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Acting Navy secretary resigns after insulting aircraft carrier’s ousted captain

Mycroft said:
Read my post again...pay attention to the quote from the article that Napoleon presented. That's the only timeline I know of.

(Sorry...I'm not well enough connected to the US Navy. I'm not privy to their classified actions.)
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Links and quotes the Cpt. sent it in the clear
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Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy - SFChronicle.com
“I heard about the letter from Capt. Crozier (Tuesday) morning, I know that our command organization has been aware of this for about 24 hours and we have been working actually the last seven days to move those sailors off the ship and get them into accommodations in Guam. The problem is that Guam doesn’t have enough beds right now and we’re having to talk to the government there to see if we can get some hotel space, create tent-type facilities,” Modly said.
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JANFU said:
In the clear??

Proof pls.
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Jesus...

I've already presented the statement from Modly when he removed Crozier. That's when we found out that the Captain sent the message in the clear.

Do a search here on the forum or use Google. Or don't. I don't care.
 
Mycroft said:
Jesus...

I've already presented the statement from Modly when he removed Crozier. That's when we found out that the Captain sent the message in the clear.

Do a search here on the forum or use Google. Or don't. I don't care.
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Where- post it - page number-para
 
JANFU said:
Where- post it - page number-para
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What part of "I don't care." do you not understand?

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
Mycroft said:
You actually don't know WHY Crozier sent the email.

In any event, he made a big mistake by doing that.
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If he cared about his career more than the safety of his men, yes, he made a mistake. But that wasn't his choice. He decided his career was worth trying to protect his crew.
 
In the Trump era, decent, honorable men and women who act they way we would want them to act are punished. Like Lt. Col. Vindman , Ambassador Yovanovitch, etc.

Meanwhile, rule-breakers and bad actors, war criminals, are rewarded. The Navy SEAL, Sheriff Arpaio, etc.

So after a period of this, it's hard for some to say what's acceptable behavior anymore. The whole incentive structure has flipped.

Modly got hung out to dry, acting all Trumpy by slandering CAPT Crozier, bullying the crew and dissing the media. He thought Trump would love it. I did too, frankly, but for some reason known only to Trump, this time he didn't. Who knows what motivates Trump? Certainly not professionalism, commitment, higher standards of behavior. The entire affair was chaotic and shameful.

Bottom line, no president has undermined honor, courage, and commitment in the armed forces more than Trump and his minions.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Thomas B. Modley, in a delusional fit of superiority, flew to Guam, displayed himself as a Trump toadie and engaged in a 15 minute rant to berate Capt. Crozier and his Theodore Roosevelt crew.

Now that Modley resigned, Modley looks stupid. Crozier's status as a beloved hero continues to grow!

Crozier left his command to the cheers of his charges. Modley, after his rant, became the object of mass derision, then resigned under pressure.
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As it should be. The acting actor should never have been put into the role he played, thankfully one more swamp creature will never again be put in an office of trust.
 
Good, he was an ass. His tirade was all political and not about our military's health.
 
JasperL said:
If he cared about his career more than the safety of his men, yes, he made a mistake. But that wasn't his choice. He decided his career was worth trying to protect his crew.
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That's nonsense.

Since the Navy already knew of the situation on board his vessel, that means he had already been in contact...presumably through secure communications. There is no excuse for trying to contact the Navy...by way of people outside his chain of command...and by way of open communications.

Before you start assigning motives to the man, I suggest you find out exactly WHY he chose to communicate the way he did. "trying to protect his crew" doesn't cut it, since his superiors were already aware and working on ways to protect his crew.
 
Mycroft said:
That's nonsense.

Since the Navy already knew of the situation on board his vessel, that means he had already been in contact...presumably through secure communications. There is no excuse for trying to contact the Navy...by way of people outside his chain of command...and by way of open communications.

Before you start assigning motives to the man, I suggest you find out exactly WHY he chose to communicate the way he did. "trying to protect his crew" doesn't cut it, since his superiors were already aware and working on ways to protect his crew.
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The navy was dragging its feet. He needed his crew off that ship

He sent the email


He got his crew off that ship immediately


Hes a hero
 
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lwf said:
Were people saying Trump fired him?
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Some blue checkmarks on twitter were saying it. who knows....I find odd how many of them agree with this guy ousting, and yet, hate Trump for doing it(if he did).
 
Mycroft said:
That's nonsense.

Since the Navy already knew of the situation on board his vessel, that means he had already been in contact...presumably through secure communications. There is no excuse for trying to contact the Navy...by way of people outside his chain of command...and by way of open communications.

Before you start assigning motives to the man, I suggest you find out exactly WHY he chose to communicate the way he did. "trying to protect his crew" doesn't cut it, since his superiors were already aware and working on ways to protect his crew.
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Mycroft, take a walk. The Captain, aware the Navy was ignoring his crew's needs and aware that it would end his career, did the good and honorable act. That is something no Trumper ever understands.
 
I like Tyler, Texas, Darkwizard12. I have a home there.
 
Mycroft said:
That's nonsense.

