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Italian regions testing for signs of coronavirus immunity

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Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Italian regions testing for signs of coronavirus immunity - Reuters

Testing for immunity will eventually spread to all Italians
Immunity Certificates-
And the EU- US-Canada

PADUA, Italy (Reuters) - Authorities in northern Italy have begun testing health workers for antibodies that may help identify individuals with immunity to the coronavirus as they look for ways to ease the lock down imposed a month ago to contain the epidemic.

I can announce that the blood tests on health workers have begun,” said regional governor Luca Zaia.

Following an initial phase of testing on 2,000-3,000 health workers, tests are to be extended to staff and residents in nursing homes and workers in contact with the public.

Zaia said the aim would ultimately be to allow authorities to issue “licences” for individuals with proven immunity to the virus to return to work.

For those few I ask how will you react if they are mandatory in order to return to work- kids to school- company requires it and so on???
 
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Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Italian regions testing for signs of coronavirus immunity - Reuters

Testing for immunity will eventually spread to all Italians
Immunity Certificates-
And the EU- US-Canada



For those few I ask how will you react if they are mandatory in order to return to work- kids to school- company requires it and so on???
After what Italy's been through, I think it's a reasonable way to start the return to normalcy - with the emphasis on, "start".
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Italian regions testing for signs of coronavirus immunity - Reuters

Testing for immunity will eventually spread to all Italians
Immunity Certificates-
And the EU- US-Canada



For those few I ask how will you react if they are mandatory in order to return to work- kids to school- company requires it and so on???

Having a policy of issuing "return to work" licenses to those infected seems to run counter to encouraging the obeying of "stay at home" orders. If those who get infected (early) not only got any required medical care before the main rush was on, but get to return to work first as well, it seems to penalize those that took ample care to avoid getting infected at all.
 
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Having a policy of issuing "return to work" licenses to those infected seems to run counter to encouraging the obeying of "stay at home" orders. If those who get infected (early) not only got any required medical care before the main rush was on, but get to return to work first as well, it seems to penalize those that took ample care to avoid getting infected at all.
I can fully understand where you're coming from. But the reality is the virus determines Italy's future, not "fairness".
 
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After what Italy's been through, I think it's a reasonable way to start the return to normalcy - with the emphasis on, "start".

Yes, as I mentioned in an other thread.

I also support it being mandatory. All costs incurred by the Govt-Health plans- no copay's - no restrictions -everyone tested



taly has been chatting about Immunity Certificates, which clears those infected, have the anti bodies and can resume work

Questions arise over how long these antibodies are viable??

C19 is not going away. It has spread to every population. Fauci motioned it could result in seasonal outbreaks.

Possibly yes, but I see 1 large issue is literally clearing residents block by block.

Those that had it, cleared, those that did not stay at home. Massive mobilization of staff to test people- I have problems with people performing and doing their own tests- do not trust them to finagle with blond samples tests as mentioned in the link
Link for rapid at home testing
An at-home fingerprick blood test may help detect your exposure to coronavirus
 
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I can fully understand where you're coming from. But the reality is the virus determines Italy's future, not "fairness".

Law of the jungle? ;)
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Having a policy of issuing "return to work" licenses to those infected seems to run counter to encouraging the obeying of "stay at home" orders. If those who get infected (early) not only got any required medical care before the main rush was on, but get to return to work first as well, it seems to penalize those that took ample care to avoid getting infected at all.

Same thing at the States level - those that went into shutdown earlier will have be on shutdown longer thanks to other states that did not bother to shutdown until later... unless they close State borders...
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Having a policy of issuing "return to work" licenses to those infected seems to run counter to encouraging the obeying of "stay at home" orders. If those who get infected (early) not only got any required medical care before the main rush was on, but get to return to work first as well, it seems to penalize those that took ample care to avoid getting infected at all.

It also identifies those that are still at risk

It also prevents a second wave, that 2nd wave would come from others not under lock downs, or recently infected, no symptoms, travelers that are critical workers and not tested

Add in a substantial number were infected and had mild to moderate symptoms and have yet to be tested and are unaware they may have immunity as they have the anti bodies.

A good thing that C19 has NOT rapidly evolved.
 
