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Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's crew

JANFU said:
Not sure who and what you are referring to??
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I do not name him. He does not deserve it and I can't say his name without getting angry. He was an air winger, and, he probably screwed any other pilot out of holding that position for a generation.
 
Grand Mal said:
He knew Trump was listening.
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Has he no pattern recognition skills? Nobody who has ever simpered for Trump has been rewarded for it. He just accepts that as his due.
 
year2late said:
So you were in a similar situation where you were (or your C0) was faced with either disobeying a command or watching as 1000s become very ill and face death?
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I'm not aware of any command to Crozier to classify medical information at a certain level, or not to make his chain of command aware of his concerns. As I've said repeatedly, if he did indeed violate security classification guidelines, that is indeed a big no-no, and I'm on record for a long time on the need to crack down on that across our government leadership.

But I haven't seen anyone demonstrate that he did so. Just people claiming it.


Like I said....I believe in the chain of command....and I think this guy likely did the wrong things for the right reasons. But, Modly acted like a dick.
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I can concur with the latter statement, and simply don't know if Crozier did the right thing (I haven't seen evidence it was the wrong thing), or what his reasons were.
 
VanceMack said:
cpwill said:
I've asked for folks before to show me that Crozier deliberately leaked this letter - given that it was sent over NIPR, that seems entirely discoverable - and so far, no one has. I agree, he definitely should not have done such a thing, I just haven't seen anyone provide evidence that he did so.
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End of discussion.
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Only if you have evidence which hitherto has not been forthcoming that it was Crozier himself who did indeed leak that letter.


What he did was showed the complement of sailors on that ship that if you dont like how things are being done, pull a Snowden.
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And do you have evidence that Crozier A) was the leaker and B) that his letter contained classified information?
 
cpwill said:
I do not name him. He does not deserve it and I can't say his name without getting angry. He was an air winger, and, he probably screwed any other pilot out of holding that position for a generation.
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OK- I can understand that anger and complete disgust with a person.

Amos. Had to double check and why - No arguments here. NONE
 
JANFU said:
OK- I can understand that anger and complete disgust with a person.

Amos. Had to double check and why - No arguments here. NONE
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My son was a marine, he hates that guy.
 
Every sailor in the fleet now knows the SECNAV does not give a damm about them
 
Lutherf said:
Everybody in the whole NAVY should have known that to be the case. The SecNAV had no business making such a public statement.
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I believe the Captain should have been relieved of his command., I also believe Modly mishandled it. 1- he has no ****ing business addressing the ships complement. 2- If he was smart he addresses the Chiefs and the Chiefs handle **** and its done.

When I was in Turkey we had a serviceman break his neck. We were flying combat support missions actively so it wasnt just a walk in the park when it happened. The incident was an accident...and it was a stupid accident...avoidable. The load crews were pretty upset about it because he was a good kid...everyone liked him...and he was recently married and a new father and now he was a paraplegic. Rather than letting the deployment commander and NCOIC handle it, the Unit commander felt compelled to fly to Incirlik and address everyone and when he did, he ****in reamed the crews for not doing a better job of looking out for each other and didnt all but...he actually blamed them for him hurting himself. We had to physically restrain several of the load crew from attacking the Unit Commander. Compounded low point.

Point being...nothing was really handled well. In either incident.
 
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JANFU said:
He made the right decision- lack of leadership and a plan to act, forced him

Old saying - Fail to plan, plan to fail.
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We don't know, and probably never will, what actions he'd taken before sending that letter. For instance, he had he direct superior on the ship with him. There offices are literally steps apart; did he discuss his concerns with the Admiral? If so what did the admiral do?
 
Hamish Howl said:
My son was a marine, he hates that guy.
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I had to dbl check as being older, memory is not always on. It confirmed my memory. That was a good thing
 
apdst said:
He's right. Crozier is stupid.
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That's just further proof that Modly is just another Trump toady in a long line of them. He apparently even talks in the same manner as Trump. It's also worth remembering that Modly became acting secretary after his predecessor, Richard Spencer, was fired by President Trump for dissenting from the White House efforts on behalf of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher, convicted of a war crime in Iraq for posing with a corpse. So war crimes good! No big deal! Engaging in a noble cause to protect and preserve the health and potentially the lives of the American men and women serving beneath you that unintentionally winds up embarrassing your superiors. Especially President Trump. Bad! I'm sure this will go far in encouraging other commanding officers to give honest straight direct assessments and reports as to the status of their own commands to their superiors in Washington. Not to mention how it may further to degrade the moral in the ranks. Also I would be less worried about our adversaries knowing that parts of our armed forces are being affected by the virus. As I'm sure theirs are being affected by it as well. But rather more concerned that they will see we are presently inclined to not do anything much about it.
 
cpwill said:
I'm not aware of any command to Crozier to classify medical information at a certain level, or not to make his chain of command aware of his concerns. As I've said repeatedly, if he did indeed violate security classification guidelines, that is indeed a big no-no, and I'm on record for a long time on the need to crack down on that across our government leadership.

But I haven't seen anyone demonstrate that he did so. Just people claiming it.