Since the Navy already knew of the situation on board his vessel, that means he had already been in contact...presumably through secure communications. There is no excuse for trying to contact the Navy...by way of people outside his chain of command...and by way of open communications.

Before you start assigning motives to the man, I suggest you find out exactly WHY he chose to communicate the way he did. "trying to protect his crew" doesn't cut it, since his superiors were already aware and working on ways to protect his crew.
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I know why he did it - he didn't believe the Navy was doing enough to protect his people. His sailors knew it too, which is why he got the sendoff he did, and why that idiot acting Sec. of the Navy had to resign.

If you think there's a different reason he decided to sacrifice his career to write that letter, let us know. We are all 100% certain it will absolve Trump and everyone close to him of any blame for anything, since Dear Leader is never wrong, and can only be wronged by others. But I'd still like to hear your theory.
 
JasperL said:
I know why he did it - he didn't believe the Navy was doing enough to protect his people. His sailors knew it too, which is why he got the sendoff he did, and why that idiot acting Sec. of the Navy had to resign.

If you think there's a different reason he decided to sacrifice his career to write that letter, let us know. We are all 100% certain it will absolve Trump and everyone close to him of any blame for anything, since Dear Leader is never wrong, and can only be wronged by others. But I'd still like to hear your theory.
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sigh...

The letter is not the issue.

The way he transmitted the letter is the issue. That's what got him removed.

And you should be asking yourself this: Why did a career Naval Officer, who is well aware of secure communications protocol, decide to transmit a letter in violation of that protocol? Doing it the way he did, didn't get action from his superiors any quicker than than if he had followed proper protocol.
 
Modly said he and he alone removed Capt. Crozier from command.

Now Modly and Modly alone is busted.

Two wrongs don't make a right which means Crozier got a raw deal from the guy in the wrong. Trump who supported Modly is now hemming and hawing that perhaps there's something that can be done to mitigate the damage Modly did to Crozier and the Navy.

The bottom line on Modly is that he was the wrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time while doing all the wrong he the loud garbage mouth could muster. And now he's gone leaving others to clean up the damage he left in his wake.

Modly didn't do a single thing right in the whole of it.
 
Rexedgar said:
I guess hanging from the yardarm is out-dated..........
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Out-dated, but appropriate.

Trump has an opportunity to make lemonade out of lemons. Will he?
 
Mycroft said:
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The letter is not the issue.

The way he transmitted the letter is the issue. That's what got him removed.
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I never said otherwise. What I have said is he willingly and presumably knowingly sacrificed his career to protect those on the ship. Obviously he didn't believe the Navy was acting quickly enough and wanted to set a fire under their slow moving asses, and he did it by making the situation public.

And you should be asking yourself this: Why did a career Naval Officer, who is well aware of secure communications protocol, decide to transmit a letter in violation of that protocol? Doing it the way he did, didn't get action from his superiors any quicker than than if he had followed proper protocol.
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Again, we can all read the letter and know why he did what he did. His people knew it too, and cheered him as he left the ship, because they knew he had their backs and their best interests at heart, and embraced that a core duty of command was protecting those under him from needless disease and death.
That asshole Modly apparently didn't understand any of that - what real leadership looks like, putting one's people ahead of one's career.

FWIW, I understand why the Navy removed him from command, and don't necessarily have a problem with it. I also respect the captain for making the choice he did, which was take an action he believed was necessary to protect his people, knowing the likely professional cost of that decision.
 
Modly the Trump garbage mouth succeeded the SecNavy who got shipped out for resisting Trump's unpardonable pardon of war criminals.

I'd wager the Naval Service officer corps view of Modly was negative and that Modly's standing among the NCO and EP wasn't any better. Modly's name and station are in the chain of command after all, meaning every sailor has to know 'em.

So when the China Global Plague set itself upon the USA and began to impact the TR in major ways, and Modly couldn't deliver effective and timely relief, he had nothing left for any sailor to believe in. Conversely sailors of the TR had their captain to believe in because they were right there with him throughout the action and they knew.
 
Mycroft said:
sigh...

The letter is not the issue.

The way he transmitted the letter is the issue. That's what got him removed.

And you should be asking yourself this: Why did a career Naval Officer, who is well aware of secure communications protocol, decide to transmit a letter in violation of that protocol? Doing it the way he did, didn't get action from his superiors any quicker than than if he had followed proper protocol.
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The issue, Mycroft, is that you don't get it, whereas Tangmo and JasperL do. The Navy was not acting nearly quickly enough. The commander acted the hero, and you are acting the bureaucrat.
 
jamesbyoung said:
The issue, Mycroft, is that you don't get it, whereas Tangmo and JasperL do. The Navy was not acting nearly quickly enough. The commander acted the hero, and you are acting the bureaucrat.
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The Navy was acting as quickly as they could...and the letter did nothing to get quicker action.
 
Mycroft said:
The Navy was acting as quickly as they could...and the letter did nothing to get quicker action.
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The navy was dragging its feet....thus the need for the email
 
Mycroft said:
The Navy was acting as quickly as they could...and the letter did nothing to get quicker action.
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Cite? But you can't. And the letter placed the blame on the Captain's superiors, where it belonged.
 
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