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Boris Johnson in intensive care bed.

trixare4kids said:
No, this doesn't sound good, an unrelenting fever for over 10 days. Ouch!
Poor man. Best wishes for his recovery.
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John Prine is MUCH more medically compromised & 20 years older.

He came through fine, as the vast majority of sufferers have and will.

:)
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Don't think we've ever had this before - at present it would be a collective decision by Cabinet and different ministers would focus on different areas. Cabinet would collectively agree certain objectives under the organisation of the cabinet minister (currently Michael Gove) while the Conservative Party machine starts the election process for a new PM.

It's very unwieldy.
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Yes it is unwieldy! Especially considering Londoner's suffering with Hitler's V Buzz Bombs & the Blitzkrieg. I would think in modern countries we need a definitive & automatic line of succession.
 
Higgins86 said:
She’s a tough old girl
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I don't agree with Mr Johnson's politics. But this transcends politics. So I'll be pulling hard for him to make a full recovery. I do have a question for you however if you don't mind. I've noticed looking at the numbers here that while the UK has only about a third of the amount of total COVID-19 cases as the US it has nonetheless suffered nearly half the number of deaths. That seems pretty high a number. Is there something about the strain of virus there that's makes it more deadly? Or maybe does the UK mirror Italy somewhat in the number people that are 65, 70 or above? Or is it a numerical disparity that can possibly be attributed to testing glitches or whatnot?
 
3leftsdoo said:
John Prine is MUCH more medically compromised & 20 years older.

He came through fine, as the vast majority of sufferers have and will.

:)
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Survival figures for those admitted to intensive are more reliable than, for example, numbers infected or numbers dead; this is mainly because they will all have been tested. In every country survival rates for these patients are a bit over or under a half. Not, sadly, a "vast majority" or even a majority at all.
 
Sweden said:
Survival figures for those admitted to intensive are more reliable than, for example, numbers infected or numbers dead; this is mainly because they will all have been tested. In every country survival rates for these patients are a bit over or under a half. Not, sadly, a "vast majority" or even a majority at all.
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You're being much more specific in your parameters.

We're going to be fine, including Boris.
 
Atomic Kid said:
I don't agree with Mr Johnson's politics. But this transcends politics. So I'll be pulling hard for him to make a full recovery. I do have a question for you however if you don't mind. I've noticed looking at the numbers here that while the UK has only about a third of the amount of total COVID-19 cases as the US it has nonetheless suffered nearly half the number of deaths. That seems pretty high a number. Is there something about the strain of virus there that's makes it more deadly? Or maybe does the UK mirror Italy somewhat in the number people that are 65, 70 or above? Or is it a numerical disparity that can possibly be attributed to testing glitches or whatnot?
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Hopefully, good BJ pulls through. I really like BJ.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Errr... I was pretty much right. Dominic Raab is temporarily running things...
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You said Raab was being sworn in as PM, which is not true.
 
Aristaeus said:
You said Raab was being sworn in as PM, which is not true.
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Wrong... I did not say anything about Raab to you... and what I said was, "his vice whatever over there is being sworn in as PM perhaps... he went through that stuff fast.". Meaning, to anybody with common sense, that Johnson was not in complete charge... that they are changing things because of his situation.
 
Hate to here it. If he doesn't make it the effect upon the UK and the EU could be massive and decisive.

I see so many political and economic motives in this. Conservatism was racing across the EU and the USA. Suddenly, this years corona virus is such horror - 24/7 day after week after week - that the economy of the USA and Europe HAD to be slaughtered, tens of millions thrown by government decreases into unemployment, and the super rich making trillions and forever destroying tens of thousands of small business competitors - most of the 47% of retail sales that isn't online - for a death toll in the USA is slower than a typical flu season.

That's one way for the super rich - who want to stop tariffs and want the government to pay their employees medical care and to supplement their employees income, pay for college debts so their employees don't need the money etc, etc, etc.

With every other way to stop the conservative wave and rebellion against the status quo failing, along comes 24/7 terror and hate mongering by the entire info outlets the super rich totally control and own - all of the MSM, all of the press and the Internet.
 