I can concur with the latter statement, and simply don't know if Crozier did the right thing (I haven't seen evidence it was the wrong thing), or what his reasons were.
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I don't know how Crozier's letter got to the press, I don't know what was in the letter and I don't know what transpired before the letter was sent but Modly's actions in putting the reprimand on the street leads me to believe that some folks in the White House need to be talking so some folks at the Pentagon who need get together and talk about how to move forward. This kind of **** is TOTALLY unacceptable.
 
Hamish Howl said:
They were certainly fatal to his career; the chain of command is more important than fairness.

And if he made it to captain in the navy, he knew that before he did it.
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Not only making captain but being selected to command a carrier. I believe CO's of carriers had to go through the Navy's nuclear power training just like ever other sailor and officer responsible for operating and maintaining a nuclear ship. The guy is a super star amongst navy captains.

Thing is only Hilary Clinton gets to ignore rules and regulations for handling classified information and some of the people that letter weren't cleared. :cool:
 
Atomic Kid said:
That's just further proof that Modly is just another Trump toady in a long line of them. He apparently even talks in the same manner as Trump. It's also worth remembering that Modly became acting secretary after his predecessor, Richard Spencer, was fired by President Trump for dissenting from the White House efforts on behalf of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher, convicted of a war crime in Iraq for posing with a corpse. So war crimes good! No big deal! Engaging in a noble cause to protect and preserve the health and potentially the lives of the American men and women serving beneath you that unintentionally winds up embarrassing your superiors. Especially President Trump. Bad! I'm sure this will go far in encouraging other commanding officers to give honest straight direct assessments and reports as to the status of their own commands to their superiors in Washington. Not to mention how it may further to degrade the moral in the ranks. Also I would be less worried about our adversaries knowing that parts of our armed forces are being affected by the virus. As I'm sure theirs are being affected by it as well. But rather more concerned that they will see we are presently inclined to not do anything much about it.
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You knew APDST was going to side with the suit.
 
Bullseye said:
Not only making captain but being selected to command a carrier. I believe CO's of carriers had to go through the Navy's nuclear power training just like ever other sailor and officer responsible for operating and maintaining a nuclear ship. The guy is a super star amongst navy captains.

Thing is only Hilary Clinton gets to ignore rules and regulations for handling classified information and some of the people that letter weren't cleared. :cool:
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I am sure he was aware of that.

I am not disputing his dismissal. He had to go and he would have known that before speaking.

My problem is with Modly, who is a prick.
 
cpwill said:
Only if you have evidence which hitherto has not been forthcoming that it was Crozier himself who did indeed leak that letter.




And do you have evidence that Crozier A) was the leaker and B) that his letter contained classified information?
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There was ample evidence that Crozier sent it outside the chain of command (again...even the democrats that are poutraged over this acknowledge that) and it doesnt matter if the information was classified, though disclosing information to the public about the mission capable status of the crew of one of our nations carriers is certainly at least Official and Restricted and could be considered Confidential and perhaps even Secret.
You know better. Not sure why you think playing these games is a 'winner' for you.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I am sure he was aware of that.

I am not disputing his dismissal. He had to go and he would have known that before speaking.

My problem is with Modly, who is a prick.
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Two valuable rules:
1. The boss may not always be right, but he'll always be the boss,
2. You don't have to be an asshole to be a boss, but it helps.
 
VanceMack said:
There was ample evidence that Crozier sent it outside the chain of command
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Excellent. Can you provide that evidence, or link to it?

it doesnt matter if the information was classified
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It matters very much if that information was classified. If it was classified, then it didn't belong on a NIPR system, and putting it there is a violation of law, and would be a good reason for Crozier to be dismissed.

Which is likely why people have repeatedly raised that claim (just as they have raised the claim that it was he who sent it to the papers). They just haven't actually supported it.
 
Another Acting Moronic Sycophant in the Acting Cabinet, trump’s bastardized syndicate.
 
cpwill said:
Excellent. Can you provide that evidence, or link to it?



It matters very much if that information was classified. If it was classified, then it didn't belong on a NIPR system, and putting it there is a violation of law, and would be a good reason for Crozier to be dismissed.

Which is likely why people have repeatedly raised that claim (just as they have raised the claim that it was he who sent it to the papers). They just haven't actually supported it.
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As to the classification question...that would be valid...if it was given as a reason. Its not and why he isnt being charged with anything.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I am sure he was aware of that.

I am not disputing his dismissal. He had to go and he would have known that before speaking.

My problem is with Modly, who is a prick.
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I agree with you.
Even today Trump condemned Modly's language as "rough" and he vowed to look into the matter.
 
trixare4kids said:
I agree with you.
Even today Trump condemned Modly's language as "rough" and he vowed to look into the matter.
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I don't want Trump or the Navy 'looking into the matter though. I want an independent investigative body to look into the matter
 
Atomic Kid said:
I don't want Trump or the Navy 'looking into the matter though. I want an independent investigative body to look into the matter
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What are they going to look into? Modly's rough language he used today? Lol!
 
Hamish Howl said:
You knew APDST was going to side with the suit.
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I'm going to side with the rules and regulations of the service. Any veteran that wouldn't is a piece of ****.
 
apdst said:
I'm going to side with the rules and regulations of the service. Any veteran that wouldn't is a piece of ****.
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Dude, you sided with the suit.

I haven't seen many people say he shouldn't have been relieved. He in fact HAD to be relieved...But the fact that you thought Modly was correct in what HE said shows that you probably never served.
 
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