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Same thing at the States level - those that went into shutdown earlier will have be on shutdown longer thanks to other states that did not bother to shutdown until later... unless they close State borders...

Are you assuming that your state will issue such "return to work" licenses as a reward for having survived COVID-19 infection? That would seem to be political suicide for those supporting such measures.
 
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Are you assuming that your state will issue such "return to work" licenses as a reward for having survived COVID-19 infection? That would seem to be political suicide for those supporting such measures.

I don't know what made you think this.

I was just pointing out that the unfairness you pointed out also applies to the States as well.
 
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Law of the jungle? ;)
Actually, yes. It's pure biology. We are biological beings (among other things).
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Actually, yes. It's pure biology. We are biological beings (among other things).

Such a policy is not "pure biology" it is rewarding those, by government fiat, who violated more strict adherence to "stay at home" or "social distancing" policy and got infected over those who obeyed them and thus successfully avoided exposure.
 
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You guys are so sensible. I miss hanging with my Canuck relatives. It's been too long since I've seen them.

Sadly it is not contagious- you always had it, thank your parents and friends & education/experience for that
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Are you assuming that your state will issue such "return to work" licenses as a reward for having survived COVID-19 infection? That would seem to be political suicide for those supporting such measures.

I don't see it as a "reward".

It is possible I already had it. Two possible "incidents" a horrid lung thing the first week of February and a sniffle five days after working a conference full of south Koreans later in the month.

So before any stay at home orders.

If I am immune, I personally would be happy to volunteer to help where my immunity would protect me. For free as long as my unemployment holds.

To help my fellow Americans in their time of crisis. I could safely deliver food to those at serious risk, for example, as I wouldn't pose an additional risk to them in the process.

That's another way of looking at it.
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Such a policy is not "pure biology" it is rewarding those, by government fiat, who violated more strict adherence to "stay at home" or "social distancing" policy and got infected over those who obeyed them and thus successfully avoided exposure.

A substantial number of infected include critical workers who can/have brought it home

This is about safe return to work, lowers infection rates, lessens the loads on Medical facilities - identifies those that are at risk.

Could they return to work?? Could be, but they would be aware on lacking anti bodies, company provides needed masks/gloves/sanitizers/ even areas to take a break separate from others(much like a nut allergy)


How many in a family have those with anti bodies- those with out? Informs people to take precautions

This will not be brought to heel easily and mass testing is required.
 
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I don't see it as a "reward".

It is possible I already had it. Two possible "incidents" a horrid lung thing the first week of February and a sniffle five days after working a conference full of south Koreans later in the month.

So before any stay at home orders.

If I am immune, I personally would be happy to volunteer to help where my immunity would protect me. For free as long as my unemployment holds.

To help my fellow Americans in their time of crisis. I could safely deliver food to those at serious risk, for example, as I wouldn't pose an additional risk to them in the process.

That's another way of looking at it.

Yep, if the test could determine when you were exposed. The point remains that those still at risk are being denied that chance to return to work (or do whatever else suits their fancy) and must remain at home while those exposed are no longer restricted. That confers a (legal?) benefit to having been exposed (auto vaccinated?) regardless of when or why not available to those who avoided infection.
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Italian regions testing for signs of coronavirus immunity - Reuters

Testing for immunity will eventually spread to all Italians
Immunity Certificates-
And the EU- US-Canada



For those few I ask how will you react if they are mandatory in order to return to work- kids to school- company requires it and so on???

I'll take the test and take the endorsement that I am COVID immune, of course.
But that doesn't mean I'll immediately return to sloppy interactions like there's no problem.
I'll maintain caution and prudence while I await further developments.

As it stands, I am eager to get a seratoligical test now, to confirm that I did HAVE COVID-19 to begin with.
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

A substantial number of infected include critical workers who can/have brought it home

This is about safe return to work, lowers infection rates, lessens the loads on Medical facilities - identifies those that are at risk.

Could they return to work?? Could be, but they would be aware on lacking anti bodies, company provides needed masks/gloves/sanitizers/ even areas to take a break separate from others(much like a nut allergy)


How many in a family have those with anti bodies- those with out? Informs people to take precautions

This will not be brought to heel easily and mass testing is required.

