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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not sure who and what you are referring to??
    I do not name him. He does not deserve it and I can't say his name without getting angry. He was an air winger, and, he probably screwed any other pilot out of holding that position for a generation.

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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

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    He knew Trump was listening.
    Has he no pattern recognition skills? Nobody who has ever simpered for Trump has been rewarded for it. He just accepts that as his due.
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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So you were in a similar situation where you were (or your C0) was faced with either disobeying a command or watching as 1000s become very ill and face death?
    I'm not aware of any command to Crozier to classify medical information at a certain level, or not to make his chain of command aware of his concerns. As I've said repeatedly, if he did indeed violate security classification guidelines, that is indeed a big no-no, and I'm on record for a long time on the need to crack down on that across our government leadership.

    But I haven't seen anyone demonstrate that he did so. Just people claiming it.


    Like I said....I believe in the chain of command....and I think this guy likely did the wrong things for the right reasons. But, Modly acted like a dick.
    I can concur with the latter statement, and simply don't know if Crozier did the right thing (I haven't seen evidence it was the wrong thing), or what his reasons were.

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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    I've asked for folks before to show me that Crozier deliberately leaked this letter - given that it was sent over NIPR, that seems entirely discoverable - and so far, no one has. I agree, he definitely should not have done such a thing, I just haven't seen anyone provide evidence that he did so.
    End of discussion.
    Only if you have evidence which hitherto has not been forthcoming that it was Crozier himself who did indeed leak that letter.


    What he did was showed the complement of sailors on that ship that if you dont like how things are being done, pull a Snowden.
    And do you have evidence that Crozier A) was the leaker and B) that his letter contained classified information?

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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I do not name him. He does not deserve it and I can't say his name without getting angry. He was an air winger, and, he probably screwed any other pilot out of holding that position for a generation.
    OK- I can understand that anger and complete disgust with a person.

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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    OK- I can understand that anger and complete disgust with a person.

    Amos. Had to double check and why - No arguments here. NONE
    My son was a marine, he hates that guy.
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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Every sailor in the fleet now knows the SECNAV does not give a damm about them

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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Everybody in the whole NAVY should have known that to be the case. The SecNAV had no business making such a public statement.
    I believe the Captain should have been relieved of his command., I also believe Modly mishandled it. 1- he has no ****ing business addressing the ships complement. 2- If he was smart he addresses the Chiefs and the Chiefs handle **** and its done.

    When I was in Turkey we had a serviceman break his neck. We were flying combat support missions actively so it wasnt just a walk in the park when it happened. The incident was an accident...and it was a stupid accident...avoidable. The load crews were pretty upset about it because he was a good kid...everyone liked him...and he was recently married and a new father and now he was a paraplegic. Rather than letting the deployment commander and NCOIC handle it, the Unit commander felt compelled to fly to Incirlik and address everyone and when he did, he ****in reamed the crews for not doing a better job of looking out for each other and didnt all but...he actually blamed them for him hurting himself. We had to physically restrain several of the load crew from attacking the Unit Commander. Compounded low point.

    Point being...nothing was really handled well. In either incident.
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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    He made the right decision- lack of leadership and a plan to act, forced him

    Old saying - Fail to plan, plan to fail.
    We don't know, and probably never will, what actions he'd taken before sending that letter. For instance, he had he direct superior on the ship with him. There offices are literally steps apart; did he discuss his concerns with the Admiral? If so what did the admiral do?
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    Re: Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's cr

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Howl View Post
    My son was a marine, he hates that guy.
    I had to dbl check as being older, memory is not always on. It confirmed my memory. That was a good thing
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