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Good articles on a growing question. Will Trump and his team of advisors try and reinstate activity too early to save the economy and stock market? Though the Dow seems to be climbing right now, a double-bottom is predicted once the new unemployment and quarterly numbers come in. The rich somehow manage to get richer.

Investor who predicted the start of the 2009 bull market: Beware of a double bottom

"I think it's a little early to predict because given the lockdown that we have seen globally in so many countries around the world, the impact of this lockdown on businesses, it's not going to be seen immediately," said the Mobius Capital Partners founder. "So I believe that once the numbers start coming in, people will be somewhat disappointed." "I think we're probably maybe going to do a double bottom, jumping down again and pushing up again." "If you've got millions of unemployment claims, that means a lot of people will not be returning to the same jobs that they were at before."

U.S. Is Nowhere Close to Reopening the Economy, Experts Say

WASHINGTON - It is still very early in the U.S. effort to snuff a lethal pandemic by shutting down much of the economy. But there is a growing question - from workers, the White House, corporate boardrooms and small businesses on the brink - that hangs over what is essentially a war effort against a virus that has already killed more than 9,000 Americans.

There is no good answer yet, in part because we don't even have the data needed to formulate one.

Essentially, economists say, there won't be a fully functioning economy again until people are confident that they can go about their business without a high risk of catching the coronavirus.

Without more testing, "there's no way that you could set a time limit on when you could open up the economy," said Simon Mongey, a University of Chicago economist.

While they wait for the infection rate to fall, policymakers will need to provide more support to workers who have lost jobs or hours and to businesses teetering on the brink of failure. That could mean trillions more in small business loans, unemployment benefits and direct payments to individuals, and it could force the government to get creative in deploying money.

"It's important not to lift too early," said Emil Verner, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist who is a co-author of a new study that found that cities that took more aggressive steps to curb the 1918 flu pandemic in the United States emerged with stronger economies than cities that did less. "Because if we lift too early, the pandemic can take hold again. And that itself is very bad for the economy." (end)
 
I'm sure the Trump administration is pulling their hair out over exactly this. If they don't reopen the economy soon it may still be in recession in November. If they do reopen it and the virus surges back to the forefront, they'll have to close it for a second time, which could be even worse. Everyone is praying that warmer temps this summer will keep infections to a minimum.

No easy answers for the people in charge.
 
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The market will be under 18,500 by the end of next week.
 
I'm sure the Trump administration is pulling their hair out over exactly this. If they don't reopen the economy soon it may still be in recession in November. If they do reopen it and the virus surges back to the forefront, they'll have to close it for a second time, which could be even worse.

No easy answers for the people in charge.

No easy answers for the people at large. ;)


The market will be under 18,500 by the end of next week.

Are you talking about Thurs new unemployment numbers report? Could be.
 
Good articles on a growing question. Will Trump and his team of advisors try and reinstate activity too early to save the economy and stock market? Though the Dow seems to be climbing right now, a double-bottom is predicted once the new unemployment and quarterly numbers come in. The rich somehow manage to get richer.

Investor who predicted the start of the 2009 bull market: Beware of a double bottom

"I think it's a little early to predict because given the lockdown that we have seen globally in so many countries around the world, the impact of this lockdown on businesses, it's not going to be seen immediately," said the Mobius Capital Partners founder. "So I believe that once the numbers start coming in, people will be somewhat disappointed." "I think we're probably maybe going to do a double bottom, jumping down again and pushing up again." "If you've got millions of unemployment claims, that means a lot of people will not be returning to the same jobs that they were at before."

U.S. Is Nowhere Close to Reopening the Economy, Experts Say

WASHINGTON - It is still very early in the U.S. effort to snuff a lethal pandemic by shutting down much of the economy. But there is a growing question - from workers, the White House, corporate boardrooms and small businesses on the brink - that hangs over what is essentially a war effort against a virus that has already killed more than 9,000 Americans.

There is no good answer yet, in part because we don't even have the data needed to formulate one.

Essentially, economists say, there won't be a fully functioning economy again until people are confident that they can go about their business without a high risk of catching the coronavirus.

Without more testing, "there's no way that you could set a time limit on when you could open up the economy," said Simon Mongey, a University of Chicago economist.

While they wait for the infection rate to fall, policymakers will need to provide more support to workers who have lost jobs or hours and to businesses teetering on the brink of failure. That could mean trillions more in small business loans, unemployment benefits and direct payments to individuals, and it could force the government to get creative in deploying money.

"It's important not to lift too early," said Emil Verner, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist who is a co-author of a new study that found that cities that took more aggressive steps to curb the 1918 flu pandemic in the United States emerged with stronger economies than cities that did less. "Because if we lift too early, the pandemic can take hold again. And that itself is very bad for the economy." (end)

Anyone who is in the right investments is prospering as of late.
Why must the rich always be scapegoated by the obvious?