It also includes those who sold BigMacs through a drive up window, partied on Spring Break or simply went to the grocery store. In other words, drop the 'they could be heroes' nonsense. This is discrimination based on one's current COVID-19 status - pure and simple.
 
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I'll take the test and take the endorsement that I am COVID immune, of course.
But that doesn't mean I'll immediately return to sloppy interactions like there's no problem.
I'll maintain caution and prudence while I await further developments.

As it stands, I am eager to get a seratoligical test now, to confirm that I did HAVE COVID-19 to begin with.

When they roll out at the State levels, there would be followup for those that do not have the antibodies

I would hazard a guess that those that had C19, a number would be tested again to monitor antibodies - Guessing they weaken over time - Not sure- way outside of my knowledge
 
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It also includes those who sold BigMacs through a drive up window, partied on Spring Break or simply went to the grocery store. In other words, drop the 'they could be heroes' nonsense. This is discrimination based on one's current COVID-19 status - pure and simple.

C19 will have larger impacts upon the world than 911/Berlin Wall falling/Iraq-AStan Wars combined and multiplied ever did.

Many do not see this worldwide change coming
 
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C19 will have larger impacts upon the world than 911/Berlin Wall falling/Iraq-AStan Wars combined and multiplied ever did.

Many do not see this worldwide change coming

It's already here - we are now on course to easily double federal annual spending and have an annual federal "budget" deficit of more than our total annual federal revenue.

I get it that ??? lives were likely immediately (temporarily?) saved by taking that "very aggressive" federal 'recovery' action, but it remains to be seen what the longer term effects of that massive borrow and print spending spree, coupled with a private economy "pause", will bring upon us.

Remember that nobody knows how long this crisis mode response (war on COVID-19?) will last. The government started it and only the government can end it. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
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Yep, if the test could determine when you were exposed. The point remains that those still at risk are being denied that chance to return to work (or do whatever else suits their fancy) and must remain at home while those exposed are no longer restricted. That confers a (legal?) benefit to having been exposed (auto vaccinated?) regardless of when or why not available to those who avoided infection.

I think we have to make some adjustments to our worldview for the duration.

Try to look at this like we all get along and care for each other. Do the obvious things we need to do right now.

The "fairness" of the situation would seem to take a back seat to practicality in regards to the topic of conversation.

There are LOTS of people already exposed and therefore immune. 3 or four for every confirmed case or thereabouts.. So a million or more folks who can't get sick or get others sick. We could really use a million healthy people who pose no risk nor are at risk.

Maybe we could limit them to volunteer work they are assigned to if they choose to participate. Feed em, reimburse for travel if they need it. But no pay.

That way they aren't being rewarded, and those who didn't listen could pay a little penance.

I get your concern, and I agree with it. San Diego's concentrations are around North Park, most popular neighborhood in the country for a while not long ago. Three contiguous communities all in a row. Full of millenials and young professionals. Trendy bars and restaurants. High density.

I suspect this will be a trend. And I suspect it was the result of the false impression (that I had myself briefly) that it was only hitting the old and sick. So young folks thought they had nothing to worry about.

Turned out that interpretation of the numbers was wrong.

Which is why the early messaging was so dangerous. The whole "It's no big deal" message is and will continue to come back to bite us in the ass.

There's a fine line between driving and stampeding the herd. I absolutely get that.

But there wasn't even morning coffee and putting on of boots and saddling of horses until the ruslters were already in the herd.

Republicans or democrats. Both were too involved in their politics at the beginning. The difference is the rate at which they accepted the situation and acted on it.

I am a little pissed about the bald calculation between saving lives and protecting wall street that I saw. It was far too obvious that body counts were barely a consideration in some circles. The odor of the "worthless eater" attitude that I have seen personally was thick. Balancing lost customers against cheaper labor and how much small business market share and cheap residential real estate can be acquired.

If the herd just gets back to work and nature takes it's course. (After they all have ventilators for them and theirs all set up in the guest house, of course)

It's been like this for decades now. But it's usually not this obvious.
 
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Sadly it is not contagious- you always had it, thank your parents and friends & education/experience for that
Damn. Thanks, JANFU! :cheers:
 
Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

Damn. Thanks, JANFU! :cheers:

Based upon what I see.
 
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