that I my view on this group immunity issue.
    Easy rule to hold yourself to, avoid crowds. Use masks when in public transport or when you cannot keep distance, help society by protecting yourself

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    We are all doomed unless you are able to remain in total isolation for the rest of your life - and nothing that any human touched from now on reaches you.

    At least we don't have to worry about dying of climate change in 12 years. Almost no one will be left alive anyway and most of those few will be on ventilators.
    ^ ^Too optimistic.
    And THEN what...?

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Razoo View Post
    The vaccine that will be designed with tax dollars is worth an estimated $378,000,000,000 to a special interest pharmaceutical.

    Then big government will mandate that all people be vaccinated = profits from here to eternity PLUS kickbacks to political campaign cookie jars.

    How many insiders on capitol hill have suddenly invested in the Malaria treatment that Trump is pushing. Rumor has it that Trump is an investor.
    Many politicians made money in Solendra before it failed. The politicians, of course, bought interests in Solendra while government funding was pumping millions of dollars into the failed experiment, but the politicians sold out before the government money dried up causing it to go bankrupt.

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    So plastic bottles has you concerned. I don’t know what to say joko...it’s gonna be OK.
    Of course you wouldn't look because nothing is more would should you lack total loyalty to your television gods that facts. You just convinced me to raise our prices 25%. Congrats!
    Coronavirus still poses a low risk to the general public in the US.""If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." "If you have tested negative for covid-19, there is no reason to wear a mask." Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of NIAID

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by captaintrips View Post
    Interesting article that makes some excellent points.

    It's also worth mentioning that these viruses, these sub-microscopic particles of organic chemistry that are specifically designed to infect and cause problems - diseases, can't remain actively infectious for long outside of a "host."

    They are very susceptible to the environment. Heat, desiccation (drying out), UV light, probably other things, will inactivate or 'denature' the compounds & proteins they're made of.

    So yes, being careful and not "passing it around" is good. If one gets it, one has to quarantine...but .. how many of us have gone to work sick because we 1. Just GOT the job. 2. Can't afford to take a day off or 3 4 5 6 ..so many other economic reasons, maybe personal ones ?

    Testing to verify will be helpful.

    Also maybe we have some changes to make in our culture, employers & employees BOTH.

    Also, it would seem worthwhile to develop methods & means to make quality & applicable vaccines much quicker wouldn't it ?

    I suspect that there's WAY more bureaucratic bull___ery than necessary to develop them, but I'm just theorizing ; )
    Actually, warm or hot weather does not seem to affect this virus.

    And many have ignored the fact that hundreds of seeming healthy people under 50 have died from Covid-19.

    From the Washington post:


    Hundreds of young Americans have now been killed by the coronavirus, data shows
    The disease is more deadly for the old, but with U.S. deaths mounting, so is its toll among the young.
    stay safe, stay well

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    We have been trying to find an HIV vaccine for 30+ years.....
    I listened to a discussion on the topic of vaccines yesterday.

    Like everyone in my generation, I was vaccinated for a variety of diseases, polio among them, in grade school. I believe this occurred more than once.

    I have not been vaccinated for polio since. I never have gotten polio.

    I get a vaccination for the flu every year. I also get the flu every year.

    What's wrong with this picture?
    We huh we'r we're it's it's a we're in the middle of a pandemic that has cost us more than 85,000 jobs as of today. Lives of billions of people. Millions of people. Millions of jobs. You know, we're in a position where, you know, we just got new unemployment insurance... -Joe Biden

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by JackA View Post
    It is far off. You better get going and become sick on purpose.
    Will that serve to solve my problems or yours?
    We huh we'r we're it's it's a we're in the middle of a pandemic that has cost us more than 85,000 jobs as of today. Lives of billions of people. Millions of people. Millions of jobs. You know, we're in a position where, you know, we just got new unemployment insurance... -Joe Biden

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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I listened to a discussion on the topic of vaccines yesterday.

    Like everyone in my generation, I was vaccinated for a variety of diseases, polio among them, in grade school. I believe this occurred more than once.

    I have not been vaccinated for polio since. I never have gotten polio.

    I get a vaccination for the flu every year. I also get the flu every year.

    What's wrong with this picture?
    Here is your answer: The experts and the political establishment and the drug companies have been only slightly interested in developing a better product.

    The crap product works fine for them.






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    Re: Am I the only one?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I listened to a discussion on the topic of vaccines yesterday.

    Like everyone in my generation, I was vaccinated for a variety of diseases, polio among them, in grade school. I believe this occurred more than once.

    I have not been vaccinated for polio since. I never have gotten polio.

    I get a vaccination for the flu every year. I also get the flu every year.

    What's wrong with this picture?
    I was vaccinated for everything under the sun, including polio, small pox, tetanus, etc. and I use to also get flu vaccinations annually. However, all that changed in 1976 when I was still in the military and President Ford ordered everyone in the military to be vaccinated against Swine Flu. There were only ~20,000 cases of Swine Flu in the US in 1976, all of them in the military due to a bad batch of vaccines. I was one of those who contracted the virus, which hit me as I was trying to qualify for my PFT. That was the last time I ever got vaccinated for the flu.

    Some years I get the flu, most years I don't. I alter my diet to help improve my immune system during the Autumn in order to prevent colds, and in the Spring to help prevent the flu. Most of the time it works, some times it doesn't. I would rather take my chances on my immune system than on questionable vaccinations.

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