We're not going to lift the bans too early. The market is simply reacting to optimism shown by a possible flattening in the curve. CA. isn't supposed to see the apex until May, according to Gov. Gavin Newsom.
We're not out of the woods yet, but what is hopeful is that WH social distancing guidelines appear to be helping. The market is reacting to that optimism.
 
The market will be under 18,500 by the end of next week.

I'm buying metals .... mostly silver.
Much as I can.
Converting paper into real money.

The premium is up while the quoted price is not ... don't care.
I think it is cheap at $20 and it's selling right now for about $18.
 
Good articles on a growing question. Will Trump and his team of advisors try and reinstate activity too early to save the economy and stock market? Though the Dow seems to be climbing right now, a double-bottom is predicted once the new unemployment and quarterly numbers come in. The rich somehow manage to get richer.

Investor who predicted the start of the 2009 bull market: Beware of a double bottom

"I think it's a little early to predict because given the lockdown that we have seen globally in so many countries around the world, the impact of this lockdown on businesses, it's not going to be seen immediately," said the Mobius Capital Partners founder. "So I believe that once the numbers start coming in, people will be somewhat disappointed." "I think we're probably maybe going to do a double bottom, jumping down again and pushing up again." "If you've got millions of unemployment claims, that means a lot of people will not be returning to the same jobs that they were at before."

U.S. Is Nowhere Close to Reopening the Economy, Experts Say

WASHINGTON - It is still very early in the U.S. effort to snuff a lethal pandemic by shutting down much of the economy. But there is a growing question - from workers, the White House, corporate boardrooms and small businesses on the brink - that hangs over what is essentially a war effort against a virus that has already killed more than 9,000 Americans.

There is no good answer yet, in part because we don't even have the data needed to formulate one.

Essentially, economists say, there won't be a fully functioning economy again until people are confident that they can go about their business without a high risk of catching the coronavirus.

Without more testing, "there's no way that you could set a time limit on when you could open up the economy," said Simon Mongey, a University of Chicago economist.

While they wait for the infection rate to fall, policymakers will need to provide more support to workers who have lost jobs or hours and to businesses teetering on the brink of failure. That could mean trillions more in small business loans, unemployment benefits and direct payments to individuals, and it could force the government to get creative in deploying money.

"It's important not to lift too early," said Emil Verner, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist who is a co-author of a new study that found that cities that took more aggressive steps to curb the 1918 flu pandemic in the United States emerged with stronger economies than cities that did less. "Because if we lift too early, the pandemic can take hold again. And that itself is very bad for the economy." (end)

Ohio just extended its shutdown until May 1.
 
As long as it is necessary.
 
Ohio just extended its shutdown until May 1.

It's looking like many states won't be out of the peak before then, especially in the south.
 
It's looking like many states won't be out of the peak before then, especially in the south.

Yeah, I'm worried about the red states especially. I'm afraid Florida is going to get hammered.
 
Anyone who is in the right investments is prospering as of late.
Why must the rich always be scapegoated by the obvious?

We're not going to lift the bans too early. The market is simply reacting to optimism shown by a possible flattening in the curve. CA. isn't supposed to see the apex until May, according to Gov. Gavin Newsom.
We're not out of the woods yet, but what is hopeful is that WH social distancing guidelines appear to be helping. The market is reacting to that optimism.

Experts have been telling all of us, including the White House, since March 14th, that social distancing is vital to mitigate the spread of this virus. When did the White House finally come on board with the experts? Not for two whole weeks, March 30th.

Yay, we're finally all on the same page, including the federal government, regarding the importance of social distancing.
 
Washington state just shut down schools for the remainder of this year. Other states (not sure which ones) have reportedly done so also. I agree that making the quarantine longer than necessary would be the careful, cautious, thing to do. We certainly don't want everyone rushing back out and getting those who haven't had it yet sick. I'm not happy with the feds slow response on the med equipment and supplies. We can't do anything about our government not responding, when they were informed about Covid-19, back in January, now. But, more resources can be put into research and that needs to be exhilarated. Kudos to state governors, who are doing a good job (Washington's, N.Y's, Oregon). Not some of the ones, slow to call for social distancing.
 
Anyone who is in the right investments is prospering as of late.
Why must the rich always be scapegoated by the obvious?

We're not going to lift the bans too early. The market is simply reacting to optimism shown by a possible flattening in the curve. CA. isn't supposed to see the apex until May, according to Gov. Gavin Newsom.
We're not out of the woods yet, but what is hopeful is that WH social distancing guidelines appear to be helping. The market is reacting to that optimism.
Trump, Wilbur Ross, Sen. Loeffler, and GOP groups are in the right investments you refer to, such as Big Pharma like Sanofi and Teva Israel that make hydroxychloroquine.
 