3leftsdoo said:
You're being much more specific in your parameters.

We're going to be fine, including Boris.
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Even more specific: of those between 55 and 60 who are placed in intensive care 54% recover. So the odds are in Boris' favour - but only just.

I think Boris is exactly the PM that the UK needs right now, so I will share your optimism - as far as reality allows.
 
joko104 said:
Hate to here it. If he doesn't make it the effect upon the UK and the EU could be massive and decisive.

I see so many political and economic motives in this. Conservatism was racing across the EU and the USA. Suddenly, this years corona virus is such horror - 24/7 day after week after week - that the economy of the USA and Europe HAD to be slaughtered, tens of millions thrown by government decreases into unemployment, and the super rich making trillions and forever destroying tens of thousands of small business competitors - most of the 47% of retail sales that isn't online - for a death toll in the USA is slower than a typical flu season.

That's one way for the super rich - who want to stop tariffs and want the government to pay their employees medical care and to supplement their employees income, pay for college debts so their employees don't need the money etc, etc, etc.

With every other way to stop the conservative wave and rebellion against the status quo failing, along comes 24/7 terror and hate mongering by the entire info outlets the super rich totally control and own - all of the MSM, all of the press and the Internet.
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You write of the EU economy and even of the European economy. A mistake; there are dozens of different economies in Europe. Therein lies the fundamental flaw in the failed 'European Union' project. The pretence that the member states are one country does not make them so.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes it is unwieldy! Especially considering Londoner's suffering with Hitler's V Buzz Bombs & the Blitzkrieg. I would think in modern countries we need a definitive & automatic line of succession.
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This kind of situation is hopefully rare - however becoming and staying a Prime Minister is a combative process. Nobody would accept a stand in becoming an automatic shoe-in here. He or she has to prove themselves to their ordinary party members and then win over the Parliamentary party. We saw this with Jeremy Corbyn - the common party wanted him but the Parliamentary party didn't (I won't go into his past politics and decisions) so he was never convincing enough to the population at large. (Certainly not the fanatics behind his becoming leader of the Labour party.)

What we had in WW2 (to paraphrase history) was collective coalition cabinet with the Labour Leader also around the table - soon after the start of the war, Churchil came to power in a round about way as Neville Chamberlain would otherwise have taken us through the war. Chamberlain lost the support of his party after the failure of the Norway campaign and Churchill was put forward for his military past.

Things might have gone very differently for us if Chamberlain had an automatic deputy instead...

Bodhisattva said:
Wrong... I did not say anything about Raab to you... and what I said was, "his vice whatever over there is being sworn in as PM perhaps... he went through that stuff fast.". Meaning, to anybody with common sense, that Johnson was not in complete charge... that they are changing things because of his situation.
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Would have been clearer to not have mentioned "being sworn in." We have a complicated situation here - at some point even the Queen can get involved by asking someone to step forward to become PM. It won't happen this time as the last time it happened (Churchill's stroke / heart attack) in 1953 meant the Queen and her advisors looked at who she might appoint as a successor if he died.

This page will help.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/appointment-prime-ministers

At present - with hope Boris can return - Raab will deputise in limited circumstances and most of the key Coronavirus decisions have already been taken, set in stone.

Coronavirus: Who's in charge if a prime minister is incapacitated? - BBC News
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Would have been clearer to not have mentioned "being sworn in."
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That is the phrase that the reporter used...

We have a complicated situation here - at some point even the Queen can get involved by asking someone to step forward to become PM. It won't happen this time as the last time it happened (Churchill's stroke / heart attack) in 1953 meant the Queen and her advisors looked at who she might appoint as a successor if he died.

This page will help.

The appointment of prime ministers and the role of the Queen | The Institute for Government

At present - with hope Boris can return - Raab will deputise in limited circumstances and most of the key Coronavirus decisions have already been taken, set in stone.

Coronavirus: Who's in charge if a prime minister is incapacitated? - BBC News
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I am sure we are all hoping for the correct outcome.
 
Good news his persistent temperature is down since moving to ICU.
 
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