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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

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    It also includes those who sold BigMacs through a drive up window, partied on Spring Break or simply went to the grocery store. In other words, drop the 'they could be heroes' nonsense. This is discrimination based on one's current COVID-19 status - pure and simple.
    C19 will have larger impacts upon the world than 911/Berlin Wall falling/Iraq-AStan Wars combined and multiplied ever did.

    Many do not see this worldwide change coming
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

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    C19 will have larger impacts upon the world than 911/Berlin Wall falling/Iraq-AStan Wars combined and multiplied ever did.

    Many do not see this worldwide change coming
    It's already here - we are now on course to easily double federal annual spending and have an annual federal "budget" deficit of more than our total annual federal revenue.

    I get it that ??? lives were likely immediately (temporarily?) saved by taking that "very aggressive" federal 'recovery' action, but it remains to be seen what the longer term effects of that massive borrow and print spending spree, coupled with a private economy "pause", will bring upon us.

    Remember that nobody knows how long this crisis mode response (war on COVID-19?) will last. The government started it and only the government can end it. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, if the test could determine when you were exposed. The point remains that those still at risk are being denied that chance to return to work (or do whatever else suits their fancy) and must remain at home while those exposed are no longer restricted. That confers a (legal?) benefit to having been exposed (auto vaccinated?) regardless of when or why not available to those who avoided infection.
    I think we have to make some adjustments to our worldview for the duration.

    Try to look at this like we all get along and care for each other. Do the obvious things we need to do right now.

    The "fairness" of the situation would seem to take a back seat to practicality in regards to the topic of conversation.

    There are LOTS of people already exposed and therefore immune. 3 or four for every confirmed case or thereabouts.. So a million or more folks who can't get sick or get others sick. We could really use a million healthy people who pose no risk nor are at risk.

    Maybe we could limit them to volunteer work they are assigned to if they choose to participate. Feed em, reimburse for travel if they need it. But no pay.

    That way they aren't being rewarded, and those who didn't listen could pay a little penance.

    I get your concern, and I agree with it. San Diego's concentrations are around North Park, most popular neighborhood in the country for a while not long ago. Three contiguous communities all in a row. Full of millenials and young professionals. Trendy bars and restaurants. High density.

    I suspect this will be a trend. And I suspect it was the result of the false impression (that I had myself briefly) that it was only hitting the old and sick. So young folks thought they had nothing to worry about.

    Turned out that interpretation of the numbers was wrong.

    Which is why the early messaging was so dangerous. The whole "It's no big deal" message is and will continue to come back to bite us in the ass.

    There's a fine line between driving and stampeding the herd. I absolutely get that.

    But there wasn't even morning coffee and putting on of boots and saddling of horses until the ruslters were already in the herd.

    Republicans or democrats. Both were too involved in their politics at the beginning. The difference is the rate at which they accepted the situation and acted on it.

    I am a little pissed about the bald calculation between saving lives and protecting wall street that I saw. It was far too obvious that body counts were barely a consideration in some circles. The odor of the "worthless eater" attitude that I have seen personally was thick. Balancing lost customers against cheaper labor and how much small business market share and cheap residential real estate can be acquired.

    If the herd just gets back to work and nature takes it's course. (After they all have ventilators for them and theirs all set up in the guest house, of course)

    It's been like this for decades now. But it's usually not this obvious.
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Sadly it is not contagious- you always had it, thank your parents and friends & education/experience for that
    Damn. Thanks, JANFU!
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Damn. Thanks, JANFU!
    Based upon what I see.
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It's already here - we are now on course to easily double federal annual spending and have an annual federal "budget" deficit of more than our total annual federal revenue.

    I get it that ??? lives were likely immediately (temporarily?) saved by taking that "very aggressive" federal 'recovery' action, but it remains to be seen what the longer term effects of that massive borrow and print spending spree, coupled with a private economy "pause", will bring upon us.

    Remember that nobody knows how long this crisis mode response (war on COVID-19?) will last. The government started it and only the government can end it. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
    We'll probably see some pause during the summer with a return in the fall. We are vulnerable until we have a vaccine or a really good antiviral or eventually achieve herd immunity.

    But barring a bad mutation were looking at a year and a half or so until the "crisis" phase it over, and it will probably be diminishing "waves" in the process.

    And you know what's an interesting thing to consider?

    Had we done a hard lockdown for a month in february while doing a blitz on getting testing capacity ramped up we could be actually in control right now as much as could be. We'd have stopped the spread cold. That's the math. It's here and its all over the world. The threat would still be there until we get vaccines. But surveillance testing and contact tracing could easily have kept it in check and further controls could be applied where needed and the rest could continue to keep the wheels rolling.

    It would have cost less. Much less. Lots of businesses that will go down now could have weathered a month.

    And imagine if the United States had kicked this **** in the ass and could have stood as a proud beacon for the world in a time of global crisis. How much economic advantage we would have.

    But there is no way we could have done that. Even with the kind of "Time to suck it up and do what Americans do best. Come together in a time of need" messaging that could easily be sold to most americans, too many would have openly rebelled against the idea. Would prefer the ugly "let nature take it's course" path to that temporary limitation of their liberty. And we'd just be where we are now, just a few months from now.

    It's something to think about.
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Based upon what I see.
    And the feeling's mutual.
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Such a policy is not "pure biology" it is rewarding those, by government fiat, who violated more strict adherence to "stay at home" or "social distancing" policy and got infected over those who obeyed them and thus successfully avoided exposure.
    The government does not get to chose this. The virus does. Unless you want to continue letting the economy further die while waiting for a vaccination.
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    When they roll out at the State levels, there would be followup for those that do not have the antibodies

    I would hazard a guess that those that had C19, a number would be tested again to monitor antibodies - Guessing they weaken over time - Not sure- way outside of my knowledge
    They say it's likely here to stay and will mutate away enough you can catch it again. They're not sure how long that'll be. But those already exposed will have partial immunity the next time. Our bodies will identify it quicker as they know what the original "looked" like. They won't fall for the "moustache" for long!
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    Re: Immunity Certificates- Italian regions testing for coronavirus immunity

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    The government does not get to chose this. The virus does. Unless you want to continue letting the economy further die while waiting for a vaccination.
    OK, but what are the many millions still at risk of COVID-19 infection supposed to do for the next 11 to 17 months? Do you expect them to stay at home, living on the dole, while they have been replaced at their former jobs/businesses?
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