I'm sick of this virus crap. It's really cramping my style.
 
Good articles on a growing question. Will Trump and his team of advisors try and reinstate activity too early to save the economy and stock market?
Yeah, that's a given. Except that they won't "save the economy" by opening up early.

Would you go on a cruise right now?
Would you fly on a plane or stay in a hotel for a week right now?
Would you go to a concert or NFL game with 20,000 other people right now?
Would you eat in a crowded restaurant right now?

For every person who says "yes," there is at least one who will say no -- and that number will climb along with death rates from opening up.

The best case scenario is that we'll have multiple waves of closures and openings, until a vaccine and/or cure can be mass-produced. Expect a lot of bad messaging, reluctant action and general ineptness from Trump while all that's happening.
 
Yeah, I'm worried about the red states especially. I'm afraid Florida is going to get hammered.

It's where I live, and the populace seems to have this cavalier attitude. I see neighbors talking up close to each other with no protection and shoppers not wearing masks.
 
Yeah, that's a given. Except that they won't "save the economy" by opening up early.

Would you go on a cruise right now?
Would you fly on a plane or stay in a hotel for a week right now?
Would you go to a concert or NFL game with 20,000 other people right now?
Would you eat in a crowded restaurant right now?

For every person who says "yes," there is at least one who will say no -- and that number will climb along with death rates from opening up.

The best case scenario is that we'll have multiple waves of closures and openings, until a vaccine and/or cure can be mass-produced. Expect a lot of bad messaging, reluctant action and general ineptness from Trump while all that's happening.

I completely agree that people will be setting the timeline, not King Donald. A vaccine mass-produced and distributed is the only real solution. I read where Bill Gates is spending billions to fast track at least 8 different trials.
 
It's where I live, and the populace seems to have this cavalier attitude. I see neighbors talking up close to each other with no protection and shoppers not wearing masks.

Yikes. Florida is already in the top 10 worst states for COVID-19 cases, has an older population, and had a poor government response. Stay safe down there!
 
Experts have been telling all of us, including the White House, since March 14th, that social distancing is vital to mitigate the spread of this virus. When did the White House finally come on board with the experts? Not for two whole weeks, March 30th.

Um, no. MAR 16, 2020 4:40 PM EDT
"President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday urged the nation to follow social distancing for at least 15 days as part of the country's effort to halt the spread of the coronavirus pandemic."
And the above federal guideline was extended to 30 more days March 31st.

Trump Urges Americans to Social Distance for at Least the Next 15 Days - TheStreet
 
Trump, Wilbur Ross, Sen. Loeffler, and GOP groups are in the right investments you refer to, such as Big Pharma like Sanofi and Teva Israel that make hydroxychloroquine.

CT forum down the hall.
Make a hard left after the sign that points to liberal loonyville.
 
CT forum down the hall.
Make a hard left after the sign that points to liberal loonyville.

Loeffler was busted, caught red-handed. Maybe Fox News didn't tell you that yet.
 
... WH social distancing guidelines appear to be helping ...

Yeah, about as much as Trump's farts.

Sorry, Trump left it to the States to fight on their own. What's helping is that we have 97% of population on lock down at this point. Thanks to Governors and local officials. Not to WH.

Experts have been telling all of us, including the White House, since March 14th, that social distancing is vital to mitigate the spread of this virus. When did the White House finally come on board with the experts? Not for two whole weeks, March 30th.

They never did. Noone cares what WH says, while ignoring it themselves at those same press conferences. Trump is STILL neither locking down NOR encouraging any State still open to do so. It's the Governors and local officials that we have to thank for all the shut down businesses, venues, and stay-at-home orders. Some were faster than others. White House is with the dead last category.
 
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Yikes. Florida is already in the top 10 worst states for COVID-19 cases, has an older population, and had a poor government response. Stay safe down there!

I'm wearing a face covering, washing hands, and hunkering down away from people. Thanks. :mrgreen:
 
Yeah, about as much as Trump's farts.

Sorry, Trump left it to the States to fight on their own. What's helping is that we have 97% of population on lock down at this point. Thanks to Governors and local officials. Not to WH.

Leave it to the Right to rewrite history.
 
Um, no. MAR 16, 2020 4:40 PM EDT
"President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday urged the nation to follow social distancing for at least 15 days as part of the country's effort to halt the spread of the coronavirus pandemic."
And the above federal guideline was extended to 30 more days March 31st.

Trump Urges Americans to Social Distance for at Least the Next 15 Days - TheStreet

"The president urged Americans, especially younger people, to refrain from gathering in groups of more than 10 to help combat the spread of the coronavirus."

That is not what social distancing is!! Social distancing is keeping a distance of at least 6 feet from anyone. Social distancing is NOT meeting in groups.
 
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